I only ask because I have very little dating experience, and although I will probably be looksmaxxed within the next 2.5-3 months (I am currently 26), I still worry if I will be too old to attract the age range of the girls I am interested in. More so, I will not be over 6ft tall until I am 28 to 29, and it is a perfectly reasonable to think I will not have found my soulmate by then. As for why I pick this age range, it has to do with romantic compatibility, expectations, sexual experience, etc. most girls I will be highly compatible with overall will be married by 25, so girls my own age are increasingly going to be untenable as dating options.
I am somewhere in the top 5 percent of guys my age in terms of career and salary, am getting a masters degree in physics and engineering, work at a fairly prestigious place, etc. Facially, I am considered somewhere around an 8.5/10 with thick, black hair and a very muscular physique. I would appreciate any input here. Thanks.
Pic related is apparently my ideal waifu.
first of all
you aren't that handsome
if so post pic on soc
second of all you are in love with a pink hedgehog and ywnhaphgf
I have posted it on soc and was given a face rating in the 7-9 range. I do not do it anymore, because last time it happened, I got doxxed. But here is what attractiveness ai says.
>he believed a bunch of deranged trannies and a literal robot that calls everyone and their left ballsacks attractive
retard
I can. Not sure about you though.
i'm not gonna read your post your subject is more than enough that i can reply with a resounding yes, if anything older guys are seen as more mature and thus more attractive, even if you're a slob with no accomplishments you can still bullshit an image of being a guy that knows his shit and get into her pants before she wises up
I should note I am interested in romance and not sleeping around.
well then go woo one of those serious girls that don't smile a lot and you'll have a clingy retarded immature girl in no time
make sure to pick a really cute one cause you're gonna get sick of her anyway
> serious girls that don't smile a lot and you'll have a clingy retarded immature girl in no time
Unironically sounds perfect. I would relish the chance to finally go full romantic.
Okay, then you do not have to believe me idc
At 20 I looked like 40
From the rigid and mechanical detail of your OP and your stated preference for romance over sex you've indicated that you have autism. It will be a steep, uphill battle for you if you don't get that in check. More Klingon, less Vulcan. People want to feel, not think.
People have sex with each other before they share their secrets and get personal. That's just the way it goes in 202X. The window for a slow burn romance based primarily on personal characteristics closes after high school. You're going to have to bite the bullet and fuck them for about a month before they open up. If you don't make an attempt they'll feel like you aren't attracted. Society's been psyop'd.
Look deep in your heart I assure you that it's true for you too. You've certainly got secrets and personal insecurities that would rather not be shared. If you're honest with yourself, you'd admit that you'd rather fuck someone you met a couple weeks ago then share those secrets with them. Sex is less uncomfortable than truly opening up and being personal, and expecting that is a very big ask from someone who won't even fuck them.
The way you get strong connections is by "fishing". You go to social events where women are, and wait for one to introduce themselves. If you're at least a WheatWaffles 6 you will get passive attention from at least one of them every month or so. They'll find some element of your appearance appealing and talk to you. By waiting for them to say hey first you establish a baseline level of interest and investment from them. If you have to go out and make your sales pitch you really don't have an eager prospect that's all too interested. They shouldn't need convincing to say "hi" to you first.
I'm 35 and rarely go out alone. Still get passive attention every now and again when I do.
The problem is I am waiting until marriage for sex and would not want a girl who sees no problem with fornication. That is, coincidentally, why I am going after girls in that age range of 18-22 (with some exceptions ofc for girls who meet my standards above those ages).
all young girls are whores retard
is that what u want? used up pussyyyy
The chances of finding a sweet, hopelessly romantic virgin waiting until marriage is more like in the 18-22 age bracket than 25-30.
No, they're both the same. Zero.
It is probably 10 percent of girls 18-22 (rather than maybe 0.5 percent of those 25-30).
>Self reported statistics
>Implying that the population of "virgins" includes just sappy romantics that turned down offers, and not just ones who were poor candidates that never received an offer in the first place.
>Included within the 10% are girls who think blowjobs don't count
>Included in the 10% are Catholic and Mormon girls who utilized the "Poophole Loophole"
Here's the thing. You have autism. This means you are blind and ignorant to how people are and how the world really is. The social dynamic I am reporting to you is nothing new. There are slang terms for these sexually immoral behaviors.
Again, make your own choices. Just don't cry about the consequences. You were warned. Just know that raw data never tells a complete picture, and studies in the social sciences always have social agendas.
>Here's the thing. You have autism. This means you are blind and ignorant to how people are and how the world really is
The thing is I do not care. I know my worldview and way of living is the right way. I would fight until my last bloody, screeching, dying breath against overwhelming odds taking down as many vile miscreants as possible before succumbing to their vile, poisonous drivel.
If you do not have advice, then I do not know why you are posting. I would expect you at least would try giving me the most reasonable possible compromise that you think I might accept, but you are not even trying that.
Yeah, that is why I spent the past ten years leveling up my game in every way I could possibly envision (looks, money, status, social skills, etc.)
>I don't care
Once again, you don't need to give me this information. We've already established that you don't see care. You're autistic. Every time you think you're providing new information about why you're a special use case, you're just further confirming what I already know. You've got all the autistic traits that will keep you from success unless you shake them off. That's why I prefaced my original post in such a manner.
I already know you don't care about social norms, other people, or any kind of objective truth that conflicts with your biases or what you want to be true. Your autistic. That's what people with autism do.
My advice was laid out in plain English here
and here
. You either adapt your gameplay, or you come to terms with the fact that you will fail and die alone.
I am completely and totally unwilling to have sex before marriage, period. I would kill a hundred people in cold blood before compromising on that. And if the world is that far gone, then you have only motivated me to help hasten its bloody demise.
I do not think we are from different worlds at all. I still feel like I am 16. I cannot accept I have missed my opportunity. I would be forced to do whatever I can to violently annihilate this pathetic civilization if that is the case.
I don't get what you're going for. Do you think it's edgy when for an autist to claim they will kill other people? Like, dude. That once again comes with the territory of being autistic. You don't empathize or relate to other people. They don't mean anything to you, so your alleged willingness to kill them means nothing. It's not some sign of personal conviction or dedication to kill something that doesn't even register as human to you.
You're going to die alone. You deserve it. Not much else to be said, but I'm having a damn good time repeating it. Hopefully the less mentally fucked up autists see my posts and can extract some value of it.
> I still feel like I am 16
LMAO. Again. You don't need to tell us that. We've already established that you have autism and are effectively a child, mentally speaking. A emotionally stunted, socially undeveloped child.
You need to understand that I do not compromise on any of my ambitions, period, no matter how seemingly bombastic or quixotic. I would rather be crucified a hundred times over.
Once again, I said that's fine. Get comfortable with dying alone. This will be the outcome. Know that you had a chance to salvage something and someone tried to help you, but your ego wouldn't let you compromise to get a better net result.
It's been fun, but I've got some social obligations. I'll leave you with one final concession that will increase your odds of success from 0% to 5-10.
You might be able to get a girl who will wait to have sex with YOU until you're married. They'll still have had cocks inside them (even the virgins put them in their mouths and assholes to preserve virginity), but your relationship will be "pure" and your marriage based on "love" and not lust.
That's about as good as you can hope. I wouldn't gamble on it. Part of being ambitious means being able to accept the best outcome possible.
I can only ever accept one outcome, mine. Again, all you are saying is that every human in western civilization needs to be brutally euthanized. If that is what you are saying, then just come right out with it. I someone else can fulfill my goal, then that means I need to be able to by right.
>Yeah, that is why I spent the past ten years leveling up my game in every way I could possibly envision (looks, money, status, social skills, etc.)
You use the word "Game". You do understand that this is a term used to describe the social "game" of manipulation and seduction, right? As in not the "game" of having a proper, deep, emotional, interpersonal romance with someone. The game of convincing a woman to sleep with you.
You fucked it up. You levelled all the wrong stats. You did all the things a superficial, gold digging whore would want (theoretically, but not in practice). It should not surprise you that this doesn't work if you're looking for pure romance. Pure romance isn't some fucking "game".
I use the game loosely to describe my skillset, not PUA. I have worked tirelessly on quitting my vices and improving my character, but I would suspect I am (and probably have been since middle school) a massive catch in terms of being a loving, romantic, caring partner.
no it's not. when theyre 18-22 theyre gonna be doing school or working on themselves and they're gonna look for a man at like 25. that's why a lot of 27 yr old female virgins exist
27 year old female virgins aren't hopeless romantics that turned down bad offers. They're irredeemables that got no offers.
I do not know a single girl my age who meets my standards in that regard. Well, I know one, but she is kind of a psycho with really weird requirements who thinks the pope is evil (I.e. not really compatible with me).
That window closed in high school. You will die alone if you don't abandon that ambition.
Dead fucking serious. A good buddy of mine was just like you and didn't listen to me. He doesn't hang out anymore. Seeing my children makes him depressed knowing he won't have anywhere near the life I do.
I cannot marry a girl who sees no problem with sex before marriage, sorry. I can compromise on the virgin requirement if she is truly repentant and makes up for it in other ways, but that is it. Sorry.
I have autism and approached girls all the time in elementary, junior high, and high school with no luck. You cannot really expect me to compromise just because I had no luck before. I find the idea of sex before marriage or with multiple people extremely disgusting.
Yeah, you don't have to tell me that you have autism. I already deduced that from your posts.
>You cannot really expect me to compromise
You're right. I don't expect you to compromise. I expect you to die alone because you won't compromise. I just want to rob you of your ignorance before the reaper takes you. You had a choice, you had warning. The consequences are something you'll have to own.
>had no luck before
Were you unlucky, or were you focusing on other things in high school while the pure girls were getting scooped up?
Luck is never an excuse, because you could have always rolled more dice and made more attempts. If you turned your nose up at even a single opportunity your result is in part due to your own negligence.
>You're right. I don't expect you to compromise. I expect you to die alone because you won't compromise. I just want to rob you of your ignorance before the reaper takes you. You had a choice, you had warning. The consequences are something you'll have to own.
I cannot abide by that, either. I do not compromise on any of my goals, ever. They are required to happen by any and all means necessary, licit or otherwise. I would rather every human on Earth die before not completing this goal; it is how I am and always will be.
>
Were you unlucky, or were you focusing on other things in high school while the pure girls were getting scooped up?
I approached girls all the time, fell in love, had serious crushes, etc. but they were never reciprocated. Parents have very poor advice on the matter.
>Were you unlucky, or were you focusing on other things in high school while the pure girls were getting scooped up?
This was supposed to be greentexted.
>They didn't reciprocate
But you did everything perfectly. Uh huh. Sure thing pal. If you did everything perfectly and still lost then that means you're a loser. You will continue to be a loser until you can learn from your mistakes, take in outside information that doesn't immediately conform to your existing biases and improve.
This. I'm attracting halfway decent 18yo girls at 30 now and my OLD photos are still trash. Life is weird.
I'm 35 and think I hit peak attractiveness around 25-26. Still looked young but less gangly and awkward than at 18 and had grown into my face better.
It's basically completely over if you are 30 year old white guy.
they age like dogshit.
Being 30 for a White man is like being a 45 year old black/asian man
Yes, but I wouldn't advise it. That age range is riddled with immaturity, and they change a lot as people. Personally, I don't date below 21. I know you're inexperienced, but girls older, and up to your age will be understanding (unless they're cunts). Don't avoid potential gfs if they don't fit your age range, be open minded, and continue to improve.
It has not been my experience that people change as individuals much past the age of 16 (it certainly was not true in my case), but granting your point, it is not that I am especially attracted to girls that age on some level. It is just very unlikely to find attractive hopeless romantic girls in their mid to late 20s who are waiting until marriage. Ofc if I find them, I have no problem with the age.
And all I am saying is that your window closed by about age 17. We don't disagree, you're just foolishly optimistic about the window for success.
Then what are you saying: that I should go after girls 17 or younger?
No, because you won't have the genuine connection that you demand. You'll be from different worlds, culturally speaking. The dynamic you are looking for is achieved in high school while you are both in high school, before they are spoiled by the individual liberty that comes from adulthood.
High school is the only time where people can date for a year without having sex and not think something is wrong. The good ones get scooped up then. You missed your opportunity.
I'm 24 and even I wouldn't date someone in your age range
Your salary and height and stuff doesn't matter, it doesn't make up for it
24 is already kind of on the older side for me, and I am 26, but if you have all the right values and the such, I do not really mind.
I'm saying I would not date someone your age
If I heard your age, even if I was attracted to you, it would turn me off. Your salary, looks, etc, nothing makes up for that. I have rejected 2 guys I otherwise liked for this reason. From this you can extrapolate how other normal women in my age range feel
Some will still like you, but approach with caution because these are ones that have BPD and potentially comorbid other issues that can negatively affect your relationship. So be sure to ensure you know how to manage individuals like this *before* you get into it and don't wait until it becomes a problem
>I have rejected 2 guys I otherwise liked for this reason. From this you can extrapolate how other normal women in my age range feel
Honestly, no, I cannot, because I cannot even begin to remotely understand that perspective. You will have to explain. I cannot even slightly fathom the idea of you rejecting a guy two years older than you. The best I reasoning I could imagine is childhood trauma or serious brainwashing of some sort. Sorry if this sounds weird, but I just do not get it and probably cannot.
>You will have to explain.
Well I was 23 at the time for both but it's basically the same as it is in women, people tend to exist from 18-25 in a sort of youthfulness limbo, a stagnant state where they're done growing into adulthood but haven't really begun to age. Then right at about 25 you begin to see the signs of aging, for the first 5 years or so it's slower then from 30 onwards it rapidly picks up speed.
For men, this goes beyond physical appearance, as it is a crucial factor in sexual prowess. A man at 26 simply cannot fuck like a 18 year old boy can. The stamina and force, the boundless energy and eagerness is just not there, no matter how hard he tries to make up for it with being fit or eating this or that.
If you are 26, you've already reached the beginning of decline. I value appearance and sexual vigor a lot, whereas I don't really care for money (which is generally what older men use as their attractant). You and men in your age group do not offer what I'm looking for, and what you do offer is undesirable to me.
I suppose I have to vigorously disagree with this on all levels. I have not even come close to peaking physically for the reasons I have listed above. This just sounds completely alien and foreign to me.
Normies literally not human. They are not even animals. This is just a matter of fact. My worldview is correct, and I will enforce that with violence if need be. If I have to die alone, then I will ensure by duty that the world comes down with me. It is a matter of honor. Blame other people for fucking me up if that is your issue.
>I have not even come close to peaking physically for the reasons I have listed above
It is impossible that you have not begun to age. Yes some people can retain their youthful looks a little while longer than others, but it can only be delayed a few years at the absolute most. To "peak" is when you are at the most energetic, attractive (and for a man have the most sexual vigor) you have in your life, usually a short 2-4 year range. It is not physically possible for that to be in the *future* for you at this point, because your body has begun the aging process. Once you reach the top of a hill there's no direction left to go but down.
I want a guy that still has several years of youthfulness and peak sexual vigor left. Your degree, your money, your status, it's all irrelevant.
I sort of agree, but what matters is your biological age, not chronological. I have taken biological age tests based on bloodwork and the such, and they place me around 20-21. I personally can say I am far leaner, more fit, stronger, etc. than I was at chronologically 20.
>I have taken biological age tests based on bloodwork
I have never heard of this. Can you give any name to this?
>I personally can say I am far leaner, more fit, stronger, etc. than I was at chronologically 20.
Imagine a woman who was obese at 20 and fit at 30. Is she more pretty at 30? Probably yes, in her case. But she cannot be as pretty as she would have been if she'd been fit at 20. Same applies here. Yes you can be better than you were then, but not as good as you could have been then. But even in the best aging people, you can always see slight signs in details that gives it away.
Even if you are that young, you have less time left where you will be like that. If I can have a 18 year old boy who has a good 12 years left versus someone who has maybe 4-6, it only makes sense to do the former.
And finally, to answer your first question, different life experience levels. Combined with the natural power difference of the sexes, this creates a power imbalance that can open a gateway for mistreatment.
This is the one I took. There are others that operate on the same principle.
> Imagine a woman who was obese at 20 and fit at 30. Is she more pretty at 30? Probably yes, in her case. But she cannot be as pretty as she would have been if she'd been fit at 20. Same applies here.
I suppose, but it does not matter to much if you still look better than 95 percent or more of people.
> Even if you are that young, you have less time left where you will be like that. If I can have a 18 year old boy who has a good 12 years left versus someone who has maybe 4-6, it only makes sense to do the former.
Not really a logical judgment, frankly. Take, for example, dating Jared Leto at 30 vs dating DiCaprio at 20. Leto is extremely attractive at 51, while DiCaprio shat away his looks by his mid 30s. Your comparison only works considering two people of similar lifestyle, diet, health, discipline, genetics, etc.
> And finally, to answer your first question, different life experience levels. Combined with the natural power difference of the sexes, this creates a power imbalance that can open a gateway for mistreatment.
I will fully admit upfront that I do not believe in that kind of stuff.
>Leto is extremely attractive at 51,
Yeah, I would say that is pretty much objectively true. By any real metric, he mogs probably 95 percent or more of 20 year old guys.
Hes probably one of the only White guys who aged extremely well. Most guys who age this well are usually Asian or Blacks.
Pic related 56 year old Asian guy
This is the only man you sad people ever post.
I have noticed people with native blood tend to age well, too.
Eh. If that's what you want to look like, go for it I guess. Some girls are into that, but again just exercise caution
Best of the 3 here, he's okay
This one is visibly aging, this is my point, what is there left to go for here
>This one is visibly aging, this is my point, what is there left to go for here
You are not completely wrong, but he is also in his mid 50s here. I am not even half his age.
>This one is visibly aging, this is my point, what is there left to go for here
The man is mid 50s and he still looks better than you lmao
Most women would go for Tom Cruise based on looks alone before they go for 90% of men. That is truth.
>Most women would go for Tom Cruise based on looks alone before they go for 90% of men.
What does he look like?
Alright. Like I said, go for it. You asked me why I rejected late 20s men and I told you why and I will not stop doing so. My idea of attractive does not look anything like any of the men you posted here, so we can just understand it as a difference of perception and agree to disagree.
I am legitimately curious. What do you view as an attractive guy, then? You can have whatever standards you want; there is no reason to pretend you need sound logic to back them up.
If I had to name the most attractive man on earth I'd say tom holland
I thought Tom Holland was 26? Would you make an exception for him?
Yes and even now he is aging. Like this picture is sort of cute, but look at the crows feet. Even in just the past few years you can see him start to go down. Very sad
Nvm you are obviously just trolling
>Eh. If that's what you want to look like, go for it I guess. Some girls are into that, but again just exercise caution
I probably look more like the body of Henry Cavil with the face of young Jesse Metcalfe.
This one. Sorry, it did not link. https://www.mydnage.com/
I know you are almost certainly just a dude trolling me for my supposed insecurities, but I figure I will entertain it.
you're a fuckinf pedohpile
if you have money you will be attractive, easy as that
I already have that.
yes if you are not a loser
if you have to ask probably no