i advise anyone in this thread to stop after reading the first book and just enjoy the ride. do NOT read Fall. you will be disappointed and by the end you will hate mr. simmons.
The consul was a cool character but his tory kind of sucked. Detective was a huge disappointment because a detective story in that setting should have been great but it was very bad.
i just didn't give a shit about kassad at all and found his character to be extremely uninteresting, thus his story the worst. although he had some cool fight scenes. i loved the consul's tale because of the themes and world building - expanding on time debt and consequences of farcasters
detective wasn't great but lamia had a personality so better than soldier. also the cyberhacking neuromancer rip-off stuff was cool. glad we're in agreement about based father dure though
>just enjoy the ride. do NOT read Fall. you will be disappointed and by the end you will hate mr. simmons.
Simmons is a israelite isnt he?
- portrays israelites as saviors and heros
- disgusting sex scenes
- flying furries who teach dumb humans about superior pacifist moral values and hippi culture
- church controls people with a cross shaped (mind) virus/parasite
i just didn't give a shit about kassad at all and found his character to be extremely uninteresting, thus his story the worst. although he had some cool fight scenes. i loved the consul's tale because of the themes and world building - expanding on time debt and consequences of farcasters
detective wasn't great but lamia had a personality so better than soldier. also the cyberhacking neuromancer rip-off stuff was cool. glad we're in agreement about based father dure though
The fricking during battles scenes made the soldier's story, the ending was kinda obvious though
It was the other way around. Endymion was all over the place. Soya was the only cjaracter honding the story together. The Rise of Endymion was a better novel, but it skipped many interesting things and we got too much padding on the architecture parts. At least the ending was kind of cool.
>rise was a trainwreck
No it wasn't. The climax was perfect and really couldn't have gone any other way given how it was foreshadowed as early as Fall of Hyperion iirc, certain minor issues with continuity and trivia aside (Aenea's age having been miscalculated by the author at the end or whether the farcasters had actually "worked" etc.) Endymion as a road of trials type story is great fun, but ultimately serves to set up and give flesh to that conclusion and justify the action of the MCs. Rise completes the series in a glorious way
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I'm not arguing that the ending was full of plot holes or that it wasn't foreshadowed. The issue is they spent like 300 pages in the the temple of hanging air, so the book feels way more constrained than endymion, which is more of an adventure.
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I guess the underlying perennialist and Zen themes of the story called for some mystical Eastern setting
this one pissed me off. cool setting but it was ruined by relentless fourth wall breaking references to 20th century media as well as way too much monkey shit(sex).
the book is riddled with references to historical events and quoted many historical authors. too many of these fell into the 19th and 20th centuries and some seemed unrealistic to be quotable by the time of the book's setting. this is what I remember feeling after reading this like a decade ago, I don't remember specifics other than the obvious presence of keats and the mein kampf reference.
Ok so no examples other than Keats and Hitler, famous 20th century media creators
1 year ago
Anonymous
there were dozens. this isn't a bible debate, it's a toilet paper book. I'm not opening it up.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Ok cool m8 I was just wondering why would someone who read the book a decade ago and remembers nothing it would voice his opinion on it
Apparently, the answer is seethe.
1 year ago
Anonymous
dan? sorry, I would have been more polite if I knew you wrote this.
when most of the lit would realistically be forgotten by that time, yes.
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And it is, did you read Poet's story? Hegemony citizens do not read, Sad King Billy's grand project of creating silicon valley for arthoes failed even before Shrike shrekt everyone. The only characters to reference literary figures are Silenus (poet by trade and the oldest human in history), Weintraub (academic israelite), and TechnoCore cybrids who just recreated notable people from history as a fun challenge for their GPT-10 engine
1 year ago
Anonymous
You should learn how to read
1 year ago
Anonymous
is this an elementary school playground? eat poop, fartknocker.
Hyperion is really one big book but for publishing purposes they split it into two parts
The first part is the characters telling their stories of why they are going to the planet
the second part is what happens once they get there, unraveling its mysteries, confronting the shriek, etc
>time paradox pedophilia and magic AI cyber ghosts were the answer all along.
More like love creates it's own plane of existence that transcends spacetime. It's a theme in speculative physics that's not that farfetched. Hell, the CIA was working on Gateway experience and altered state shit in the 70s that only recently got declassified
does it have to be anything else?
I guess not
I bought a copy of The Canterbury Tales today. It was only £4.99
You didn't read Canterbury Tales, did you? Cause these two have nothing in common aside from "travellers on the road share stories" premise.
Conversely, I read The Canterbury Tales and didn't read Hyperion.
yes
Its also about israelites and weird modern philosophy.
i advise anyone in this thread to stop after reading the first book and just enjoy the ride. do NOT read Fall. you will be disappointed and by the end you will hate mr. simmons.
Priest > Consul = Scholar > Poet > Detective > Soldier
Objectively wrong.
Priest > scholar > poet ~= consul > soldier >>>>>>> detective
The consul was a cool character but his tory kind of sucked. Detective was a huge disappointment because a detective story in that setting should have been great but it was very bad.
i just didn't give a shit about kassad at all and found his character to be extremely uninteresting, thus his story the worst. although he had some cool fight scenes. i loved the consul's tale because of the themes and world building - expanding on time debt and consequences of farcasters
detective wasn't great but lamia had a personality so better than soldier. also the cyberhacking neuromancer rip-off stuff was cool. glad we're in agreement about based father dure though
>just enjoy the ride. do NOT read Fall. you will be disappointed and by the end you will hate mr. simmons.
Simmons is a israelite isnt he?
- portrays israelites as saviors and heros
- disgusting sex scenes
- flying furries who teach dumb humans about superior pacifist moral values and hippi culture
- church controls people with a cross shaped (mind) virus/parasite
Filtered.
no
The fricking during battles scenes made the soldier's story, the ending was kinda obvious though
>ive read just enough to get whats being referenced
i got my hopes up. whack
yeah and its overrated tripe.
A dude fricks an ancient murder demon made of swords and jizzes on a corpse what more do you dorks WANT
umm not that?
Whatever dude
Consul's Tale > Scholar's > Priest's > Soldier's > Poet's > Detective's
Based. Consul's tale is kino. Don't even care that Hyperion gets really hammy.
>Huckleberry Finn in space
That's it?
do they say it
Sorry, space is for whites only (and token Asians).
Ah yes, the occasional token asian disposable manufacturing thrall
Funny you say it considering Hyperion barely has any whites in it
Better than the first 2
This so much this Endymion is the best and it only gets hate because rise was a trainwreck.
It was the other way around. Endymion was all over the place. Soya was the only cjaracter honding the story together. The Rise of Endymion was a better novel, but it skipped many interesting things and we got too much padding on the architecture parts. At least the ending was kind of cool.
>rise was a trainwreck
No it wasn't. The climax was perfect and really couldn't have gone any other way given how it was foreshadowed as early as Fall of Hyperion iirc, certain minor issues with continuity and trivia aside (Aenea's age having been miscalculated by the author at the end or whether the farcasters had actually "worked" etc.) Endymion as a road of trials type story is great fun, but ultimately serves to set up and give flesh to that conclusion and justify the action of the MCs. Rise completes the series in a glorious way
I'm not arguing that the ending was full of plot holes or that it wasn't foreshadowed. The issue is they spent like 300 pages in the the temple of hanging air, so the book feels way more constrained than endymion, which is more of an adventure.
I guess the underlying perennialist and Zen themes of the story called for some mystical Eastern setting
has nobody read the Decameron
It's about NotInternet making people lazy.
this one pissed me off. cool setting but it was ruined by relentless fourth wall breaking references to 20th century media as well as way too much monkey shit(sex).
oh and I forgot, it also whined about the holocaust at one point. can't stand israelites.
>relentless fourth wall breaking references to 20th century media
???
Name some, I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about
the book is riddled with references to historical events and quoted many historical authors. too many of these fell into the 19th and 20th centuries and some seemed unrealistic to be quotable by the time of the book's setting. this is what I remember feeling after reading this like a decade ago, I don't remember specifics other than the obvious presence of keats and the mein kampf reference.
Ok so no examples other than Keats and Hitler, famous 20th century media creators
there were dozens. this isn't a bible debate, it's a toilet paper book. I'm not opening it up.
Ok cool m8 I was just wondering why would someone who read the book a decade ago and remembers nothing it would voice his opinion on it
Apparently, the answer is seethe.
dan? sorry, I would have been more polite if I knew you wrote this.
>quoting literature
>fourth wall breaking
Oh… oh man. Oh no. Oh you’re stupid.
when most of the lit would realistically be forgotten by that time, yes.
And it is, did you read Poet's story? Hegemony citizens do not read, Sad King Billy's grand project of creating silicon valley for arthoes failed even before Shrike shrekt everyone. The only characters to reference literary figures are Silenus (poet by trade and the oldest human in history), Weintraub (academic israelite), and TechnoCore cybrids who just recreated notable people from history as a fun challenge for their GPT-10 engine
You should learn how to read
is this an elementary school playground? eat poop, fartknocker.
There's a quite a few direct references to the Wizard of Oz throughout the series
Scholar > priest > poet > soldier > consul > detective >>> templar (you'd know if you've read the Rise of Endymion)
redpill take from reading until the end: Endymion >>>> any individual pilgrims' stories
agreed except i might tend to switch priest and scholar
I absolutely hated the poet but ended up liking his story
Why
Hyperion is really one big book but for publishing purposes they split it into two parts
The first part is the characters telling their stories of why they are going to the planet
the second part is what happens once they get there, unraveling its mysteries, confronting the shriek, etc
>unraveling its mysteries
kek. time paradox pedophilia and magic AI cyber ghosts were the answer all along.
>time paradox pedophilia and magic AI cyber ghosts were the answer all along.
More like love creates it's own plane of existence that transcends spacetime. It's a theme in speculative physics that's not that farfetched. Hell, the CIA was working on Gateway experience and altered state shit in the 70s that only recently got declassified
What about some MORE John Keats?