GM really screwed themselves over. They don’t have a brand to sell to the next generations. Just trucks and boring boomer SUVs (Buicks). Pontiac was the obvious choice to keep alive. That was where they could have actually kept doing something more unique instead of making a billion Trailblazer clones across a billion different badges, lol
Their own website listes all 3 models offered as crossovers and one rebadge Escalade? as an suv. Yet retarded advertising firm makes that s(you)v ad for them. Make it make sense.
GM seems to be doing fine among the zoomers. The colorado is becoming the overland meme truck for anyone too broke for a taco, and the cruze is now the goto poorfag car
Ah yes, zoomers will save GM with the piles of cash they've all accumulated through their side hustles. A noble cause to save an iconic piece of American culture.
That would either be awesome or terrible, probably terrible. Buick dying is a who cares situation, but bringing back Pontiac could be a monkey's paw thing. They probably wouldn't be coming out with cool new cars that enthusiasts want. I'd love a modern Firebird even if it was just a modern Camaro with T-tops, or a new solstice to compete with the miata. It would probably be something like a crossover Grand-Am, a 3 cylinder Vibe, a ridiculously huge Aztec, and, god forbid, an EV Trans-Am/Firebird. GM needs suffer a lot more, and all the gov money needs to run out before they make cool stuff again, if ever.
>big 3 in negotiations right now >UAW trying to get COLA back along with huge pay increase >using current sales numbers for supporting argument
"OY VEY the numbas are going down! We can't pay you COLA. Please you gotta undastand! We're dyin here."
the timing on this stinks.
The Big 3 always negotiate with the UAW in terms of the North American market, not the global market. If it's not profitable domestically, it doesn't get done. Bonuses for example, are always tied to NAM profits, not global.
Americans don’t want American cars anymore either based off the Big 3’s current model lineup, so this is just them playing catchup with the leading superpower.
>You're selling to a country that flagrantly disregards Intellectual Property. >You're selling to a country whos populace is fickle and easily led by its authoritarian gov't >You're selling to a country who's gov't will screw you over with little warning, and little reason. >You're selling to a country who's home industry will steal, lie, and kill its own workers and customers to get ahead, at your expense.
They were fucking warned. Same goes the dumbass euro brands who thought it was a good idea to export there too. The 2 decades they spent selling to the enemy has only allowed them to leapfrog to their current level.
Too bad if the evil bastards ever actually faced closure they would just be getting bailed out by the peasants at gunpoint. There's just no getting rid of the bastards no matter how disgusting their behavior or how little they give back to the country they owe their existence to.
Btw the reason Japanese vehicles are so beloved in this country is entirely because our domestic giants are fucked up retards that could give a shit less if they sell you, your mom, or anyone you love some loveless hunk of shit built with zero pride or work ethic at all. They get away with it because 1 in 100 vehicles they make are actually worth a shit, just enough to keep up the illusion that they see their customers as people and are capable of giving a shit.
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I want American companies to produce cars for Americans, half of the domestic cars sold in the states are designed in a way that appeases the Chinese masses first, Americans second. If that changes, they will eventually offer cars designed for Americans solely.
Exactly and if not for the Chinese market Buick would’ve died long ago. We should’ve kept Pontiac instead
I want American companies to produce cars for Americans, half of the domestic cars sold in the states are designed in a way that appeases the Chinese masses first, Americans second. If that changes, they will eventually offer cars designed for Americans solely.
I agree, I have several jap cars but it hurts me that I can't in clear conscious recommend a domestic economy car when I know it'll have some bullshit issues later. An older one? Yes, America made plenty of good beaters in the 2000s, but not anymore.
China actually wants American luxury sedans of all things, something that Americans apparently don't even want. Cadillac CT6/Buick Regal and now even the Lincoln Zephyr are all China-market only models.
>China's government, in an attempt to harm the US economy, will no longer allow for the import of American brands. Status brands from Europe are still fine.
>it's bad news for ford and gm >they no longer have to make dumpster fire cars that are designed purely to appease chinks
No old person drives buick anymore in the US, no one would fucking notice if Buick dissolved overnight
Good. I hope the American industry goes belly up.
I couldn't give half a shit about Ford and GM. Maybe they'll learn to make cars that last longer than 100k miles
Good, now they can finally kill off Buick and replace it with Pontiac. Pontiac can become the cheap experimental division of GM
>cheap
>experimental
>current year
pick one
GM really screwed themselves over. They don’t have a brand to sell to the next generations. Just trucks and boring boomer SUVs (Buicks). Pontiac was the obvious choice to keep alive. That was where they could have actually kept doing something more unique instead of making a billion Trailblazer clones across a billion different badges, lol
Buick doesn’t sell a single SUV. It’s an entire line up of hatchbacks
Their own website listes all 3 models offered as crossovers and one rebadge Escalade? as an suv. Yet retarded advertising firm makes that s(you)v ad for them. Make it make sense.
the corvette is still a good halo car - but yeah ford is really throwing down the gauntlet now. gm doesn't have much else going on.
GM seems to be doing fine among the zoomers. The colorado is becoming the overland meme truck for anyone too broke for a taco, and the cruze is now the goto poorfag car
>the cruze is now the goto poorfag car
Isn't that still the Altima? I see more of those where I live than Cruzes.
I think you still have to have a job of some kind to get an altima
>Cruze
They don’t even make it anymore, the Malibu is the only car Chevy still makes.
same shit
Did someone say goto poorfag car?
Ah yes, zoomers will save GM with the piles of cash they've all accumulated through their side hustles. A noble cause to save an iconic piece of American culture.
That would either be awesome or terrible, probably terrible. Buick dying is a who cares situation, but bringing back Pontiac could be a monkey's paw thing. They probably wouldn't be coming out with cool new cars that enthusiasts want. I'd love a modern Firebird even if it was just a modern Camaro with T-tops, or a new solstice to compete with the miata. It would probably be something like a crossover Grand-Am, a 3 cylinder Vibe, a ridiculously huge Aztec, and, god forbid, an EV Trans-Am/Firebird. GM needs suffer a lot more, and all the gov money needs to run out before they make cool stuff again, if ever.
Fake news
Tesla sales doubled last month in china
Half of all Tesla’s go to china
Ya’ll gobble up whatever rage b8 “news” like it’s a bell delphine fart
xilon musk
Get stuffed Alphonse aka soviet aka z31 aka Prezzo aka LPG.
Stop ban evading
>confusing prezLULZ for a mod and mexicant
no delicious Beans 4 u
There are tons of roads where Teslas EXCLUSIVELY are not allowed in China, and you think people would be buying more of them?
>There are tons of roads where Teslas EXCLUSIVELY are not allowed in China, and you think people would be buying more of them?
>big 3 in negotiations right now
>UAW trying to get COLA back along with huge pay increase
>using current sales numbers for supporting argument
"OY VEY the numbas are going down! We can't pay you COLA. Please you gotta undastand! We're dyin here."
the timing on this stinks.
The Big 3 always negotiate with the UAW in terms of the North American market, not the global market. If it's not profitable domestically, it doesn't get done. Bonuses for example, are always tied to NAM profits, not global.
Americans don’t want American cars anymore either based off the Big 3’s current model lineup, so this is just them playing catchup with the leading superpower.
American cars are pretty shitty, but I'd still take the shittiest American car over any Chinese one.
Well, in the case of buick, you get the worst of both.
>You're selling to a country that flagrantly disregards Intellectual Property.
>You're selling to a country whos populace is fickle and easily led by its authoritarian gov't
>You're selling to a country who's gov't will screw you over with little warning, and little reason.
>You're selling to a country who's home industry will steal, lie, and kill its own workers and customers to get ahead, at your expense.
They were fucking warned. Same goes the dumbass euro brands who thought it was a good idea to export there too. The 2 decades they spent selling to the enemy has only allowed them to leapfrog to their current level.
But enough about America. This is a china thread.
everyone saw what happened to motorola after they were one of the first large western corps in china, then went "nah it'll be different for us"
american cars have been dogshit since the mid 70's
who the fuck has been buying them all this time?
>malaise era is le bad
>no, not the the one that spans 2 decades that we're currently endurinf and up, the 70s
you are the biggest reddit clown ever
when did i ask thoughbeit
The wet dream of the average chinaman is a riced out, overpriced, german SUV/crossover so little surprise there
American cars are useless waste. China needa electric cars and small hybrids.
all these corps that sold out to china are getting their payback. this is what you get for betraying your own.
Too bad if the evil bastards ever actually faced closure they would just be getting bailed out by the peasants at gunpoint. There's just no getting rid of the bastards no matter how disgusting their behavior or how little they give back to the country they owe their existence to.
Btw the reason Japanese vehicles are so beloved in this country is entirely because our domestic giants are fucked up retards that could give a shit less if they sell you, your mom, or anyone you love some loveless hunk of shit built with zero pride or work ethic at all. They get away with it because 1 in 100 vehicles they make are actually worth a shit, just enough to keep up the illusion that they see their customers as people and are capable of giving a shit.
Are Ford and GM finally small enough to fail? I think so! Especially with Tesla picking up their dwindling market shares.
t. Buick fan
Exactly and if not for the Chinese market Buick would’ve died long ago. We should’ve kept Pontiac instead
I want American companies to produce cars for Americans, half of the domestic cars sold in the states are designed in a way that appeases the Chinese masses first, Americans second. If that changes, they will eventually offer cars designed for Americans solely.
I want American cars to not be hunks of shit. I am honestly tired of recommending jap cars for people that need something reliable.
I agree, I have several jap cars but it hurts me that I can't in clear conscious recommend a domestic economy car when I know it'll have some bullshit issues later. An older one? Yes, America made plenty of good beaters in the 2000s, but not anymore.
Those are the SUVs and pickups, anon.
Americans want pickup trucks, and American companies sell plenty of those
Good, hopefully we can finally be ride of the giant grills they love so much.
China actually wants American luxury sedans of all things, something that Americans apparently don't even want. Cadillac CT6/Buick Regal and now even the Lincoln Zephyr are all China-market only models.
>Jeans
>Luxury
To a lot of Chinese, anything vaguely “Western” is associated with luxury
Not just Chinese, Asian countries in general get very westaboo. Always a "grass is greener" thing no matter where you live
freedom is a luxury. chinks will never know.
Correction: China doesn't want non-Tesla American cars anymore
Correction
>China's government, in an attempt to harm the US economy, will no longer allow for the import of American brands. Status brands from Europe are still fine.
>it's bad news for ford and gm
>they no longer have to make dumpster fire cars that are designed purely to appease chinks
No old person drives buick anymore in the US, no one would fucking notice if Buick dissolved overnight