Catholics derive much of their Papal primacy and then papal infallibility from the verse And I say also unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this ro...

Catholics derive much of their Papal primacy and then papal infallibility from the verse “And I say also unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18). The original Greek uses a feminine demonstrative pronoun which does NOT refer to the person of Peter but to the confession of faith of Peter. If he would have refered to the person of Peter he would have used very different phrasing. This is an implication for ALL believers who profess Christ as their LORD and therefore everyone in the church.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Dirk

    It's also possible he was speaking of mount Hebron

    • 2 weeks ago
      Dirk

      Hermon*

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Peter's confession was about Christ. So by referring to his confession, He was in effect referring back to the subject of that statement.

    "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."
    - 1 Corinthians 10:4

    "And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;"
    - Ephesians 2:20

    "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."
    - 1 Corinthinas 3:11

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Read Galatians 2:9. None of those verses exclude the fact that Peter is being spoken about here. This isn't a black and white issue here. You can accept Matthew 16:18 as being about Peter whilst not being a Papist, you know that right? Many of the Church Father's, who actually spoke Greek, understood this passage that way. This only became controversial when Papists began wrongly using this as proof text for Papal Supremacy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        *Fathers

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Catholics won't care.
    To them tradition trumps scripture.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Catholics btfo, how will they ever recover?

      The Catholic church is older than the Bible. As we say, we are not a church of the Bible, the Bible is a book of the church. It is in this context that such verses are interpreted.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are you saying the Catholic Church can't even read the Bible properly even though it's older than it?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >catholic church is older than the Bible
        >Moses literally wrote the first five books of the Bible
        ???????

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Bible =/= Sacred Scripture
          Moses wrote Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers. yet the Bible is not just those 5 books.
          The Bible is the collection of all Sacred Scripture which didn't exist in the first century, second century or third century. That doesn't mean Sacred Scripture did not exist but just that what we consider "the Bible" did not exist until the Catholic Church decided what the books were in the 4th century (NOT AT TRENT). Even the term Bible to refer to the NT wasn't used until Chrysostom and he's 4th century.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Catholics btfo, how will they ever recover?

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's clearly a pun on Peter's name that is being connected with the Church, i.e. Jesus is saying Peter will be a foundation stone for the Church. Jesus uses puns in other places in the NT too, John 3:3 is a good example of that. This was a common didactic technique used by other Rabbis of the time as well, and there's also puns all over the place in other israeli literature including in the Old Testament in Hebrew. Matthew makes a pun of out Jesus's home town of Nazareth (Matthew 2:23). So you're not necessarily wrong, but you're making an negative inference fallacy by excluding the plain reading that Jesus is clearly speaking about Peter here, the first part of the verse wouldn't make sense if Jesus wasn't refering to Peter here. This was pretty clear to Greek speakers at the time. I'm not a Papist, I'm Orthodox btw.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it was a pun
      how strange, Jesus spoke in aramaic but the pun only works in Greek........

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well how do you know the pun wouldn't work in Aramaic? We don't know the original Aramaic statement, and it's kinda irrelevant here. What's relevant here is the Greek text and what the Apostle decided to construct out of the Greek to convey the original meaning that Jesus intended when he spoke Aramaic. Once again, Jesus uses puns in other places in the NT as well, which are in Greek but which are clearly intended to be puns, this isn't the only example.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >i.e. Jesus is saying Peter will be a foundation stone for the Church
      Peter founded the Antiochean church. Does that mean the bishop of Antioch is also supreme and infallible?
      >inb4 no because Antioch was captured by Muslims and for some reason that means that the church died there even though Constantinople was also captured by Muslims but that's different blah blah blah

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Did you not read anything that I actually wrote?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          read?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Peter died in Rome. His office therefore transfered to his successor in Rome. Had Peter returned and died in Antioch, that city would be the headquarters of the Papacy today.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Catholics are the Goddesses and Gods.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i like these retards reeing and squirming against the r1b master and their church.
    they won’t end until r1b says they end

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >which does NOT refer to the person of Peter but to the confession of faith of Peter.
    It's still the person of Peter making that confession initially, and it is to this person that the unique charism of the keys is given. By focusing on the confession alone, you miss entirely the interplay between the title of Peter and the word for rock. Simon is here personally referred to as Peter; in other words, it is the person of Peter which is also like the foundation of faith.

    Please don't denegrate the saints by associating them with profane images of flavour of the month memes.

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