nice, glad you got something out of it. if you ever feel like checking out more, i’d recommend petrouchka or the rite of spring (more jarring but maybe you’ll find it more interesting).
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also if you want some music that is way too hype and chaotic for you to ever fall asleep to, you can always try this lol https://youtu.be/fdAMNf_4gLc?si=xE5-4EgvZP8IoAgE.
also if stravinsky’s too weird, you can always try ravel and early milhaud
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I want to zoom not snooze
classical music is boring as fuck and it was never cool.
i cannot wait for you retards to get drafted.
imagine thinking you’re black all of a sudden after some idiot online convinced you to get broccoli hair.
classical music is boring as fuck and it was never cool.
I want to zoom not snooze
fact: anyone who dislikes classical listens to music for the immediate pleasure of its sonority rather than its narrative and structure. They do not deserve classical because they treat music as a consumable rather than an art.
Saying classical music is boring is like saying reading is boring: your IQ just isn't big enough. Seriously though, classical music is like 500 years of different genres and styles, there's something in there for everyone and surely some of it can be immediately appealing to anyone. Saying otherwise is dishonest. As for gay, it depends. Opera for example is extremely gay, but they can be really good too.
Get your head out of your ass, pretentious cretins
Nothing I said is pretentious, apart from the first part which was said in jest. I literally said there's something in classical music for everyone.
no, i think reading is extremely not boring. I love reading both fiction and nonfiction, and i find literature to be an even more fulfilling artform than music. Its not about a lack of patience/attention span or being retarded, this is a misconception that most classical fans fall for. I love "tedious" music such as ambient and noise or various forms of jazz. The fact is simply that for the most part I am not impressed by classical, it sounds sonically outdated, the instruments and sounds are not interesting to me, the "narratives" are usually very flimsy and basic compared to modern narrative standards, especially in the case of opera (which i kind of like more than other classical even tho its even gayer as you said, because of the theatrics). There is just very little value that I extract from most classical music. Although the technicality of it might be impressive, i find its artistic value in the current cultural context to be very surface-level, naive and unengaging.
>i find literature to be an even more fulfilling artform than music
So do I.
It's always the same arguments with you electronic music fans. Your points are nothing that I haven't seen before. "Sonically outdated" is something only a fan of electronic music would say, however, sound doesn't "date".
The instruments, again, only something an electronic fan would say. "They're not interesting to you"? What? Out of the 100 or so instruments there's not a single one that's sonically appealing to you? Not a single technique of playing? I find that hard to believe, unless you can only stomach computer generated sounds or are completely autistic. Most likely both.
The narratives depend on the music; only songs, opera, and program music have a narrative in the true sense of the word, there's plenty of classical music that's abstract, they don't mean anything, or they're music for music's sake.
Two big parts of classical music that you electronic music fans never take notice of are form and development, which is where the best of the best classical music excels at.
Again, all this just sounds like you didn't give it a fair shot, you didn't find what you were looking for, and were disappointed. It just sounds like a lack of listening experience, not to mention understanding what makes it good in the first place.
"Astor Pantaleón Piazzolla (Spanish: [pjaˈsola], Italian: [pjatˈtsɔlla]; March 11, 1921 – July 4, 1992) was an Argentine tango composer, bandoneon player, and arranger. His works revolutionized the traditional tango into a new style termed nuevo tango, incorporating elements from jazz and classical music. " >incorporating elements from jazz and classical music
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astor_Piazzolla
I mean the problem is that they teach classical goyslop. Classical literature? How about classical goyslop? Its all goyslop because were goys that have 0 appreciation for conflict and resolution in music.
Saying classical music is boring is like saying reading is boring: your IQ just isn't big enough. Seriously though, classical music is like 500 years of different genres and styles, there's something in there for everyone and surely some of it can be immediately appealing to anyone. Saying otherwise is dishonest. As for gay, it depends. Opera for example is extremely gay, but they can be really good too.
no, i think reading is extremely not boring. I love reading both fiction and nonfiction, and i find literature to be an even more fulfilling artform than music. Its not about a lack of patience/attention span or being retarded, this is a misconception that most classical fans fall for. I love "tedious" music such as ambient and noise or various forms of jazz. The fact is simply that for the most part I am not impressed by classical, it sounds sonically outdated, the instruments and sounds are not interesting to me, the "narratives" are usually very flimsy and basic compared to modern narrative standards, especially in the case of opera (which i kind of like more than other classical even tho its even gayer as you said, because of the theatrics). There is just very little value that I extract from most classical music. Although the technicality of it might be impressive, i find its artistic value in the current cultural context to be very surface-level, naive and unengaging.
Nothing I said is pretentious, apart from the first part which was said in jest. I literally said there's something in classical music for everyone.
[...] >i find literature to be an even more fulfilling artform than music
So do I.
It's always the same arguments with you electronic music fans. Your points are nothing that I haven't seen before. "Sonically outdated" is something only a fan of electronic music would say, however, sound doesn't "date".
The instruments, again, only something an electronic fan would say. "They're not interesting to you"? What? Out of the 100 or so instruments there's not a single one that's sonically appealing to you? Not a single technique of playing? I find that hard to believe, unless you can only stomach computer generated sounds or are completely autistic. Most likely both.
The narratives depend on the music; only songs, opera, and program music have a narrative in the true sense of the word, there's plenty of classical music that's abstract, they don't mean anything, or they're music for music's sake.
Two big parts of classical music that you electronic music fans never take notice of are form and development, which is where the best of the best classical music excels at.
Again, all this just sounds like you didn't give it a fair shot, you didn't find what you were looking for, and were disappointed. It just sounds like a lack of listening experience, not to mention understanding what makes it good in the first place.
>no value in current cultural context
This is another common argument. The idea that if it's not relevant in the current cultural climate, it's not good, which is just hilarious to me. This is most likely the mind of someone who believes in progress, whether it's political, artistic, or whatever. And if music is on a linear path to perfection, of course you're going to think it's better now than it's been 200 years ago. And of course, if technology is progressing, then music must be too, since they're so intertwined. But it doesn't work like that. And relevancy is irrelevant. The fact that it has no value in the current cultural context (the market) and with the modern listener (who is a tasteless idiot based on all criteria) is a positive, not a negative. I can't fathom convincing myself that something that's been made in this schizophrenic age is spiritually and aesthetically equal to the best of classical music, let alone being better than it. There's much more criteria to music than technicality and immediate sonic appeal. >surface-level, naive and unengaging
This is so retarded I can't even begin to start. Listen to more classical music, that's all I can say, because it just seems to me like you didn't listen to enough stuff, didn't listen well enough, or you just didn't fully comprehend it. That or your taste is extremely limited. I feel like I'm talking to an alien, this shit just confuses me.
Not to mention >ambient >tedious
is an absurd notion.
And tell me what kind of music you listen to? I'd really like to know what you put on a pedestal as the pinnacle of musical artistry and why. Blow me away.
Oh and this >Its not about a lack of patience/attention span or being retarded, this is a misconception
is only half right. It absolutely is a lack of patience and attention span that people lack to truly appreciate this music, but this can all be learned. The primary issues are lack of listening experience, accessibility, and biases ("classical music is le aristocratic/pretentious therefore I won't listen to it" levels of retardation).
Classical music may not be everyones cup of tea, but, if you don't enjoy at least one song by the band, "Emerson, Lake & Palmer" you're either a nagger or a dumb zoomer bitch.
The problem with classical is the lack of a beat. The instruments are not to blame, because folk musicians make beats with even more primitive instrumentation. You can make something danceable with nothing but foot stomps and hand claps, yet classical composers completely waste their orchestral percussion, even in "dance" pieces. It's just plain stubbornness.
i may be a fag but thinking classical is boring is even gayer. maybe try listening to some stravinsky or schnittke you adhd zoomer.
I tried stravinsky. pretty neat.
nice, glad you got something out of it. if you ever feel like checking out more, i’d recommend petrouchka or the rite of spring (more jarring but maybe you’ll find it more interesting).
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also if you want some music that is way too hype and chaotic for you to ever fall asleep to, you can always try this lol https://youtu.be/fdAMNf_4gLc?si=xE5-4EgvZP8IoAgE.
also if stravinsky’s too weird, you can always try ravel and early milhaud
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i’d recommend these to you anons as well
surely op is older than 18 and is allowed to post here
based, i love both
>based, i love both
hell yea. requiem is great. i really enjoy his concertos too (viola, cello, grosso)
imagine doing shit you dont want to just to own le tiktok generation
Why is enjoying classical music so unfathomable?
Because these retards think everyone's attention span is as fried as theirs.
i cannot wait for you retards to get drafted.
imagine thinking you’re black all of a sudden after some idiot online convinced you to get broccoli hair.
BTFO
Who are you talking about? Meds. Go back to listening to your Sophie, homosexual!
fact: anyone who dislikes classical listens to music for the immediate pleasure of its sonority rather than its narrative and structure. They do not deserve classical because they treat music as a consumable rather than an art.
listening to classical is like eating sewage
you talk like you eat glue
Get your head out of your ass, pretentious cretins
Holy insecurity batman!
Nothing I said is pretentious, apart from the first part which was said in jest. I literally said there's something in classical music for everyone.
>i find literature to be an even more fulfilling artform than music
So do I.
It's always the same arguments with you electronic music fans. Your points are nothing that I haven't seen before. "Sonically outdated" is something only a fan of electronic music would say, however, sound doesn't "date".
The instruments, again, only something an electronic fan would say. "They're not interesting to you"? What? Out of the 100 or so instruments there's not a single one that's sonically appealing to you? Not a single technique of playing? I find that hard to believe, unless you can only stomach computer generated sounds or are completely autistic. Most likely both.
The narratives depend on the music; only songs, opera, and program music have a narrative in the true sense of the word, there's plenty of classical music that's abstract, they don't mean anything, or they're music for music's sake.
Two big parts of classical music that you electronic music fans never take notice of are form and development, which is where the best of the best classical music excels at.
Again, all this just sounds like you didn't give it a fair shot, you didn't find what you were looking for, and were disappointed. It just sounds like a lack of listening experience, not to mention understanding what makes it good in the first place.
I like classical BECAUSE of the immediate pleasure of the sonority! Anyone who dislikes classical music just doesn't care about music.
>stravinsky
Stravinsky invented Zeuhl in 1923 with Les Noces, which makes it the oldest prog rock sub-genre.
I want to zoom not snooze
classical music is boring as fuck and it was never cool.
>tranny cat image
>shit opinion
WHO YOU CALLING A TRANNY, nagger
not everything that goes against your worldview is a tranny anon. Take your meds
dont they usually use anime girl pics
Also which composer should I listen to if I love metal
ill just leave this here
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>classical music is boring and a bit gay also imho
Classical fags are trannies
so true tranime sister
You got 'tranny' on the wheel, dumbass.
nta
>Brings up trannies completely unprovoked (in fact to describe one of the least tranny things; traditional white music)
>Not obsessed
>[Thing I don't like] is men who cut their penises off and dress up as women
When you have no argument but still like to hear yourself talk
>classical music is boring
Piazzola isn't classical lmao
"Astor Pantaleón Piazzolla (Spanish: [pjaˈsola], Italian: [pjatˈtsɔlla]; March 11, 1921 – July 4, 1992) was an Argentine tango composer, bandoneon player, and arranger. His works revolutionized the traditional tango into a new style termed nuevo tango, incorporating elements from jazz and classical music. "
>incorporating elements from jazz and classical music
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astor_Piazzolla
it's fucking lame.
classical music is beautiful, transcendent art and I genuinely pity you for not understanding it
I mean the problem is that they teach classical goyslop. Classical literature? How about classical goyslop? Its all goyslop because were goys that have 0 appreciation for conflict and resolution in music.
go outside
Go listen to it you deaf fuck. Moonlight sonata is the goyslop of classical and Shakespeare is the goyslop of classical literature.
you need friends
As long as youre not one of them.
also this. Goyslop classical is the absolute worst and least self aware of all goyslops
Chinaman hands bugged this out on a Huawei device
westfalen
Saying classical music is boring is like saying reading is boring: your IQ just isn't big enough. Seriously though, classical music is like 500 years of different genres and styles, there's something in there for everyone and surely some of it can be immediately appealing to anyone. Saying otherwise is dishonest. As for gay, it depends. Opera for example is extremely gay, but they can be really good too.
no, i think reading is extremely not boring. I love reading both fiction and nonfiction, and i find literature to be an even more fulfilling artform than music. Its not about a lack of patience/attention span or being retarded, this is a misconception that most classical fans fall for. I love "tedious" music such as ambient and noise or various forms of jazz. The fact is simply that for the most part I am not impressed by classical, it sounds sonically outdated, the instruments and sounds are not interesting to me, the "narratives" are usually very flimsy and basic compared to modern narrative standards, especially in the case of opera (which i kind of like more than other classical even tho its even gayer as you said, because of the theatrics). There is just very little value that I extract from most classical music. Although the technicality of it might be impressive, i find its artistic value in the current cultural context to be very surface-level, naive and unengaging.
>I love "tedious" music such as ambient
Why didn't you just say you're retarded?
Klaus Schulze and Tangerine Dream are pretty galaxy brain if you have the attention span.
Lol. lmao even. Also
>Tangerine Dream
>Ambient
Webern was the first ambient artist
>no value in current cultural context
This is another common argument. The idea that if it's not relevant in the current cultural climate, it's not good, which is just hilarious to me. This is most likely the mind of someone who believes in progress, whether it's political, artistic, or whatever. And if music is on a linear path to perfection, of course you're going to think it's better now than it's been 200 years ago. And of course, if technology is progressing, then music must be too, since they're so intertwined. But it doesn't work like that. And relevancy is irrelevant. The fact that it has no value in the current cultural context (the market) and with the modern listener (who is a tasteless idiot based on all criteria) is a positive, not a negative. I can't fathom convincing myself that something that's been made in this schizophrenic age is spiritually and aesthetically equal to the best of classical music, let alone being better than it. There's much more criteria to music than technicality and immediate sonic appeal.
>surface-level, naive and unengaging
This is so retarded I can't even begin to start. Listen to more classical music, that's all I can say, because it just seems to me like you didn't listen to enough stuff, didn't listen well enough, or you just didn't fully comprehend it. That or your taste is extremely limited. I feel like I'm talking to an alien, this shit just confuses me.
Not to mention
>ambient
>tedious
is an absurd notion.
And tell me what kind of music you listen to? I'd really like to know what you put on a pedestal as the pinnacle of musical artistry and why. Blow me away.
Oh and this
>Its not about a lack of patience/attention span or being retarded, this is a misconception
is only half right. It absolutely is a lack of patience and attention span that people lack to truly appreciate this music, but this can all be learned. The primary issues are lack of listening experience, accessibility, and biases ("classical music is le aristocratic/pretentious therefore I won't listen to it" levels of retardation).
Classical music may not be everyones cup of tea, but, if you don't enjoy at least one song by the band, "Emerson, Lake & Palmer" you're either a nagger or a dumb zoomer bitch.
Hating classical is a sign that you are of a darker skin complexion.
i’m taiwanese and i like baroque music.
>inb4 got forced
no lol
You're also not very good at logic
Holy crap it's Beluga! Beluga YouTube!
you're a fag more than classical is
90% of classical music sucks but there are quite a few banger.
100% of most genres suck
The problem with classical is the lack of a beat. The instruments are not to blame, because folk musicians make beats with even more primitive instrumentation. You can make something danceable with nothing but foot stomps and hand claps, yet classical composers completely waste their orchestral percussion, even in "dance" pieces. It's just plain stubbornness.
How do you define "beat?" A repetitive rhythm played by drums?