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    • #205845
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      Are video games art?

    • #205846
      Anonymous
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      Obviously, just consider the sheer amount of music, paintings, design etc. that goes into making a game.

    • #205847
      Anonymous
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      >I think once you’ve read a book and had it "click" once you’ve been "immersed" as they like to say, something important inside you dies forever
      >some part of you deep inside will always think that you could live in a world of pure abstraction, compare the world to it. schizophrenia sorta

    • #205848
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      They’re a mixed-media project, so technically they are art before you begin talking about the quality or meaning/message/etc. Sadly none of them truly take the "artform" to its peak yet. Too much focus on any one specific aspect (right now the obsession is graphics), when in reality the actual "art" in games would come from all the elements put together: mechanics, music/sound effects, controller fluidity, graphical fidelity/readability of HUD, etc. All of those elements combined is what makes games art. If you skimp out on most parts, you’re ultimately making very hollow and shallow art. Is it still art? Yes. Could it be better? Abso-freaking-lutely yes it can. Don’t let scrotes tell you games aren’t art. But they have yet to achieve any of their potential.

      • #205858
        Anonymous
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        Movies with a soundtrack are mixed-media as well
        Same with books with pictures or even music with lyrics

      • #205866
        Anonymous
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        >Sadly none of them truly take the "artform" to its peak yet.
        Smaller japanese companies do, and have done since 80s computer games.
        >Too much focus on any one specific aspect (right now the obsession is graphics)
        This is intentionally forced by large corporations because the people with the most money have the fastest access to the technology. By making people see graphics as a selling point, they don’t have to compete with actual soul, they just have to have the most resources. Ensures their monopoly on the entertainment industry. Nothing is ours.

      • #205887
        Anonymous
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        >But they have yet to achieve any of their potential.
        I beg to differ.

    • #205849
      Anonymous
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      Correct

    • #205850
      Anonymous
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      VR says hi, scrote OP

      • #205851
        Anonymous
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        Am I supposed to know what that is?

        • #205853
          Anonymous
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          Virtual Reality, the notion that you strap a helmet to your face and you get inmersed in the game more than you would with a 2d screen.
          Naturally, you see and act with your arms in the game, giving this extra bit of inmersion, plus the work of the lenses also helps a lot making you believe it.

          Of course, a modern and developed brain can remember he is in a virtual reality. So it’s just another form of videogame.

          Curiously, it is a good medium for art, with programs designed so you can, for example, create paintings, sculptures and other works of art for all to examine in their glorious simulated reality.

          • #205868
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            I have a 3060 and a quest 2 and right now the resolutions and fov aren’t there yet. The stereoscopic images are lower resolution than a 4k television display inch for inch even on a premium set like the index. I can play fallout 4 or whatever in vr but it is still just a novelty. My 4k tv that I use as a monitor has better image quality. The issue of motion sickness is also very real and hopping around ruins immersion. If I play walking dead for more than an hour I get sick. When video cards can actually render 10k video and the displays are 5k per eye with good hdr and 144hz+ it will be a different story. I would still say it is cool to dip a toe into vr for 300 bucks. The other issue with steam compatibility is the tracking. Even if you spent the 3000 dollars on a 3080ti plus the index the games themselves are severely reduced in quality for the standard user who would have a 1060 or a 2060 still.

            • #205883
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              >I have a 3060 and a quest 2 and right now the resolutions and fov aren’t there yet.
              They’re decent enough for me. I see it clearly enough. Fov maybe, but res is defo fine.

              >motion sickness
              Happened to me at first, the only game that still does to me is Sairento.
              ———–

              Honestly? The Quest 2 is fine for me, as a standalone even, I regret having purchased vr games for pc, I’m glad I’m playing them, but I suspect the best version of my life story would be to Alestorm the Quest 2 and sideload everything and keep it as an offline machine. And it would be amazing, defo fits the bill for me and I’m not squeamish with low res textures, since I come from the days of Quake and Toh Shin Den when it comes to 3d.

              • #205895
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                I think the problem is I went to 4k. The quest 2 was a pleasure before I switched back to a 4k 43" tv and now it seems pointless. Before I built this low/mid range amd 3600/gtx3060 I was using a freaking 2012 thinkpad 420s for a year playing mount and blade warband on medium. Now I can’t even look at 1080p text anymore.

    • #205852
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      Don’t know and honestly its not important for something like vidya to be art since it should be for enjoyment first, which is why games that try to be art or "deep" tend to be boring as shit

    • #205854
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      Interactive art; but it really transcends art, such as when a game has pure strategic/tactical elements.

      However 95% of videogames are crap.

      • #205855
        Anonymous
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        >However 95% of videogames are crap.
        Just like every other piece of media

      • #205899
        Anonymous
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        yeah pretty much
        video games can be art just like oil on canvas can be art. Anyone can throw oil on a canvas but it doesn’t make them an artist.

    • #205856
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      For zoomers yeah I guess art is just porn for the senses anyway

    • #205857
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      It depends

      Games such as pong aren’t art the same as tennis.
      The gameplay is merely technique.

      Art is a medium of meaning.

      Adding a story, a mise-en-scene and a soundtrack would add meaning to the gameplay which would be used to consolidate these together into an interactive art piece.
      They’re mainly entertainment, yes, but so are books and movies.

      Games acting like good art would adjust the way you play to influence how you feel.

      • #205862
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        Pong is art as it is an abstract representation of a real-world activity, tennis (if someone painted an abstract picture of a tennis game, that would also be considered art). It’s not a very high level of art, but it is art nonetheless.

    • #205859
      Anonymous
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      >has story
      >has music
      >has paintings
      >has sculpting
      >has choreography
      >has cinematography
      >somehow not art

      • #205869
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        The issue is the 2nd person perspective ruins it. The player feasibly can just do nothing or find a breaking glitch or miss entire components entirely while film is the intended narrative every single time. The other issue is to make it fun, this is where the mechanics go to tool like. Would the craftsman who builds a basketball court be considered an artist? And cut scenes are just video. I’m just saying the obvious. Nobody considers choose your own adventures or playing dungeons and dragons or magic to be art even if there is art on the cards or table.

        • #205871
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          >The player feasibly can just do nothing or find a breaking glitch or miss entire components entirely while film is the intended narrative every single time.
          The film may have multiple interpretations or ideas that some people just don’t get. An even better example is paintings, not everyone will be fixated on the same detail of one. Same applies to music. Most games also have mandatory sections and those may contain the most important statements from the developers, the rest being bonus content for those interested.

          • #205880
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            There is still finite runtime and size. The second person nature of videogames and fetch questing will always limit it behind other mediums. Is it art? Sure. Is it good? No.

            • #205881
              Anonymous
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              Can’t it make up for those limits with other capabilities though? A world to explore freely could be seen as a giant sculpture, and making decisions yourself could give you more attachment to the story. Sure you’re missing out on character a bit, but each art form has its limitations.

        • #205884
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          aren’t they though? if storytelling is an art form then some kind of collaborative improv storytelling like dnd would be to, right?

          • #205896
            Anonymous
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            I think the mechanics and dice keep it from being so. Although that Canadian Malazan guy wrote his entire series woke af on d&d sessions.

    • #205860
      Anonymous
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      By definition, every human creation that is not a utilitarian tool is art. You scribbling nonsense shapes in your school notebook is art. The dick drawing someone spraypainted on a toilet wall is art.

      Therefore, video games are 100% art.

      The only question is, are they high art? 99+% of them are not, in fact they are utter drivel. But it is not saying much since the vast majority of film, music, poetry and painting published is also complete shit, yet no one denies that those forms of creation are art.

      Some good story-driven games like Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream or Pathologic easily have as much artistic value as a good film or short story.

    • #205861
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      a world of pure abstraction would get boring, it would be like a kind of purgatory or hell, it is probably a gift that we live in a universe too unfathomably complex for our minds to ever understand

    • #205863
      Anonymous
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      Video games are an artistic medium, just like animation, film, literature, etc…
      There are shit books and good books, shit music and good music, shit movies and good movies, and thus also shit games and good games.

      Skyrim is not art, Morrowind is. Etc…

    • #205864
      Anonymous
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      Anything made with creative intent is art
      Art is not a statement of quality

    • #205865
      Anonymous
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      Who’s OP quoting?

      • #205873
        Anonymous
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        Some Twitter thread

    • #205867
      Anonymous
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      its more like a combination of arts, music, sound design, voice acting, animation etc.

      • #205901
        Anonymous
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        >a combination of arts, music, sound design, voice acting, animation

        So, like film?

    • #205870
      Anonymous
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      Video games are a medium, like film or painting. They can be used to create media that is considered art and media that can be considered something else.

    • #205872
      Anonymous
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      Most art is shit, especially today.
      So yes, video games are art.

    • #205874
      Anonymous
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      What is art?

    • #205875
      Anonymous
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      Possibly, just very, very rarely.

    • #205876
      Anonymous
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      Smearing shit over a wall is considered art so yes. Games can be trash art or good art just like everything else.

    • #205877
      Anonymous
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      Yes. People need to realize that just because something is art doesn’t mean it’s good. Art can be shitty.

    • #205878
      Anonymous
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      I know that immersion and it only comes rarely to me, I think the most vivid instance was me being lost in a heavily modded skyrim forest hunting animals, things lined up just right and it was a dreamlike experience, as if I was right there in the world.
      I have been wondering if everyone has those moments, I have a family history of schizophrenia and I have traits leaning towards mania but it’s not severe.

    • #205879
      Anonymous
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      Most games are soulless corporate-managed skinner-boxes with little regard for artistic merit and creativity.
      I think games like Bloodborne still manage to break its circumstances and elevate itself as something artistic that can’t translate to other mediums.
      So I would say, yes, games can be art but it’s too early for it to be taken seriously as an artform and also most video gamers are subhumans.

    • #205882
      Anonymous
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      >video games are art because.. .well, THEY JUST ARE OKAY!!!

      • #205885
        Anonymous
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        Yes.

    • #205886
      Anonymous
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      When people argue if games are or are not art, they make up a definition of art that either excludes things that have been considered art for centuries or broaden it so much that a child’s lemonade stand could be considered art.

      Truth is people who care about "art" are just too stuck-up to just say "i like this"

      • #205888
        Anonymous
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        You smearing shit on a canvas isn’t art, calling people stuck up for not believing your garden gnome lies isn’t an argument.

        • #205892
          Anonymous
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          alright then garden gnome, enjoy your $1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 paintings then

          • #205893
            Anonymous
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            >if you don’t like cultural marxist "art" then you support money laundering via museums
            meds schizo garden gnome

    • #205889
      Anonymous
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      They can be, provided they’re made with the intention of being art.
      Just like with movies. You can have great
      You wouldn’t call Fast and Furious franchise art, but you wouldn’t discredit films/movies as an artform because of it.

    • #205890
      Anonymous
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      Video games have art in them (visual, audio, etc.) but the jury is still out if playing a game can be art.

    • #205891
      Anonymous
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      I think this issue is actually going to be decided over copyright law when it comes to places like YouTube where people film themselves playing games. The people on Youtube argue that playing a game represents a unique artistic expression using the game as a medium, and the companies argue that they are stealing the art that they created in the game.

    • #205897
      Anonymous
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      After listening to countless hours of boomers compare everything to football, I can say that’s full of shit.

    • #205898
      Anonymous
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      Absolutely yes

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