Can someone pleae explain what flirting even is? None of the normie explainations on youtube make any sense to me. How do I recognize flirting? How do I flirt in return? Why is flirting required to form a sexual relationship? I do not understand these things. Have I missed opportunities to flirt in the past with girls that may have been interested in me?
i understand it as a form of testing out boundaries by stepping over them in a teasing, toung-in-cheek kind of way
You can't flirt.
You can try to copy other people flirting, but it will be obvious you don't understand it: look up "cargo cults" to get an idea of how normies will regard you.
As an autist, the part of your brain that deals with social shit is fucked; there is no cure.
Don't even try.
But it's not like autists are completely incapable of getting laid. What do they do instead?
Drugs can easily fix this. Has to be real drugs though.
literally this . you are probably autistic, and if you are, its game over. flirting is all subtle body language and social cues, and if you cant pick up on them quickly and reciprocate, it's over for you
sheer luck. a broken clock is right twice a day, but it doesnt mean its functional.
it's not completely over for autists though. if you're autistic you can still train yourself to learn what different forms of body language mean so you can analyze what's going on in the moment. it just means that autists have to put a ton of effort into doing something that comes naturally to neurotypical people
sure you can hyperanalyze and overcompensate for a lack of innate ability but it will be glaringly obvious and unnatural. something will always "just be a little off" with you, and normalfags WILL pick up on it. you will never leave the uncanny valley, even if you artificially master flirting
yeah but that'll still increase your chances, it's worth trying. it doesn't have to be "over"
so what's the alternative then,
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>it is a form of testing out boundaries by stepping over them
yet in the modern world so much as talking to a woman is considered sexual harassment, how exactly do you show you want a gf and if she is interested you'd like to take her on a date without saying it or doing anything "creepy", or have we been completely cut off from informal communication with women
Start by saying hi and some totally innocent pleasantries and then assess the vibe she's giving off. Try to get a feel if she wants you to keep talking or or to go away. Always be ready to walk away like a gentleman when necessary.
>how exactly do you show you want a gf and if she is interested you'd like to take her on a date without saying it or doing anything "creepy"
you dont. you bite the bullet, tread lightly, and accept the risk that comes with it. if you take it too carefully, you get frenzoned, if you go too hard, you get labled as a creep. there is no way to win, thus you have to try to balance the two risks and hope the dice roll in your favor. or you just check of the game entirely and live a life of solitude and/or loneliness. some people are just not socially qualified enough to walk the fine line between flirty and creepy, and for them it will be a constant uphill battle, others are socially gifted and can sniff out and read social situations as if they're god of the matrix.
Very gay advice. Disregard all blackpill fags.
The key to flirting is plausible deniability. You test boundaries slowly and get closer. A good example is innuendo. That's why people say humor gets you laidm you can keep her laughing while getting spicy.
Flirting can be kinda abstract, and even misconstrued as being friendly.
It's a combination of things; it's banter, teasing, joking, talking about each other, and things you're passionate about. Of course, when you build up tension, you can flirt more sexually, and make sexual innuendos. Have you ever just 'clicked' with someone, and became their instantly, and, you two, just keep talking about yourselves, plus things you're into? It's like that, except it's based on attraction. This is partly why, men have difficulty being friends with girls, they misconstrue being a friend as flirting, being attracted to an opposite sex friend is normal, but you need to have the will, and common sense not to puruse every girl available to you, but parse them to find one that fits you.
You need to flirt, because it builds a relationship between you two, similar to how you build a friendship with someone. You may have missed opportunities of girls flirting with you, but a lot of flirting can be denied as being a friend. Remember, girls are like guys, in that, not every girl knows how to flirt, or read people well.
>This is partly why, men have difficulty being friends with girls, they misconstrue being a friend as flirting
so do women. the difference is that women have a very high cutoff or threshold for attraction whereas men will get their "hopes" up for anyone.
It's just a matter of having a conversation to sort out the attraction thing and whether the one party or the other can live with the imbalance.
no, that's make belief and doesn't actually work. nor should it. men and women should not be friends.
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I get those puppy dog eyes from women but I'm too autistic to approach and the few times I actually make a move my selective mutism flares up anyway. It's a hopeless case.
I would say it is the art of talking about the most superficial topics with the goal of getting to know the other person in depth.
It's obvious when a girl is flirting.
Look at any video on youtube where an attractive guy talks to girls, their facial expression particularly their eyes light up with interest, their body language gives them away.
Then look at incels/ugly people picking up women and see the confusion/disgust on their face combined with body language pulling away from them.
What's actually being said is completely irrelevant it's all about everything else which only happens when the guy is attractive.
Flirting is what attractive but taken people do to each other and it sometimes leads to an affair. In case of people who are single it is an equivalent of a meaningless mating dance. It is meaningless cause a woman has already decided to give him her vag. But they both engage in it to boost her ego and social standing by pretend that her price is higher than it is.
It's just teasing someone with sexual innuendos.
Assurance of reciprication of views for each other
WHY ISN'T ANYONE ASKING FOR SAUCE HOLY SHIT THATS SO HOT
It is alp. Don't remember which doujin.
shits old, everyones seen all her shit
and you can find it yourself pretty easily, theres no videos
Maritza Mendez, a Mexican escort. She probably belongs to a cartel boss
It is indeed like a war between first world country and an african micronation. Everything is set in stone before it even starts and it is known that the attractive imperialist penis will penetrate the weak tribal vaginal defenses cause the imperialist penis is good looking enough. Alternatively it is a war where an incel micronation declares it and the woman first world country ignores the micronation completely cause when the first world country woman talks with other nations it looks bad if it even acknowledges that micronation existence.
>A 10 wants a guy who doesn't live FOR WOMEN. A 10 wants a man who lives FOR HIMSELF
If that is actually true and the guy is actually living for himself wouldn't that make all 10's alone by necessity since a guy who lives for himself doesn't care even about 10s?
No, people look like what they are. a 10 is not just a beautiful woman-she has VALUE.
That's not to say the social dance can be occam razored to a 10 guy gets all the girls. The guy who is a 10 gets the girl who is a 10 and she makes his life better
that's why this robot fiasco (call it a pandemic) is so sad. the LULZ incel fiasco. Robots are not stupid people, they're not the people on reddit. They're not the people who go to bars. [btw:] these 10's go to clubs but they never sleep with the guys.
So we have the hot high status women going to clubs, when the perfect match is a robot, who sits at home on the computer
Basically its friendly-intimate play or discussion happening between a guy and girl who might be interested in one another or are. Sometimes though its one sided such as the girl likes the guy but the guy isn't interested and vice versa. Sometimes though the other person not interested might still engage with the other for whatever reason. Incels don't have to worry or think about this.
Flirting is literally any kind of conversation at all which keeps a woman genuinely interested in you or in the conversation. As long as you're still engaged in conversation and she's not leaving, that's flirting. I disagree about the innuendo part. My schtick is to pretend that sex doesn't even exist. I don't pretend I'm not interested in her but I avoid the topic of sex or dating like the plague. The fact that you're a man and she's a woman is more than enough to propel you in the direction you desire. It's not really about crossing her boundaries. It's about *attracting her* so she starts getting antsy and wants to touch you, etc. Like the game of push hands where you pull your hands away and your partner loses balance. You want her to lose balance in your direction. And for me it always works by avoiding any sex/relationship topics. Be amusing, keep her laughing. Avoid dirty jokes - keep it all clean. This strategy has been extremely successful for me. (I learned it from a couple of American jugglers in Munich many years ago.) But I'm old and long married now so all my experience is over 20 years old.
>My schtick is to pretend that sex doesn't even exist. I don't pretend I'm not interested in her but I avoid the topic of sex or dating like the plague.
and that's how you end up with a nice comfy seat in the fren zone
I never did end up in the fren zone because there was always sexual tension. The only time I became friends with women was long after we were done having sex and seeing other people.
According to the idea you bring up, there would be a weighing of two competing risks: the risk that talking about sexy stuff would creep her out versus the risk that not doing so would make her think you have only platonic intentions. I think the former risk is greater than the latter.
Your assessment is correct. The optimal way to minimize damage is to not get too sexual, as the consequences of being a creep far outway the fren zone. this leaves a slim chance of success, but only if she is extremely interested and willing to persue.
it's the needy, "nice guys", that always try to imply sex through dirty jokes and different kinds of suggestions, that end up in the friendzone
Agree. Anons, please give this clean approach a try a few times - nothing to lose. I've had fantastic results (I appreciate ymmv). It's possible a new approach might leave you surprised and pleased with the results.
In my experience, my best approaches to women were those when I was horny for them and unapologetically displayed interest non-verbally, but never outright saying it. What I did was refrain from that reflex of hiding it. I looked at them fondly and ended up touching them smoothly, because my cock guided me - there was none of that anxiety of "oh my god, what should I say, should I touch her hand now".
That's totally boss and absolutely works but that's a more advanced level than some anons are at right now. You're probably highly sensitive to how a woman is responding to you.
its not required at all. whats required for a relationship, is that you look like the man you posted in that image. are your thighs wide and muscular? do you have a chad jaw and cool hair? if your reply is no, then you are FUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! only way out is crashing head first into the pavement. im serious lol, its really this bad. you don't get to have anything.
Not being tall and jacked and good-looking probably shaves off 20 - 30% of prospects. But if you're smartly dressed, smell good or not bad, and are a charming conversationalist, your chances are still very good. Talk to some women and be interested in what they're saying. If you keep at it, it will def happen. All signs are looking good!
the issue is when you die you dont respawn back at home. pursuing sex is dangerous, even for chad. for a sub 8/10 man its basically suicide. and you have your own ego to worry about too, i dont know, how much does 10 rejections hurt? do you think we are invincible? chad doesn't have to get rejected, why the fuck is my body so shit?
Babe Ruth had a total of 1330 strikeouts in his career. Ruth actually held a record for the number of times he had struck out, a record that would remain unbroken for 30 years. Ruth's history of strikeouts is directly correlated with his legacy of home runs in the sport of Baseball. The reason for the huge amount of strikeouts that he racked up over the course of his career wasn't a slight on him as a player, it was a symptom of how he changed the game of baseball forever with an impetuous new style that relied on exciting plays and risk-taking.
notice a pattern? every man is huge! i wish suicide was easier, but it appears god has an interest in keeping me alive. i've tried to kill myself so many fucking times, but i've watched my body be healed with magic. its possible the people in these videos aren't even real, i dont know. its hard to believe god can be real and he would really do this to me. he can heal bodies from suicide attempts, he could easily let me have sex too. but nope.
then i get trips, and i'm reminded god told me i didn't even have free will. he tells me all the time he isn't torturing me. dont know what hes on.
I know girls who don't like big guys but twinks, because big guys also have too big limbs, big feet and aren't elegant. Straight girls who are tiny themselves.
These guys don't look big, they look the size of the cunts with them.
It is really hard to define what is flirting and what is just playful friendliness. I've had girls become interested in me because I'm playful and friendly with them (I'm a girl too). Browsing this mostly because of autism and not because I can't get a partner - though I think sex is a distraction and kinda disgusting so I choose to be alone.
The best video I've seen explained that flirting had also an intense eye contact that you don't usually have with friends. Like staring someone straight to the eye across the room. Don't overdo it, but usually it is somewhat needed. Though it is weird that those girls liked me because I don't even look people in the eye. I guess it was more about them liking me than them thinking I was flirting with them.
in my experience if she giggles at your completely lame retarded jokes then you're in
people value their time you can plainly see when people would rather not talk to you
the problem is you are intellectualizing it too much. Unironically just stop thinking about it. You have to give in to your intuition. Sexuality is something primal, it is not coded by logic.
What gives us the right?
Flirting does not exist. Only ugly men think you have to be subtle with women or that they are subtle with you. Chad doesn't have to say anything to bed women though he would do perfectly well with a "let's fuk".
flirting is when you are talking to a girl and tune in to your mutual sexual attraction, then there's sort of an unsaid understanding that you're both into each other and continue the conversation with romantic undertones now added to the mix.
Best way I could put it.
>Can someone pleae explain what flirting even is?
To put it in simple terms, you say the thing without saying the thing, while the other person knows you are saying, but not saying the thing.
Flirting is just testing boundaries. If she isn't interested she'll shut you down pretty quick or you stepped over the boundary too quick. There is a new girl at work, we got chatting, we've both moved to this country and went through similar issues. From there she's been flirting with me and I've been flirting with her and teasing. We've got to the point now that she comes to work next to me with casual touches, giving me a gentle push on the shoulder when I tease etc.
We're going to a party on Saturday so we will see what happens