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    • #202825
      Anonymous
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      Be honest, is the Out of Africa theory true?

    • #202826
      Anonymous
      Guest

      You do realize there were the Homoerectus and the Neanderthals, including the cro magnon, yes? Yes it’s true but there’s a bigger story to it.

    • #202827
      Anonymous
      Guest

      yes, and it causes near-infinite amounts of seethe.

      • #202833
        Anonymous
        Guest

        A* is found in non-African populations with zero african admixture.

        • #202839
          Anonymous
          Guest

          You can’t be this dumb, right? Why do you think no other haplogroup is associated with SSA admixture, or any admixture at all despite all diverging from the same source?

        • #202843
          Anonymous
          Guest

          R1a is found in Cambodians with zero EHG admixture.

          • #202904
            Anonymous
            Guest

            good because R1a doesnt come from EHG.

            You can’t be this dumb, right? Why do you think no other haplogroup is associated with SSA admixture, or any admixture at all despite all diverging from the same source?

            first of all, ALL Africans have non-African or Eurasian admixture of some form.
            Secondly, A is associated with SSA because its sparse everywhere else.

            • #202922
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Wrong. Khoisans and Nilotes are the ones with haplogroup A and they don’t have Eurasian admixture.
              You’re talking about Africans with haplogroup E, which is Eurasian in origin.

              • #202944
                Anonymous
                Guest

                No, I am talking about Khoi and Nilotes, both feature A and B haplotypes and have trace amounts of non-African.
                It is very likely humans are not from South Africa or South East Africa, but somewhere more Northerly.
                The historical distribution of D haplotype, a very old one as well, is also in the Northern parts of Africa (outside of Asia).

                • #202950
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  Nilotes do have some Eurasian. Khois don’t.
                  There’s also pygmies, but they’re haplogroup B so…

      • #202892
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >muh hapagroups
        What is this incel shit?

      • #202918
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Only christcucks seethe about ooa. No one else cares. Besides, it’s not like the out of Africa groups were like modern subsaharans. The negroid phenotype doesn’t show up in the fossil record until like 20-30kybp

    • #202828
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >All fossil and genetic evidence points to it

      What do you think?

      • #202880
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >What do I think about anthropology and archaeology
        insufficient data. Every 20 years a new technology changes the narrative and it takes another 20 years for the old guard to die off and the new ideas to surface… which, by then, are already out of date.

        • #202883
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >insufficient data. Every 20 years a new technology changes the narrative and it takes another 20 years for the old guard to die off and the new ideas to surface… which, by then, are already out of date.

          The vast majority of evidence from the last 20 years has solidified that Homo sapiens evolved in Africa, and that you share a LCA with Africans around 60-80kya.

          • #202884
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >and that you share a LCA with Africans around 60-80kya.
            LCA is not the right term, in any case wouldn’t it be with a specific subset of Africans? Pigmies and Khoisan were already separated or at least a lot of their ancestry comes from lineages that separated far before then.
            I still don’t understand exactly how ancient African lineages were structured/related to each other but I believe that the African ancestry in Iberomaurusian and the Ethiopian Mota sample should be closer philogenetically to the Eurasian branch than other ones.
            (I wrote this comment but just notice the guy about you is talking about that)

            • #202906
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >in any case wouldn’t it be with a specific subset of Africans?

              Well, technically. The Africans closest to Eurasians when you exclude the Horners are (supposedly) the Hadza.

              Nope, older fossils are consistently being discovered from the Near East. It’s likely that while apes evolved in africa, hominids evolved in Asia and migrated back into africa along with everywhere else

              Yeah? Where? What older fossils of Homo sapiens exist before 315,000 years ago?

              • #202909
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >Hadza
                Why them? Aren’t they mixed?

                • #202911
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  https://hms.harvard.edu/news/long-awaited-landscape

                  >“They have a distinct appearance, language and genetics, and some people speculated that, like the Khoe-San, they might represent a very early diverging group from other African populations,” said Reich. “Our study shows that instead, they’re somehow in the middle of everything.”

                  >The Hadza, according to genomic comparisons, are today more closely related to non-Africans than to other Africans. The researchers hypothesize that the Hadza are direct descendants of the group that migrated out of Africa, and possibly spread within Africa as well, after about 50,000 years ago.

                  So the Hadza might be the original population of pre-Eurasians that stayed behind. Granted, they do have tiny bits of non-Hadza DNA, but for the most part, they’re homogenous.

                  • #202912
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    So in a sense, if they’re literally descended from the people who left Africa (but decided to stay, or come back), then this might be what these people looked like around 60,000 years ago.

                    • #202913
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      >then this might be what these people looked like around 60,000 years ago.

                      Most likely not. Phenotypse too change over time. Humans ad a lot more "robust" features back then. Think chad face vs onions face. We are the soys.

                  • #202915
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    So in a sense, if they’re literally descended from the people who left Africa (but decided to stay, or come back), then this might be what these people looked like around 60,000 years ago.

                    They dont look like early humans and dont fall into the chud delusion they do.
                    A lot of scrotebrains (black americans and liberal americans) believe that africans are ‘less evolved’ even if they dont overtly say it, thats the underlying presupposition when they say "we are all african".
                    The fact is 100% of Africans today are very different from early humans in and out of Africa.
                    Its taken for a given africans didnt undergo vast phenotypic changes during their time in Africa.
                    The world, africa too, underwent exceptional changes to its biome, and I cant imagine the homeland of humans somewhere between, Africa, Europe, and Asia Minor, is identical to what our ancestors saw and lived in, and developed as a result of.

                    Just as an example, the robust proto-Neanderthals were found in South Africa, yet South Africa, and Africa as a whole, doesnt have a climate that produces Neanderthal like hominids, but at some point in the past it did.

                    All of this to say, early humans likely did not resemble anyone alive today, maybe they did, but I find it unlikely, and furthermore, we are not all Africans, Africans are a specialized type adapted to a particular area of the world that has not always existed as it does now.

                  • #202916
                    Anonymous
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                    wait aren’t the hadza living in the oldest known human inhabited region?

                    huh didn’t expect them to be that new

        • #202910
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Every 20 years a new technology changes the narrative
          the most significant development in the last 100 years is modern gene sequencing which only developed in the last 20 or so years and has conclusively shown that all non-Africans have a recent single origin

      • #202895
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Yeah like 10 bones total. Do you actually follow paleoanthropology? Every 10 years one of the “big discoveries” from the last century is debunked. They don’t know shit. Trying to weave a narrative about the development of modern humans from the fossil record is like trying to tell the story of a film that you saw 4 half frames of. Even if you find out the exact minute of the film each frame came from you’re still missing over 99.99% of the movie which means your theory is 99.99% speculative

        • #202900
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Fuck off scrotebrain

    • #202829
      Anonymous
      Guest

      White racists desperately want it to be false because the "w-we are more evolved!" cope doesn’t work.

      • #202832
        Anonymous
        Guest

        How are whites not more evolved? White civilization is like a BBC compared to apefrica

        • #202868
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >the cherry-picking cope
          kek

          • #202919
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >cherry-picking
            >literally the only measure
            Ubungu not think so good

      • #202847
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Africa = Black
        this is your rotten brain in propaganda. The out of Africa theory is fake because it is, simple as. The only excuse why the theory even exists it to justify the "anti-racism" policy. But assuming that the theory is real, then it also implies that it happens millions of years ago meaning the racial division of today didnt exist back then and the division now only exists because of evolution which then makes things worse for blacks because it’s as if they barely evolved. So no matter how you see this it’s scrotebrains like you who look stupid. But the average npc doesnt have the intellect nor the time to think like this.

        • #202850
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Mutations can accrue really quickly under selective pressure. Various dog breeds were created in just hundreds of years. Whitoid mutations light blonde hair and blue eyes are supposed to have appeared recently, just tens of thousands of years ago.

          • #202881
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >Mutations under selective pressure
            JFC you people are scrotebrained. Mutations are cosmic, not terrestrial in origin.

        • #202953
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Americans have been brainwashed to think Africa is black and Asia is yellow for two whole centuries

      • #202886
        Anonymous
        Guest

        More like scrotes coping with "ghost Africans ain’t real mang, we wuz da real mitochondrial eve an sheeeit gnomesayin"

      • #202887
        Anonymous
        Guest

        are we not better evolved in intelligence and civilization building?

        • #202955
          Anonymous
          Guest

          No. garden gnomes and Chinks have you beat in intelligence
          >inb4: "THEY RIGGED IT"

          • #202958
            Anonymous
            Guest

            And? Still better than sub Saharans, intelligence is not equal it’s both heavily genetic with ainor application of nuture

            • #202959
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Subsaharans are equal to Balkanites in terms of IQ.

      • #202890
        Anonymous
        Guest

        The entirety of the last 60 years in the social sciences was a revolt against Darwin and Sociobiology, and has been destroy by modern behavioural genetics and quantitative behavioural science.

      • #202896
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Out of Africa theory actually implied that we are more evolved. Asians and Europeans had to evolve more complex brains to cope with more diverse environments and new challenges while the Africans just stagnated.

        • #202901
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Someone who suffered American education typed this post

          • #202902
            Anonymous
            Guest

            American education would never teach that.

    • #202830
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >be honest
      As if I’d have a clue. Idk let the samples talk, my guess? Not necessarily, I guess we’ll see.

    • #202831
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Ok, enough gnomish pilpul, release the ancient Aryan ayys

      • #202835
        Anonymous
        Guest

        yea but i think everyone immigrated fairly early

        schizophrenic language….

      • #202952
        Anonymous
        Guest

        ayys

        eurotards on suicide watch

    • #202834
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Well *my* social worldview is woke af on where the first fish walked on land in Pangaea

    • #202836
      Anonymous
      Guest

      It’s not true because I hate scrotes.

    • #202837
      White nationalist 1488
      Guest

      Laughing out loud, Humans spread out of Africa, scrotes stayed there, laughing my ass off, *laughingcrying emoji*

    • #202838
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Why did so many humans decide to leave Africa?

      • #202865
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >so many
        It was very few actually, they just bred more given they had more resources.

      • #202876
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Unoccupied space?

    • #202840
      A. Wyatt Mann
      Guest

      […]

      This is the only correct answer

    • #202841
      Anonymous
      Guest

      There’s denisovans and other things, the out of Africa hypothesis is only vaguely correct

      • #202855
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >I don’t know what OOA even is yet I’m going to give my shitty opinion about it anyways

        • #202857
          Anonymous
          Guest

          He’s right though, why should the origin of Homo Sapiens necessarily be in Africa and not somewhere else?

          • #202858
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >I don’t know what OOA even is yet I’m confident enough to double down in my ignorance

            • #202859
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >not an argument
              Ok enlighten me then Mr. Smart Guy, what is OOA if not the emergence of anatomically modern Homo Sapiens in Africa? Why couldn’t ypipo have come from Europe or somewhere else?

              • #202861
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Read scrote, google it.

                • #202862
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  I did. How does it differ from what I said?

                  • #202863
                    Anonymous
                    Guest

                    You’re conveniently excluding some parts scrote, read it whole again.

                    • #202866
                      Anonymous
                      Guest

                      Like what?

          • #202878
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Because the evidence points towards that, it’s not a matter of personal choice.
            I’m not sure why OOA is so contentious, it’s true that there were other homos and many holes in knowledge but it doesn’t bother me to know that I’m probably descended from africans in the same way it doesn’t bother me that I’m descended from even lesser apes.
            I think this fear stems from the common misinterpretation of evolution, thinking that current africans are as exactly as the early homo sapiens, when in reality they’re as descended from them as anyone else alive and had their own genetic trees.
            In fact OOA, the migration and breeding history of the ones that explored the world are good arguments in favor of one’s superiority to current africans.

    • #202844
      Anonymous
      Guest

      If I was in the middle east I’d get the fuck out too.

    • #202845
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Yes

    • #202846
      Anonymous
      Guest

      It’s true because the first Homo sapiens arose in Africa, but any attempts to politicize it ("You shouldn’t be racist because you wuz an African all along" and such) are going full scrotebrain, it was so long ago it shouldn’t matter in the slightest to current human society.

    • #202848
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Sure, but I don’t get why you care about it. Is it because of muh we all are Africans people? Because it’s only true in origin, but difference is that some remained in Africa while others (your ancestors) left.

      • #202853
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >some (his ancestors) remained in Africa while others left
        ftfy

        • #202854
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Yeah, but the point is that there is a difference between you and some African (because I assume this shit matter mostly because of politics – to allow refugees and migrants because muh we all from Africa), made by the fact itself that some of your ancestors left Africa.

          • #202885
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Man I was just calling OP a scrote.

      • #202872
        Anonymous
        Guest

        This really, objecting to OoA for non-factual reasons is just silly. Like what’s wrong, does it trigger people than some of their ancestors might have been walking around Africa 200k years ago? Does it blow their mind that fellow human-looking primates could be distantly related to them? Ridiculous.

    • #202849
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Wait… so you’re saying all of humanity emerged from a Garden of Eden?

    • #202851
      Anonymous
      Guest

      we came from noahs ark and spread from Anatolia into Africa, Europe and India

    • #202852
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >humans are closely related to chimpanzees and gorillas
      >chimpanzees and gorillas live in africa
      How can Out of Africa not be true?

    • #202860
      Anonymous
      Guest

      nope
      we’re LEAF

    • #202864
      Anonymous
      Guest

      If you expect true and falso dichotomy, then you are interested in the wrong subject

      If you want to know what’s most likely, just consider the evidence

    • #202867
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Did the ancestors of Eurasians(and all other non-Africans) migrate out of Africa before or after the Toba eruptions?

    • #202873
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Not solid but it’s the most solid theory by now.

    • #202877
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Common sense point that some of you don’t seem to get:
      Evolution never stops. Populations that remained in Africa kept accruing mutations and selecting for and against them just like those that left Africa, and there were back migrations into Africa as well.

      • #202879
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >and there were back migrations into Africa as well.
        Afro-centrists are seriously opposed to this, kek

    • #202882
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Yes, Homo sapiens evolved in Africa, however modern day black people of West and East African descent (excluding Horners) are a lot younger than you think.

      https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/930860#.YWK9UfEywhI.twitter

      Other Black African groups, like the Khoisan, Pygmies, and smaller various hunter-gatherers are SIGNIFICANTLY older. Africa was once home to not only archaic species, but archaic Homo sapiens as well, with many different subspecies running around. Homo sapiens sapiens is the last subspecies of Homo sapiens left, either evolving naturally or being the end result of all of these radically different populations absorbing each other.
      https://www.nicklongrich.com/blog/almost-human-who-were-the-primitive-homo-sapiens-who-lived-alongside-us

      I highly suggest you guys learn about archaic Homo sapiens.

    • #202888
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The garden of Eden wasn’t in Africa.

      • #202903
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Africa was even a continent back then

    • #202889
      Anonymous
      Guest

      In the sense that "humans" migrated out of Africa, no. Behaviourally modern humans only come far later so Out of Africa as it’s currently spoken about is complete nonsense. Massive human neoteny and self-domestication has only occurred recently.

      • #202891
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Behavioral modernity is hundreds of thousands of years old.

        • #202926
          Anonymous
          Guest

          No it isn’t. Massive neotenization is very recent.

          • #202928
            Anonymous
            Guest

            And conflating behavioural modernity with anatomically modern humans is unfathomably scrotebrained. AMH is a freaking scrotebrained term also. The entire OOA hoax is ridiculous.

      • #202893
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Dude you’re lost, go read a book

        • #202927
          Anonymous
          Guest

          0 arguments.

          • #202930
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >say dumb shit
            >get called on it
            >n-no arguments
            you’re a bag full of waste of time scrote

            • #202932
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Still 0 arguments. OOA is a hoax.

    • #202894
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Nope, older fossils are consistently being discovered from the Near East. It’s likely that while apes evolved in africa, hominids evolved in Asia and migrated back into africa along with everywhere else

      • #202898
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Out of Africa will be abolished in the coming Chinese century when the chinks “discover” the original humans magically originated in China and no western scientists will be allowed to inspect the fossils except a select group of coopted servants of the CCP.

      • #202917
        Anonymous
        Guest

        apes evolved in southeast asia… they migrated to africa and became hominids while chafing hard as chimps and gorillas

    • #202897
      Anonymous
      Guest

      No the oldest human wasn’t even found in Africa now

    • #202905
      Anonymous
      Guest

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petralona_cave
      its more complicated that that

      • #202908
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petralona_cave

        The Petralona skull either belongs to Homo "heidelbergensis" (if Heidelbergensis isn’t actually just a proto-Neanderthal), or Homo erectus. What does this have to do with Homo sapiens?

    • #202907
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Yes

    • #202929
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Pretty Much, the genetic diversity found within the African continent between groups of people pretty much dwarve that of the differences in the rest of the world. The founder population of a species always has more genetitoc diversely than other populations due to the genetic bottlenecks that come with adapting to other environment. You have the Khoi-San Hadza, and Pygymys in Africa m, groups older than any know dated group of our species. Africa’s somewhat of a good petri dish, which preserved many distinct genetic samples due to its relatively low population density up until recently, meaning that more groups stayed isolated from each other than any other continent.

      • #202931
        Anonymous
        Guest

        No not really, the particular humans in Africa were not fully human, denisovans seeded the Eurasian population

        • #202934
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >No not really, the particular humans in Africa were not fully human

          freaking Homo habilis was "fully human", Homo sapiens around 300kya was definitely human at that point. Now, modern behaviors tend to go back to around 125kya in our species, but it’s entirely possible that modern behaviors began even earlier.

      • #202935
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >Africa’s somewhat of a good petri dish, which preserved many distinct genetic samples due to its relatively low population density up until recently, meaning that more groups stayed isolated from each other than any other continent.

        This. After all, archaic Homo sapiens continued to exist in Africa until at least 13,000 years ago, with Iwo Eleru found in Nigeria.

        No not really, the particular humans in Africa were not fully human, denisovans seeded the Eurasian population

        Still 0 arguments. OOA is a hoax.

        Modern humans did not come from Africa so the point is irrelevant.

        Are you Chinese? Because I’m starting to notice a trend of obvious Denisovan-esque skulls (from what we know of their DNA) being called "Homo sapiens", when Denisovans were closer to Neanderthals than us, and just so happened to have a flat face like us, but with massive brow ridges and no chins like Neanderthals (assuming the Middle Pleistocene Chinese hominins like H. longi are indeed Denisovans, which is quite likely).

    • #202947
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >homo sapiens supposedly spread out 100,000 years ago
      >Coincidentally, civilization everywhere across the globe universally began only in the last few thousand years, across all the continents

      hmmmmmmmmmmm

    • #202960
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Modern man originated in Africa and race isn’t biologically real. Chuds will hate this but it cannot be argued

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