Apple’s $9 USB to 3.5mm dongle outperforms DACs worth thousands

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    • #78130
      Anonymous
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      Apple’s USB to 3.5mm dongle
      Costs $9
      Outperforms the vast majority of "audiophile" DACs and sound cards
      Even ones that cost thousands of dollars

      How?

    • #78131
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I use this for my speakers, better than my shitty mobo for sure.

    • #78132
      Anonymous
      Guest

      100db SINAD

      • #78134
        Anonymous
        Guest

        This may be hard to believe but some of us aren’t sound engineers. What am I looking at?

        • #78135
          Anonymous
          Guest

          In layman’s terms: if you were to listen to something at 100db (very loud), the noise floor on this dongle is -100db below that so 0db i.e. inaudible.

          The theoretical limit of human hearing is -115db but that’s never gonna happen, practically it’s around 85db in ideal conditions and 80db with music playing.

          Basically the $9 Apple dongle is beyond the practical limits of human hearing.

      • #78146
        Anonymous
        Guest

        How does it compare to the built-in audio output for Macs?

        • #78149
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Most motherboards are in the 75-80db mark I think

          • #78155
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Maybe budget boards from 15 years ago

            • #78157
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Nah
              They fucking gimp audio if you dare ask for a fair priced board nowadays
              MSI Z490-a pro has more problematic audio than some cheap crystal audio codac from 20 years ago

        • #78161
          Anonymous
          Guest

          It is indeed very good. The only problem is that it’s a bit fragile.

          Macs and iPhones have very good onboard audio usually, so I’d expect it to be about the same.

          Is this anon right? Can no one blow him the fuck out? Are you all liars trying to trick me into wasting $9?

          No, he’s a retard. The frequency response is fine. Just look at the measurements.

          >Outperforms most audiophile DACs.
          Are you an idiot?

          It doesn’t outperform them in measurements maybe, but it’s just as good in practice. Beyond a certain point there is no difference between sound cards, except if you have demanding headphones that need lots of power.

          • #78163
            Anonymous
            Guest

            If you want melanoidbass then you dont want a flat curve anyway

            >can’t even properly provide low frequencies to studio monitors
            >dude the bass is fine
            Yeah sure, mouth breathing dipshit

          • #78174
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >It doesn’t outperform them in measurements
            So it’s worse? You’re comparing a Civic to a Ferrari. They work the same in principle but they are vastly different and serve very different markets. The only difference is audiophile gear is usually overbuilt and more reliable unlike a Ferrari.

            • #78176
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >So it’s worse?
              If it sounds the same to human ears, is it worse?

              >You’re comparing a Civic to a Ferrari …
              Get your head out of your ass, man. I’m sorry that you fell for memes and wasted money for no reason, but we’re all anonymous here bro, no need to cope so hard.

              • #78197
                Anonymous
                Guest

                I should have clarified. I’m not an audiophile nor do I own any audio equipment beyond some cheap ($35) Samson headphones. I think audiophile stuff is just as stupid as a Ferrari and suffers from extreme diminishing returns.

                All that being said I have tried both an entry level DAC (~$60) and the headphone dongle. I can attest there is a difference in the experience. A dedicated DAC is considerably more clear and makes a pretty big difference in sound quality.

      • #78152
        Anonymous
        Guest

        These THD levels are crazy low.

      • #78215
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Holy shit. This is amazing. I’m so hard right now.

      • #78248
        Anonymous
        Guest

        OMFG. I almost creamed my underwear whence I gazed upon this image in full resolution. Fortunately I was able to calm myself…

      • #78265
        Anonymous
        Guest

        A high SNR/SINAD is easy to achieve if your DAC can’t even pump out decent voltage/power.

      • #78269
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Why is it creating harmonics roflmao

        • #78299
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Everything creates harmonics, retard.

        • #78301
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Most likely noise created by the limited bitwidth of the sine wave ie 16 bits.

      • #78298
        Anonymous
        Guest

        uh are you sure thats the USB-C version, the usb-c was worse than the lightning one iirc

    • #78133
      Anonymous
      Guest

      1 – it probably doesn’t
      2 – its not a dac, its a simple adapter since usb-c support analog audio i/o, so the dac itself is on the iphones/ipads

      • #78136
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Apple’s dongle is an actual DAC

        • #78138
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Apple USB-C Digital to 3.5 mm Headphone Adapter Teardown


          The CS46L06 isn’t publicly documented, but if it looks like a DAC, quacks like a DAC and has a product number similar to Cirrus’ other DACs…

          hmm cool. Is the lightning to 3.5mm the same?

          • #78141
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Yes. It’s not the same chip but there’s a DAC in the old adapter as well. Lightning is not designed for analog audio.

            • #78144
              Anonymous
              Guest

              This is the chip on the lighting adapter
              Another custom Apple part but still is a DAC as far as anyone can tell

              nice

          • #78142
            Anonymous
            Guest

            This is the chip on the lighting adapter
            Another custom Apple part but still is a DAC as far as anyone can tell

      • #78137
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Apple USB-C Digital to 3.5 mm Headphone Adapter Teardown


        The CS46L06 isn’t publicly documented, but if it looks like a DAC, quacks like a DAC and has a product number similar to Cirrus’ other DACs…

        • #78139
          Anonymous
          Guest

          I stand corrected then

          • #78147
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Yes, you sure AF have been corrected faggot

            • #78268
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Leave anon alone, the mark of a respectable man is the ability to admit when you’re wrong. Only the media and fragile, unstable faggots don’t have the capacity for humility

      • #78162
        Anonymous
        Guest

        If you’re so much of a hopeless poorfag you can’t afford even a measly Topping D10S I don’t know what to tell you anon.

        It does outperform the vast majority of them but that’s just like everything: the vast majority of products on the market are absolute garbage with lots of marketing over it. This guy doesn’t really own anyone on LULZ anyway.

        • #78164
          Anonymous
          Guest

          The Topping doesn’t sound any better, so why the fuck would you pay an extra $100 for it?
          >I don’t know what to tell you anon.
          Exactly, you don’t.

          • #78165
            Anonymous
            Guest

            It factually does though.

            • #78167
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Show me a factual blind listening test or fuck off.

              And I just noticed that it doesn’t even have a headphone out.
              >sounds the same
              >no headphone output
              >costs $100 more
              Audiophiles are the biggest retards ever lmao

              • #78168
                Anonymous
                Guest

                You won’t find any for your dongle either. Why should I bother with the dongle at all then ? Surely the chang ching garbo I can buy for a dollar is just the same in use since they don’t have any ABX tests to back them up.
                Also it’s headphone output is just serviceable and performance tanks hard with even slightly higher impedance headphones.
                The apple dongle is also incapable of outputting a proper line level signal and is therefore complete shit if you want to plug it into anything else.

      • #78180
        Anonymous
        Guest

        it has to be a DAC, running 3.5mm audio through USB C pins like most android manufacturers is outside of the standard

        • #78185
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >running 3.5mm audio through USB C pins like most android manufacturers is outside of the standard
          that would imply that there is any standard at all with ubs-c

        • #78196
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >running 3.5mm audio through USB C pins like most android manufacturers is outside of the standard
          analog audio passthrough is in the USB-C standard, see page 309 here:
          https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/USB%20Type-C%20Spec%20R2.0%20-%20August%202019.pdf

          • #78334
            Anonymous
            Guest

            oh thats weird

            I thought when Google was asked why they don’t do it on the Pixel they said something like "we conform to the standard"

            I suppose this makes having two standards of headphone adapter even more retarded though

            • #78339
              Anonymous
              Guest

              My pixel two does analog over usb c, I’m pretty sure my gf’s pixel 3 does too.

        • #78235
          Anonymous
          Guest

          So my usb c earphones have a dac in them?

          • #78236
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Almost certainly yes, they have a tiny sound card.

          • #78238
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Almost certainly yes, they have a tiny sound card.

            I’d say it’s about 90% chance they do. Plug it in your PC and see if it shows up as an audio device.
            You can probably see this in Android too, but I don’t know where to look.

            • #78239
              Anonymous
              Guest

              Will try a bit later.

            • #78257
              Anonymous
              Guest

              I plugged it in my pc but it behaves like a normal headphone. Audio output switched to it, no pop up that said it’s a new device but in audio settings is listed as an audio device for output.

              • #78258
                Anonymous
                Guest

                >in audio settings is listed as an audio device for output
                So it’s a sound card.

                If it wasn’t you wouldn’t get any sound from those headphones on a PC. That analog pass-though bullshit only exists on some phones.

          • #78259
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Yes. DAC/AMP chips are so small now they can fit them into a slightly above average sized connector base

        • #78260
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Since when does Apple care about following standards?

          Analog over USB-C pins is obviously the superior way.
          That way you don’t need a bulky adapter/dongle if the headphones have a USB-C connector instead of 3.5mm.
          Higher end headphones with replaceable cables can simply be converted to USB-C.

        • #78273
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Not my hekin standarinos
          Cry more itodler

      • #78193
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >since usb-c support analog audio i/o
        But can you name a device that uses that?

    • #78140
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Friendly reminder: The EU version has a different design and far worse characteristics. It has only 0.5Vrms of maximum output compared to the 1.5 of the US version because of some retarded French law that they try to comply with for the entire Euro region. Chinks are even selling fakes with the US serial no.

      • #78148
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >honhon l’itoddlers btfo

      • #78186
        Anonymous
        Guest

        you’re able to bypass this by using certain apps that take direct control of the dac chip and you can put the volume quite a bit higher
        however it won’t if the app doesn’t have direct dac control support (most streaming services)

        • #78187
          Anonymous
          Guest

          It’s still a different design with worse characteristics overall. Really not worth the money

        • #78188
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >you’re able to bypass this by using certain apps that take direct control of the dac chip and you can put the volume quite a bit higher

          Source?

          • #78189
            Anonymous
            Guest

            i can’t find it now, but apps like UAPP allow for direct DAC control and allow you to get the volume quite high

    • #78143
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Absolute dogshit bass response.

    • #78145
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Outperforms
      >barely 3Vpp
      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • #78150
      Anonymous
      Guest

      This crap is a subscription service if you actually use it

    • #78151
      Anonymous
      Guest

      So what’s the penalty for using this as a DAC only with an external amp?

      • #78153
        Anonymous
        Guest

        None. I have an EU spec one and it drives my 250 ohm DT880s to an acceptable volume. It’s better than my Fiio E10 as it doesn’t have the stupid delay and pop after a period of silence.

    • #78154
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >USB-C dongles
      >pushing lightning on iPhones
      They just want to sell 2 dongles for everything, srsly

    • #78156
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Signal to noise ratio has not been relevant for decades.

    • #78160
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Outperforms most audiophile DACs.
      Are you an idiot?

      • #78195
        Anonymous
        Guest

        0.9 ohms output and the sinad posted above

        audiophile dacs are around 10-1.x
        even the lauded creative cards has about 100 ohms output (higher = worse, less bass accuracy)
        also most gamer motherboards that came with alc1220 dac are kinda very very poorly implemented

    • #78166
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Let me guess, you "need" more

      • #78169
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Let me guess, you "need" more

        https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/high-end-pc-audio,3733-19.html

        >Using world-class headphones, a $2 Realtek integrated audio codec could not be reliably distinguished from the $2000 Benchmark DAC2 HGC in a four-device round-up. Again, all four devices sounded great.

        • #78170
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Snibeti snab x–D

        • #78171
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Yes I need some real ADCs

          • #78172
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >some real ADCs
            REALtek got you covered, m80.

            • #78173
              Anonymous
              Guest

              I tried that and got unusable garbage. Sounded like 22Khz stuff
              Recording the same source with a proper sound card produced expected quality so the issue was with the realkek ADC

              • #78175
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Dunno what to say, works fine for me. I even measured it and got great results, better than my cheap USB sound card in fact. But it’s a new expensive mobo.

              • #78201
                Anonymous
                Guest

                your mobo maker has cheap implementation that is introducing noise. don’t blame crab.

        • #78192
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >use shitty speakers
          >everything sounds the same
          proves nothing

          • #78237
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >sennheiser hd800
            >shitty speakers
            Sure thing m8

        • #78250
          Anonymous
          Guest

          The Asus laptop I have now sounds worse than my old Acer laptop. It’s the same fucking chip. Another anon in this thread said your onboard audio can suffer if your board manufacturer has a shit implementation. So yeah I do need more. I’m aware it’s not realtek’s fault but it sounds like shit.

      • #78198
        Anonymous
        Guest
      • #78216
        Anonymous
        Guest

        I had one of the variants of this.

        It was amazing with a good setup and fantastic for mic shit.

      • #78331
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >"bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"

        • #78335
          Anonymous
          Guest

          I absolutely love this meme. Keeps good sound card prices down, thanks.

      • #78340
        Anonymous
        Guest

        tfw when PCI is dead

        • #78341
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Modern AM4 boards with PCI still exist and these cards also work with PCIe adapters.

          • #78342
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Nice to know they work with PCIe adapters anon, thanks. I built last year and couldn’t find a nice mb with pci.

    • #78177
      Anonymous
      Guest

      It’s very common to focus on the dac chip itself and not the rest of the circuitry in the device. Stable power supply and avoiding noise are more important. These are responsible for the variations in quality between motherboards with the same realtek dac. The $2 chip was never the problem. Its actually great. Many audiophile companies focus on marketing rather than engineering. Reminds me of old Schitt being loved by audiophiles despite breaking headphones and measuring far worse than 2006 macbooks. I am glad the new dongle is so cheap. Audio is long solved and quality should cost no more than 10 dollars.

      • #78178
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Don’t most realkek chips use external DACs?

        • #78204
          Anonymous
          Guest

          the realtek chip is the dac, I think you mean external amps, and yes.

    • #78179
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Simplest design.
      Anything more complex/elaborated is just snake oil and actually hampers audio quality.

    • #78181
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I use mine with a Pixel

      I used a cable sheath and a tie to try and reinforce it and make it last longer

      • #78182
        Anonymous
        Guest

        That’s kinda autistic, but also reasonable.

        How is the volume on the Pixel? On my Android phone it’s much quieter than in Windows. I have the US version.

        • #78183
          Anonymous
          Guest

          I did it because the cable is so thin, probably would have been ok with just the sheath

          The minimum volume is fine on mine it can go quite low to barely audible

          I’m using an EU Pixel 4 Xl with GrapheneOS

      • #78205
        Anonymous
        Guest

        just buy a dongle dac without terrible apple build quality. the apple one is good but there are plenty that as just as good or better with cables that don’t instantly break.

    • #78184
      Anonymous
      Guest

      because audiophile shit is even more of a scam than apple products

    • #78190
      Anonymous
      Guest

      This is what I use, best 30$ I’ve spent. The model is Tempotec Sonata HD Pro (CS43131 dac).

      • #78191
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Here’s some benchmarks if anyone’s curious.

      • #78206
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >comes with high-res audio sticker you can put on anything

        SOLD!

      • #78241
        Anonymous
        Guest

        I have one and also love it but the cable connecter snapped off in my pocket so I ordered a new one and it also snapped off and I have no idea where the fuck else to get a tiny mini usb to lighting cable.

      • #78327
        Anonymous
        Guest

        based

    • #78199
      Anonymous
      Guest

      ok

    • #78202
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >being forced to consoom a core feature that most phones have nowadays for just $10
      >bragging about how outperforms muh audiphile headphones
      nos surprises here

      • #78207
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >that most phones have nowadays
        haven’t pretty much all flagships ditched 3.5mm?

    • #78203
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Loudness is shot on Android unless you have a music player with hardware volume like UAPP or HibyMusic

    • #78208
      Anonymous
      Guest

      MUH APPUL

    • #78209
      Anonymous
      Guest

      (retard question alert)
      when used on a windows 10 machine, will it support the mic of its attached heaphones as well?

      • #78211
        Anonymous
        Guest

        yes but you will need a breakout cable since most motherboard don’t have combo jacks. you need a cable that breaks a headset cable into audio and mic, then feed the mic into the mic in port and hope the power delivery is enough. you can test/set gain and stuff in realtek settings. as an audio device it will be realtek mic in.

        • #78213
          Anonymous
          Guest

          ty, anon

        • #78221
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Maybe a longshot, but do you know of one of these things that can do 24-bit 48 khz? Every one I see is 16-bit 24 khz at best

          • #78222
            Anonymous
            Guest

            forgot pic

          • #78224
            Anonymous
            Guest

            The apple one in OP supports 24/48

            • #78228
              Anonymous
              Guest

              I need one with both a headphone jack and microphone jack like in this pic

              forgot pic

    • #78210
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >his sound card does not contain dedicated RAM

      • #78212
        Anonymous
        Guest

        retarded sound card user

        • #78231
          Anonymous
          Guest

          sour grapes cope

      • #78316
        Anonymous
        Guest

        The best implementation of realtek exist on a the few Altec Lansing / Dolby laptops and mostly those are old VAIO/Apple devices that even have DSD support and better audio line-in support (even realtek can record in DSD).
        Even the fact is realtek/idt and another manufacturer I can’t remember are the only ones who implement consumer DSD tech and have exclusive dolby/beats support.
        Creative isn’t even great. It’s just third-party line-in for people who can’t afford shit and has shitty surround tech / a dolby clone that performs worse pic related is the recent model, somewhat rolled off bass and trash impedance out response.

        >SB X-Fi
        >36 Ohm (poor)
        Enjoy your rolled off sub-bass. You will never hear 808.

    • #78214
      Anonymous
      Guest

      The source for my HD600 is my motherboard. 0 issues. Bought a Dac and amp, sounded exactly the same, returned it to jeff for free. Fuck all you memeing muh dac retards

      • #78227
        Anonymous
        Guest

        HD600 is surprisingly good without a dedicated amp. the only noticeable improvement i’ve heard is with some $1000+ solid state amp i tried at a meet, and at that point you’re better served with fancier headphones
        i use a cheap dac/amp combo just so i can have a volume knob next to my keyboard (and pre out to my speaker system). if you don’t care about a volume knob or pre out, integrated pc audio is usually fine.

    • #78217
      Anonymous
      Guest

      You’re telling me that piece of shit dongle I bought, which should rightfully be bundled with the phone, is better than the Schiit stack that I use? Doubt it.

    • #78218
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Are you saying I should buy this for my android phone

    • #78220
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >onboard audio randomly stops working less than a year after I buy my pc
      >"Failed to play test tone"
      >turn off enhancements
      >nothing
      >try updating and reinstalling realtek drivers
      >nothing
      >finally just get Apple 3.5mm to USB-C dongle
      >Works perfectly and sound is even better than before
      Why is realtek so shit, bros?

      • #78291
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Realtek isn’t bad
        It’s the retards behind putting it on your boards
        Literally no one cares to do it right anymore

        • #78292
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Realtek isn’t bad
          Hahahahahahshshs

          • #78293
            Anonymous
            Guest

            There’s plenty of good Realtek DACs, same with Cirrus Logic, etc. It depends on the implementation more than on the brand name of the DAC, as long as the DAC itself is good on paper.

            • #78294
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >There’s plenty of good Realtek DACs
              Hahahahahahah

              • #78295
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Most DACs roll out the same fabs with little real world difference these days, it’s a technology that was perfected for mass production 20 years ago already. It hit the ceiling ages ago when it comes to cheap mass produced parts.

              • #78297
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Friendly reminder that snibbety crab is what killed the soundcards, by the virtue of making integrated sound outperform an expensive dedicated peripheral.

                • #78328
                  Anonymous
                  Guest

                  Sound cards weren’t really that expensive when onboard was still rare or just bad. Plus at the time, sound cards themselves weren’t always that good either.

      • #78300
        Anonymous
        Guest

        stop buying cheap gigabyte/asus trash motherboard. entry-level gaming boards are mostly shit.

        >There’s plenty of good Realtek DACs
        Hahahahahahah

        >Realtek isn’t bad
        Hahahahahahshshs

        All "gaming dual alc dac" motherboard have shit implementation and I’m surprised that those gaming boards don’t even have enough funds or wits to put solid state caps in there. Makes sense why there’s so many topics of those boards dying randomly too.
        You can literally see how the board is implemented from its image and usually the PCIe lanes do not even have caps, worse is if you have a powered graphics card connected to shitty PSU the dirty noise will spread into your motherboard and it will leak into your audio regardless of whether the onboard audio uses yellow nichicon caps, also leak that power over your hdd/ssd and you’re now part of the retarded gaymer who will RMA every piece of broken component.

        • #78302
          Anonymous
          Guest

          The best implementation of realtek exist on a the few Altec Lansing / Dolby laptops and mostly those are old VAIO/Apple devices that even have DSD support and better audio line-in support (even realtek can record in DSD).
          Even the fact is realtek/idt and another manufacturer I can’t remember are the only ones who implement consumer DSD tech and have exclusive dolby/beats support.
          Creative isn’t even great. It’s just third-party line-in for people who can’t afford shit and has shitty surround tech / a dolby clone that performs worse pic related is the recent model, somewhat rolled off bass and trash impedance out response.

        • #78305
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >or wits to put solid state caps in there
          It’s been successfully memed that solid caps are bad for audio so they put fancy looking electrolytics instead
          I have a cheap ECS board where the audio section caps are the same as all the others on the board and the audio is perfectly fine.

          Why people think all the hobby grade bullshit sold by asus, msi, gigabyte and others is in any way good boggles my mind more and more every day

          • #78306
            Anonymous
            Guest

            pic related

          • #78312
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >electrolytics
            Sounds like hisssssss and cheapshit that blows magic smoke in a few years of having ground loop or grounded component somewhere in the board (like a bad usb cable).
            All those hobby grade shit you mentioned use the cheapest of the cheapest electrolytic caps and have the worst implementation. Most of them hiss like crazy and they can’t figure it out, it’s the power supply and the lack of capacitors on certain parts, also the weakest cheapest electrolytic caps they use so you will send them to repair or have them RMA’d for recycling in pristine condition (lol).

            Most of the workstations that use realtek, production studio, audio-grade laptops have nicer implementation and solid-state cap that these boards still work fine to this day.
            There were a few laptops that even had optical audio built in and comes with a powerful dac+adc and dual audio output both of which don’t even hiss and have zero ohms. Overall implementation is what matters, and if you’re lazy for that just check any laptop that has dolby/altec lansing/beats support, or even motherboards but those mostly exist in the workstation or apple realm. Apple has one of the best audio implementations too on the software side with coreaudio. Everything else without realtek/idt/dolby have poor software audio implementation.

          • #78314
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >solid caps are bad for audio so they put fancy looking electrolytics
            Now that’s what I call product shilling.
            Solid caps are good. Those fancy "fake solid caps" like here https://tim.id.au/blog/2008/10/15/more-blown-caps/comment-page-1/
            See how there’s a line/engraving? Fake solid-state.
            Plastic-enclosed electrolytic caps are also trash (with the exception of nichicon caps)

            Also the implementation could be better on here

            pic related

            from the looks of it it’s probably solid-state everywhere and has one over the PCIe lanes

            • #78323
              Anonymous
              Guest

              >Solid caps are good
              Never said they wasn’t but every fucking motherboard manufacturer thinks they are the devil for audio.
              Wish I knew the reasoning for this, If I had to guess some boomers probably complained 15 years ago that it would harm the audio when mobos started to move away from electrolytics and it became a marketing point

              • #78326
                Anonymous
                Guest

                Nope it’s just those manufacturers you mentioned wanted blowing caps and wanted the cheapest have it be economical and profitable as much as possible.

                I have a workstation with all solid caps, has clean audio, no hiss.
                Maybe some 120Hz hum but it disappears if I use earth or ground (I’m using 2-pin nema AC). It’s also has very low output ohms close to zero ohms and beats shit like soundblaster meme whose lowest is like 1ohm (lol).

    • #78223
      Anonymous
      Guest

      get an audio jack stocholm syndrome retards

      • #78225
        Anonymous
        Guest

        I wouldn’t buy an iPhone. I use a Xiaomi phone and it has a wonderful dac. I’m actually considering buying this thing to use on my Asus laptop though since the onboard audio is dogshit.

    • #78226
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >idiverse folk still shit in the street
      >despite millions of toilets being installed

      How?

    • #78229
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >usb c garbage
      where micro usb

    • #78232
      Anonymous
      Guest

      DAC have been perfect for the past few decades.

      Audio quality is all in the amplification and speaker design.

    • #78240
      Anonymous
      Guest

      This device shouldn’t exist so who cares.

    • #78242
      Anonymous
      Guest

      how good is the lightning to audio jack adapter by Apple?

      • #78243
        Anonymous
        Guest

        it’s the same dac chip in both

    • #78245
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Outperforms DACs that cost thousands of dollars
      [x] Doubt

    • #78247
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Outperforms the vast majority of "audiophile" DACs and sound cards
      Shut the fuck up you goddamn mental gimp, it’s a fucking adapter. You’re glorifying a fucking adapter, phones went through this fucking phase 20 years ago, you goddamn obtuse fuck. I hope you get AIDS and die like Steve Jobs.

      • #78252
        Anonymous
        Guest

        You don’t know what you’re talking about. Refrain from posting immediately

    • #78255
      Anonymous
      Guest

      is it true that this dongle is gimped in Europe due to laws against going above a certain volume?

      • #78256
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Yes, there’s a Euro version of this that has lower volume.

        • #78272
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >Yes, there’s a Euro version of this that has lower volume.
          so in other words, if you live in Europe buying this dongle is a waste of time?

          • #78278
            Anonymous
            Guest

            Look at the measurements for the Euro version, it’s not terrible, but it’s clearly worse and it could be too weak for your headphones.
            You can still buy the US version, but you’ll probably have to pay more for shipping.

    • #78262
      Anonymous
      Guest

      anybody know what the SINAD is for the K5 Pro through the headphone jack? the audioscience review just scored it based on RCA cables which he stated performed worse than through the headphone jack

      • #78263
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Amir said it’s in the 90s I think
        Spec is 95db?

    • #78264
      Anonymous
      Guest

      So is this thing better than my Realtek ALC1220 VB?
      I keep going back and forth with different tracks and sound tests, but overall it just sounds like the Apple dongle has more bass and a deeper sound.
      Can’t really tell which one is worse, maybe i’m just too used to the higher pitched Realtek one

    • #78279
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >outperforms
      It managed to make my old CIEMs sound even warmer to the point where some vocals get drowned out.

      I tested the same pair with a desktop DAC/Amp and it was fine

    • #78280
      Anonymous
      Guest

      I own this. It’s quieter than my GS9’s built in aux port. The fuck.

      • #78281
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Android is gay like that, Windows doesn’t have this problem. But you can still use the HiBy Music app with the direct USB device access to get full volume.

        Or maybe you have the Euro version. Is it the A2049 or the A2155? It’s written on it.

        • #78282
          Anonymous
          Guest

          You realize the best FOSS player supports direct play for USB DACs already?

          • #78283
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >the best FOSS player
            And which player would that be?

        • #78286
          Anonymous
          Guest

          Looks to be a2049

    • #78284
      Anonymous
      Guest

      How fucking loud do you people listen to your music?

      • #78285
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Not very loud but my headphones need a bit of power to work
        Don’t think the Apple donger would cut it

    • #78287
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >Who would win?
      >Little cheap dongle from Applel
      >10 year old sound card that goes for 15 eur online these days

      Unironically the dongler can’t even feed my 300 ohm IEMs, while the card easily takes care of my 600 ohm phones.

      • #78289
        Anonymous
        Guest

        >6pin power
        AHAHAHAHA

        • #78290
          Anonymous
          Guest

          You realize PCIe x1 is only rated for 10W?

    • #78288
      Anonymous
      Guest

      imagine getting cheated out of $9+markup to get an inferior version of a function that should be already integrated in your phone.

    • #78296
      Anonymous
      Guest

      "Audiophile DACs" are better performance wise. The issue is audiophiles also want higher wattage.

    • #78303
      Anonymous
      Guest

      >plug in headphones into mobo
      HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

      • #78308
        Anonymous
        Guest

        What is your momboard?

    • #78304
      Anonymous
      Guest

      You don’t understand the mindset of audiophiles. They’re boomers with lots of disposable income and literally no other hobby than their snake oil collection. Trying to take that away is depriving them of one of their few joys in life. Just roll with it and try to get a piece of the cake.

      • #78307
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Some of those "boomers" post on LULZ regularly in threads like this

        […]

        They’re buying "DACs" and headphone amps that cost hundreds of dollars. It’s cringe af.

        • #78309
          Anonymous
          Guest

          I imagine them buying all that expensive stuff just to listen to some trashy anime soundtrack

          • #78310
            Anonymous
            Guest

            trashy anime soundtracks sound better on semi trashy gear anyway

            galaxy buds > JVC HA-SZ2000

    • #78311
      Anonymous
      Guest

      or just stop being a melanoid and use a phone with a 3.5mm headphone jack

    • #78313
      Anonymous
      Guest

      well have i got some news for you guys..

      • #78315
        Anonymous
        Guest

        Which one out of 571 BT audio standards provides the same fidelity as wired? That’s right, none of them.
        And no, aptx lossless is not it:
        >Designed to scale-up to CD lossless audio based on Bluetooth link quality
        >scale-up to
        >up to

        • #78318
          Anonymous
          Guest

          BT doesn’t even have standards anymore, it’s dropped from IEEE 802.15 standard

        • #78320
          Anonymous
          Guest

          >same fidelity as wired?
          wired to what? a hifi dac? sure

          compared to directly wired to the shitpile output headphone jack of a smartphone?
          in practice bluetooth outperforms that in quality

          also if were talking streaming music on the go, there is literally no reason to use a wired heaphone, gramps

          • #78321
            Anonymous
            Guest

            >in practice bluetooth outperforms that in quality
            Just by this statement I know you don’t know what you’re talking about. Not even how BT itself works.
            Sure it’s OK for audiobooks and calls, but not for music.

            • #78324
              Anonymous
              Guest

              the dac of a good bt headphone is better than the built in smartphone dac.
              and its not only the dac its the power output of the headphone jack compared to the dsp in the bt heaphones that loses as well

              actually you dont know what youre talking about because you havent tried it out

        • #78325
          Anonymous
          Guest

          ldac maybe is enough for 48khz/24bit.
          there are headphones which have built-in SD-card slots though and you might probably want that.

    • #78317
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Be real with me: is my ODAC good or is it time to upgrade to the Apple USB-C to 3.5mm adapter?

    • #78319
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Audio business is full of snake oil. The way they sell it is by using a real useful thing like a DAC and pretend it’s something high end. The DAC on your motherboard is just as good as the expensive snack oil shit. Only reason you would need anything else is if your headphones or speakers require more power. Which you can do with a receiver. Audiofags will continue to act like they know what they are talking about even thought they don’t.

      t. Audio engineer

      • #78322
        Anonymous
        Guest

        That depends bruh like if we’re talking about workstation like a modern dell xeon/i7 or even a toshiba laptop (glory be to nipon) it will have cleaner audio but compare that to some gigabyte or msi garbage you will hear a buzz, yup a BUZZ including that hiss and hum, piss and cum.

        But you’re right that consumer grade hardware can be audio nirvana if it’s not some board with actually bad schematics and actual ground voltage loops in the blueprint.

    • #78329
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Most people don’t even know what decent onboard is.

    • #78330
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Where do I find out if my onboard PC audio is good?
      Asus 470-F Gaming.

      • #78332
        Anonymous
        Guest

        listen to it

        • #78333
          Anonymous
          Guest

          I only have Moon Drop Blessing 2’s…. My current gaymer headphones are wireless because I like to get up walk away and stuff.

    • #78336
      Anonymous
      Guest

      b/c apple is a technology company, not some toddler dos legacy maintainer

    • #78337
      Anonymous
      Guest

      know how

    • #78338
      Anonymous
      Guest

      Heh, dongle

    • #78343
      Anonymous
      Guest

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      >telling the whole world you’re a LULZ janny

    • #78344
      Anonymous
      Guest

      […]

      he be kinda cute id fug his nice tight asspussy.

    • #78345
      Anonymous
      Guest

      […]

      this poster is a wintoddler microjeet shill, who is buttblasted that mods don’t put up with his tard tantrums…

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