CAUCASUS

What role did the Caucasus play in Human history?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They were completely irrelevant except for Stalin. They spent their time as conquered people or vassals.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >They spent their time as conquered people or vassals.
      completely untrue besides late middle ages, and even then you had ichkeria, the kingdom of georgia and the avar khanate, just goes to show youre uneducated on the topic

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I went on vacation there and had a fun time, so thats pretty cool.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      what was it like?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Cheap booze and food, cool history, good company, and nice scenery. Great time.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The women?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They won’t frick you and you’re too scared to get it anyway.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Some attractive some babushkas and everything inbetween

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    its all recorded in their ilesh epic poetry, of which there are thousands, many dating back to antiquity

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Literally only thing people know about Caucasus is Khabib nurmagamodeov is from there

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They fathered the Arabs and the Indo-Europeans.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Is this true?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yes

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        yes, but indirectly

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No but they mothered the Indo-Europeans

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          how do you explain CHG paternal lineages in yamnaya cultures? steppe anatolian farmers? holy cope. uyghurs are like 60% exogenous J2a

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yamnay had no J, J has never been found in Yamnaya. Yamnaya had CHG mtDNA though.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            He's referring to EHG and Khvalynsk that had J

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They're extinct J lineages

            derivative cultures definitely as compared to corded ware, west eurasian lineages on the steppe are overwhelmingly J followed by R1a, also how do you explain u5 being the second most common mtdna in the caucasus?

            Which ones? J has never been found in corded ware

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >extinct
            subclades couldnt even be derived, moron, its J either way, cope

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            J has never been found in corded ware

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >They're extinct J lineages
            Nope they're still found in modern europe

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Nope

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Nope. Northern remains of EHG with J1 have J1 descendants in Finland.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Finland is like 0% J1, wanna try again?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Finland is like 0% J1
            Obviously you are a low IQ moron, but the tested DNA exists and contradicts your statement.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Nope

            Nobody cares, we're talking about history, not about prehistoric people who lived 12,000 years ago or whatever and who have left nothing behind

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            derivative cultures definitely as compared to corded ware, west eurasian lineages on the steppe are overwhelmingly J followed by R1a, also how do you explain u5 being the second most common mtdna in the caucasus?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            There is no CHG mtDNA found in Yamnaya. There is only one clade that could be CHG. On the flipside there is clear steppe mtDNA found even in Copper and Bronze age Caucasus samples

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Both a U4 and H native to the Caucasus from the Mesolithic and early Neolithic (pre IE) are found in Yamnaya and CWC. K which is truly native to the Caucasus and shared with Iranian HGs is also found in Steppe and modern Europe.
            We have sex with the women you worship Abdul.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Did yamnaya have G?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Lol no. G(Georgian) was widespread among the people they subjugated and pilliged.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Then how come North Caucasians have G? R is pure Russian larp

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            G is mostly prominent among Georgians and Neolithic Anatolia farmers. The inventors of agriculture who colonized southern and Eastern europe and the population in which most euros get a plurality of their ancestry from. Euros are mostly ancient Georgians.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        N_Iran put J in Proto-Arabs and other Nafiris

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      N_Iran put J in Proto-Arabs and other Nafiris

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        A population related to N_Iran also gave a ton of ancestry to modern day Indians around 9000 BCE and certainly by 4000 BCE

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Anatolian paternalside was G before Iranians replaced it with J

          brutal

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            worse anatolian paternal side was c before it got replaced with g2a2a

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Satsurblia(G)-->AHG(G)-->NAF(J)

            neolithic anatolians are total losers, there is almost no G in Iranians while J is main component from Iran to Greece

            yikes

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            neolithic anatolians did okay it was their mesolithic anatolian ancestors who completely failed and got wiped out paternally

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They were the bussy slaves of the Russians and the Turks and supplied the Russian and Turk empires with a steady stream of bussy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This, they were the mothers of Ottoman Sultans after they got tired of Balkan pussy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Nowadays its the other way around. Kavkaz men are busy fricking Russian women

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Thats a cope, completely opposite, Georgians and Armenians dominated Ottoman administration, Russian military ranks and mostly Persian court. Same goes with Soviet union.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn’t iron working invented around there?
    Besides that uhhh
    Azeri oil?
    Armenian merchants?
    Circassians being cucked?

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They gave linguists aneurysms which is pretty based IMO

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      How so?

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    PIE were from around there. They raped all of Europe and most of South Asia.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Well Europe for sure. We can tell because R haplogroups are super common across Europe. Except for some exceptions like I1, I2, and so on.
      With South Asia it's more complicated. We see R but there are also a shit ton of pre indo european yDNA like H, J, T, L, etc

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        IE language comes from there

        R1b in europe is from WHG via bell beaker, not the yamnaya r1b

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >R1b in europe is from WHG via bell beaker, not the yamnaya r1b
          wrong

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            post source then

            LMAO

            lmao

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Well Europe for sure. We can tell because R haplogroups are super common across Europe. Except for some exceptions like I1, I2, and so on.
      With South Asia it's more complicated. We see R but there are also a shit ton of pre indo european yDNA like H, J, T, L, etc

      PIE was from Germany. Not the Caucasus.
      India only has pre-PIE because PIE raped Pakis and those Pakis would rape the rest of India.
      While in Europe R didn’t rape, they settled and replaced.
      In India it was pure rape and the pakis weren’t as strong as their forefathers.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >farmer mutt cope
        Euros are just as much subjugated mutts genetically as Indians. At least Indians are aware of their myscegenated mixed race status unlike Euros who are still in denial of being mutts.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Northern Europeans are over half steppe and of the people who settled North Europe they are 80% their similar.
          There are even some euros with less farmer than Yamnaya and CWC.
          Europeans ARE steppe. Indians are not even half steppe. They are gigamutt

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Like a mestizo trying to convince himself of his Spanish heritage.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >and of the people who settled North Europe they are 80% their similar.
            how are they similar to steppe people if they are only 50% steppe? keep coping about being a halfbreed, north euros even carry siberian dna

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            also nordic bronze age people, iron age scandinavia up until the vikings and until now, were farmers who lived in farms and also fished.
            no steppe culture, no nothing. The genetic profile of modern northern europeans developed in a farmer culture and they were farmers since their genetic profile appeared

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Siberian 0.75 Pct
            I have this much

            My closest relative has this much
            >Siberian 1.14 Pct

            Show your GEDMATCH results. Georgians are more Siberian Aryan gigachad than you

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        LMAO

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Northern Europeans are over half steppe and of the people who settled North Europe they are 80% their similar.
        There are even some euros with less farmer than Yamnaya and CWC.
        Europeans ARE steppe. Indians are not even half steppe. They are gigamutt

        >Northern Europeans are over half steppe and of the people who settled North Europe they are 80% their similar.
        Most europeans are less than 50% steppe but overwhelmingly have Indo European haplogroups R1a and R1b. The maternal lineages are almost all pre IE, which tends to be the case everywhere in Eurasia.

        >While in Europe R didn’t rape, they settled and replaced.
        They literally genocided an entire race of blond hair blue eyed farmers and we have archeological evidence to prove it.
        But in India we see the total opposite. There is a gradual transition from the Late Harappa to Cemetery H pottery in material culture. In terms of genetics, we see a very large portion of pre-IE paternal haplogroups, meaning Indus and tribal men were passing on their genes.
        The light features we see in Europeans today are relatively recent and the product of selective rape of light women by dark men. Alleles for light hair and eyes are very closely related to female samples and not male samples.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        PIE was from Romania/Bulgaria but the Germanic branches proliferated after spreading from there.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        PIE invaded Germany and raped European women.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    the balkans but its in asia

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No role, they hid in their mountains, and were sold as slaves overseas by the Byzantines, Venetians, Genoese, Seljuks, Mongols, Ottomans, etc.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Then why are they acting like they are the most powerful people in Russia in 2022?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        they have to make up for it

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty much nothing, they didn’t even know what organs were in the 15th century

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Caucasians (Circassians mostly) ruled Egypt and Syria during the Burjid era of the Mamluk sultanate.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Georgians ruled Iraq I believe in the 17th or 18th century. A lot of Georgians and Armenians occupied most high positions in the Iranian government since like 1600s. Georgians and Armenians were also significantly halting Turkic efforts into Anatolia.

      Oldest honey, oldest wine, oldest gold mine are in Georgia. Potentially the cradle of iron smithing is also in Georgia, in Colchis. Greeks would say that Georgian tribes had the strongest iron.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Can I have more information on Georgians ruling Iraq?
        Recently they discovered that an ancestor of a Pasha in Iraq that did a DNA test had the same exact hablogroup as the Palavandishvili prince that took the DNA test. Every letter being exactly the same

        How did the Palavandishvili princely family of Georgia end up as Pashas in Iraq?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk_dynasty_(Iraq)
          Hasan Pasha, a Georgian-born Mamluk, was appointed to Baghdad to govern. His son, Ahmad would inherit his position, and continue his father's work as an effective administrator, curtailing local unruly elements and taxing well, whilst filling more and more positions in the various eyelets of Ottoman Iraq with either Georgian or Circassian Mamluks, or the Jalili Dynasty in Mosul (Armenian converts). When Ahmad died, his son-in-law, Sulayman Abu Layla Pasha, used the 2k strong 'Georgian Guard' to march from Basra to Baghdad and have himself made the first-recognised Pasha of Iraq, and he would be the first to court the outside world, allowing Omani and British merchants to set up shop in Basra.
          Skip to the early 17th Century, with Sultan Mahmud II now shitting himself at the lack of control he has over his realm, with virtually no power in North Africa, barely defeating Ali Pasha of Ioannina's rebellion, losing the Greek War of Independence, and with Iraq now nominally apart of the empire as much as Algiers and Egypt are. Dawud Pasha, a great modernizer ruled generally well, had been ordered to stand down in 1829 by the Sultan, but had the emissary killed. Two years later, in April, the bubonic plague ravaged Iraq, and just as the Bosnian Uprising was crushed, Ottoman troops rolled into Iraq and put an end to the Mamluk Dynasty, four months before the Egyptian Invasion of Syria.
          >How did the Palavandishvili princely family of Georgia end up as Pashas in Iraq?
          Probably related to one of the members who apostized after remaining in Samtskhe after the Ottoman conquest. Most members fled but those who remained became Muslims, and some were taken as Mamluks and Janissaries.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Interesting thank you.
            This is what he said when he was emailed about it.
            "Thank you for your email, our family are descendants of Hassan Pasha and Ahmed Pasha in Baghdad""

            BP16254 Palavandishvili Prince Palavandishvili: Kartli, Kareli, Knolevi, Georgia G-M201 13 23 15 10 16-16 11 12 10 12 10 28 16 9-9 11 11 24 16 21 29 13-14-14-14 10 10 21-21 14 15 14 18 35-37 12 10
            N50556 Al-Mumayiz Iraq G-FGC1160 13 23 15 10 16-16 11 12 10 12 10 28 16 9-9 11 11 24 16 21 29 13-14-14-14 10 10 21-21 14 15 14 18 35-37 12 10

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The Mamluks laid the foundations of an independent Iraq, however its reintegration into the Ottoman Empire after Dawud Pasha, and the expansion of the Sheikhdom of Kuwait eroded some of this.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Interesting.
            I wonder if Dawud Pasha is their ancestor cause he supposedly married the descendant of Hassan. But Dawud supposedly had the surname of Manvelashvili so I doubt he was a Phalavandishvili.
            Or perhaps they're the male line descendants of Hassan himself

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >A lot of Georgians and Armenians occupied most high positions in the Iranian government since the 1600s.
        No they didn't. Georgians had favored status in the army and so did the Armenians, they never had any major civil roles in the Safavids or later dynasties in Iran.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Georgia seems to be most relevant in the region in any aspect I can think of.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Invented farming and civilization. Ancestors of Euros.
    Quite a lot believe or not.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You're thinking or Iraq or Israel, not of those troglodytes

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >implying caucus people aren't descendents of Hatti and Hurrians
        They were there from the beginning

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Israel is a European colony that's not older than 100 years old, schizo

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Thats where noahs ark landed after the great flood supposedly. That's why people call Europeans Arabs and Indians Caucasians/Aryans

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Reserve for tribes of losers.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    eternal buffer states

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Quite backwards, They never saw an organ in the 15th century

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Georgians like claiming that russian women want them really badly. is there any truth to this. or is it muh dick tier cope?
    Georgians complain about Armenians stealing their history. But Georgians also do this we wuzzery.

    It seems both Armenians and Georgians like to exaggerate the antiquity of their countries to over compensate for how small they are.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      georgians and armenians are some of the ugliest people ive ever seen

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If you see the vast majority of the Georgians that have taken DNA tests online. Google them. Most of them have Anatolian (turk) ancestry. And they come up with all sorts of cope to explain this. Claiming "georgians were le kidnapped"
    Same when Georgians get results in Iran. "we wuz le kidnapped"
    WE ARE WHITE EUROPEANS.
    Remember the incident recently where some woman on Twitter from Georgia said Georgia should be in the European Union cause its christian and white.
    Only Georgians say stuff like this. Or the blue eyed incident
    Georgians are asian white nationalists

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Turks love doing the same thing "WE ARE LE EUROPEANS"

      Oof seems a little butthurt buddy. How does it feel knowing that the Minoan and etruscans were basically island maritime georgians who got their ydna haplogroups completely displaced by Siberian steppe nomads.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        So why were Minoans J2?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          My bad Island Azeris and Chechens

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          They weren’t. J was kept around as the pleasgian underclass
          Hellenic Y DNA among elites was leaked. It’s R1b R1a and I1.
          Greek government won’t release anymore because shitskins will get mad.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Are Georgians white?

            ME:
            EUROGENES 36:
            Western European 2.64 Pct
            Siberian 0.75 Pct
            East African 0.28 Pct
            West Central Asian 7.93 Pct
            South Asian 1.22 Pct
            West African -
            Caucasus 52.72 Pct
            Finnish 5.79 Pct
            Mediterranean 15.81 Pct
            Southwest Asian 7.62 Pct
            North European 4.4 Pct
            East Asian 0.83 Pct

            EUROGENES K12B:
            Arabian 1.98 Pct
            Armenian 13.37 Pct
            Central_Euro 1.74 Pct
            East_Med 10.64 Pct
            Fennoscandian 1.94 Pct
            Italian 9.54 Pct
            Near_Eastern 6.99 Pct
            North_Caucasian 26.21 Pct
            South_Central_Asian 2.87 Pct
            West_Caucasian 23.03 Pct
            West_Med 1.68 Pct

            ================================
            My closest relative on GEDMATCH:

            EUROGENES 36:
            Western European 6.65 Pct
            Siberian 1.14 Pct
            East African -
            West Central Asian 10 Pct
            South Asian 0.98 Pct
            West African -
            Caucasus 56.34 Pct
            Finnish 0.47 Pct
            Mediterranean 15.11 Pct
            Southwest Asian 7.7 Pct
            North European 1.59 Pct

            EUROGENES K12B:
            Armenian 9.7 Pct
            East_Balkan 0.58 Pct
            East_Med 13.39 Pct
            French 2 Pct
            Iberian 1.15 Pct
            Indo-Chinese -
            Italian 4.79 Pct
            Near_Eastern 10.83 Pct
            North_Caucasian 25.54 Pct
            South_Central_Asian 3.74 Pct
            West_Caucasian 27.59 Pct
            West_Med 0.7 Pct

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            lazaridis literally reaponded to bronze age pervert about this specifically, completely btfo

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            best part is all the elite greek samples in the iron age are J2 while slaves were i2 and r1b

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            We wuz Alexander n sheit

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            this is literally in the paper, its a fact lmao, you moron

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Turks love doing the same thing "WE ARE LE EUROPEANS"

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    le fiercely resisting warrior tribes trope basically. same as afghanis and basques

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Very backwards, Georgians/Kingdom of Iberia didnt even know What an organ was in 1450 ... maybe Armenians were more advanced tho

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      U said this 3 times. Wheres your source?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        George Sphrantzes’ chronicle

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, so backwards that Georgians even knew how to perfectly goldsmith in 350 BCE and ironsmith in 900 BCE.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        So? So did the Subsaharan Africans that you despise so much. They were still backwards and savage-like.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Not even close, read more. only backwardness manifested in late industrial revolution.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They had not seen an organ in the 1th century yet, this means that while Greece, Latins etc had the expertise to produce those complex instruments for centuries, the Georgians didn't even bother to import them, let alone copy them

            Tell me... who was dominating trade in the Black Sea historically? Greeks, Italians and Catalans or Georgians? They were backwards, they did not live in caves but they were still pretty backwards compared to most of their neighbours, this is a fact.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            *in the 15th century

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            t. armenian

            >Armenians supposedly invented lowercase letters, but the Greeks themselves didn't invent them until the 9th century. >Armenians supposedly invented them in the 5th century.
            >Then they claim Mashtots invented the Georgian alphabet because letters from the Georgian alphabet resembles lower case letters from the Armenian alphabet (that didnt exist yet).

            There is not a single manuscript or inscription with lowercase letters in Armenia before the Greeks invented them much later.

            So if anyone stole those symbols it was the Armenians from the Georgians.

            Georgian inscriptions predate Armenian ones.

            Movses of Korene and others that supposedly existed a long time ago, there is no proof of this. All the manuscripts date from the later medieval era. Even the English wikipedia shows that a western scholar really doubts he existed in that era. Mainly because of anachronisms. But all the Armenian "scholars" seethed. This was conveniently left out in the Armenian language wikipedia

            So, what do we get out of this? It's possible the Armenians modeled their alphabet off the Georgian one.

            The Georgians had the eternity symbol first in Colchis before any Armenian archaeological finds (first one being in the early dark ages). Armenians like to say Colchis wasn't Georgian when everyone agrees they were, even the Armenian wiki says so.

            Meanwhile Armenians like to claim Urartu when their relationship with them is tenuous

            Armenians like to claim Rustaveli when there is no credible source for this, Armenians claim they built Tbilisi when there is no credible source for this

            Armenians like to claim they invented Wine before the Georgians but Georgians have older archaeological evidence for it and everyone knows it.

            Armenians like to also say Abkhazia is not Georgian clay. Abkhazia used the georgian language for over 1000 years, georgian surname suffixes.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            God hates Armenians

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The only thing georgians seemed to copy was byzantine frescos. But georgians didnt have any great painters or artists. Thats why a lot of Bagrationi dont even have portraits. The ones that do were made by European travellers or european painters in the later periods

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            No idea why youre so fixiated on organs so much.
            As for trade, black sea trade wasnt very profitable for Georgians while cooporating with europeans and trading goods trough ports and secondary silk roads was. In Eastern Georgia since Sassanian period, trade hubs manifested and developed, mainly in Tbilisi, which lasted trough Russian empire. Trade on land was main focus, not sea.

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They invented whiteness through art.

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Gone too soon.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Proto indo European came from Ukraine though.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No it didn't, the consensus is it was Maykop now, they keep moving it further east. Stop playing along with this bullshit and admit PIE comes from the Danube civilization.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They were never Romanian gypsies, they were basically slavs.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          They weren't Romanian Gypsies at the time doofus, I don't care about imposing a modern people on the ancient ones.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            PIE come from Ukraine

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Obsessed with transposing the modern inhabitants on the ancient ones
            They were Maykops since you love consensus

            >the consensus
            I'd rather listen to actual papers over IQfy pseudo intellectuals

            All the papers your referencing admit there was a possibility Maykops could have been the source too

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            No, PIE comes from CHG from the Southern Caucasus. That is what the newest science tells us.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            no proof

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Caucasians literally came from the caucus
            Funny how that worked out

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >the consensus
        I'd rather listen to actual papers over IQfy pseudo intellectuals

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        PIE is from North Germany.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >the consensus is it was Maykop now
        no it's not, patterson already gave up on that one.
        The reich lab theory, (which is not consensus) is that the eneolithic CHG pulse in Anatolia and Sredni Stog is the vector for PIE. Maykop is too late for Sredni.
        Here is his presentation. It's worth skipping through.
        https://www.college-de-france.fr/site/lluis-quintana-murci/symposium-2022-05-31-12h00.htm

        It seems to be a very reductionist argument based purely on tracking CHG ancestry but the paper comes out in 2 weeks.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      PIE come from Ukraine

      Pontic Steppe/Urals ! = Ukraine but I guess that's less moronic a take then some snownig claiming Germany.

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Mongol , turk and russian rapetoy

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why does Russia have two Republics for the same ethnicities (Circassians and Balkars)?

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