Universities are pretty shit at teaching EE in my experience. Most don't even offer PCB design courses, so if you wanna get into that I'd say building a portfolio and doing your own projects is actually the most efficient way if you have a decent IQ.
I went to school for computer engineering and I got hired at a development firm as an electrical just cause I did my own stuff. You'd be amazed at the amount of electrical students that just drift by and don't know basic shit like what a chassis ground symbol is, capacitor types, how to read a datasheet, etc.
lol yep. The point about the startling lack of PCB design courses applies to the top engineering colleges too tho
http://catalog.yale.edu/ycps/courses/eeng/
https://www.eecs.mit.edu/academics/undergraduate-programs/curriculum/6-2-electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/
https://ee.stanford.edu/eecs
lol yep. The point about the startling lack of PCB design courses applies to the top engineering colleges too tho
http://catalog.yale.edu/ycps/courses/eeng/
https://www.eecs.mit.edu/academics/undergraduate-programs/curriculum/6-2-electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/
https://ee.stanford.edu/eecs
nobody cares about PCB design except Pajeets.You seem like one.
nope, sorry mate. If you can make all the high level decisions in the schematic and then go immediately into layout and come up with something that will actually work you're twice as valuable as the braindead grad student and the subhuman pajeet combined.
Yes, in my experience Uni is good at making sure you don't have massive gaps in your knowledge that you are unaware of. If you are motivated enough it's very doable.
I would not subcontract anything with a controlled impedance to pajeets lmao. nevermind EMC
ngl PCB design seems like the high iq part of modern EE work. the amount of EMI/EMC and signal integrity stuff you have to worry about is kind of cocaine. it gets really autistic really quickly.
you have to worry about manufacturability, testability, "what if this thing doesn't work as advertised, could we have another footprint for a plan-B device?", footprints for maybe-ill-need-this-resistor-or-not, DRC, simulation, panelization, the physical shape of the board, understanding how the PCB will sit in the enclosure, etc.
even things like, placing test points so you can actually physically access it with an oscilloscope probe. or leaving a trace fat and apart from each other, so that worse case scenario you can scratch off the soldermask and attach flying coil wires to it. a lot of these concerns comes from (hard earned) experience. experienced PCB devs are like wizards, they are simply knowers.
The whole thing comes together on the PCB, you need to have both a system view, and also understand the fine details of the actual product.
>I went to school for computer engineering and I got hired at a development firm as an electrical
Wow, anon! You went to school for CE and got a job in a completely different field when many schools treat CE as ECE or EECS? That's quite a jump!
Most uni students do the bare minimum to graduate and hope their degree will land them a job. They expect to learn all the valuable skills on the job once they start working.
This approach used to work 20 years ago, but now? It doesn't. Too much competition. Everybody has a degree now. You effectively need to self teach by building a portfolio of projects, as well as networking as much as possible, and landing a few internships, all before you graduate. CSfags are learning this the hard way.
Everything I learned in college was self taught. The professors are autistic retards that just copy from a book. The only things college provided me are the framework (what should I study) the stress of deadlines (when and how fast should I study), and having to deal with retarded professors (present what I studied to a retard). On the other hand it wasted my time with courses that have mandatory presence, meaning I had to live in a noisy dormitories where it is hard to focus or sleep. It would take me 2 years if I could study living with my parents instead of 4 years.
The conclusion is that yes, you can self teach almost anything an undergraduate is taught.
But also see this: , and it isn't only HR. If there is anything a wagie who wasted 4 years of his life hates, is seeing a degreeless candidate getting a job. EE is a field where it is nearly impossible to get a job without a degree.
Yes but good luck actually getting hired as one, degrees are HR filters
Agree. But mechanical engineering, chemical engineering, math, physics, or chemistry might get you by if you have a strong enough showing, especially at a smaller company.
I prefer the arrl handbook. >Can electrical engineering be self-taught?
If you put in the work. Then when somebody makes a robot waifu and gets filthy rich you will come back here and cope.
do you have a technical college near you? Im studying EE at mine and its a wide varity of skills and hands on stuff. right now im doing plc, cad, electromagnetism and a class that covers assembly (-bling stuff)
a better question would be how much do you need to know to start playing around with circuits and assembling/designing stuff yourself. I don't think you need to know that much to be useful at all nowadays software does a lot of work for you and you learn a lot better when you do something than simply sitting in class and doing homework.
you don't even necessarily need EE for modern circuit design, you just describe the circuit in a high level language and the synthesizer will do the rest
That's why I don't go to college. i'm not that interested in getting that paper at this point either way. I'm here to shortcut my way into what I want and I don't think I'll need to know maxwell's equations to know where to put the electronic components into a breadboard.
Anything can be. There's a spectrum of difficulty tho and elec is on the higher end
Nope. Computer Science can be self-taught however.
This is what the towelboys ancient Roman warriors had sex with looked like. This is what they took from us
Italian women look like THAT?
depends on how much time you have. and how smart you are of course.
Universities are pretty shit at teaching EE in my experience. Most don't even offer PCB design courses, so if you wanna get into that I'd say building a portfolio and doing your own projects is actually the most efficient way if you have a decent IQ.
I went to school for computer engineering and I got hired at a development firm as an electrical just cause I did my own stuff. You'd be amazed at the amount of electrical students that just drift by and don't know basic shit like what a chassis ground symbol is, capacitor types, how to read a datasheet, etc.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749532858208616519/1108211280399052840/PCBDesignTutorialRevA.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/@PhilsLab
Damn, must've been a pretty shit uni you went to
lol yep. The point about the startling lack of PCB design courses applies to the top engineering colleges too tho
http://catalog.yale.edu/ycps/courses/eeng/
https://www.eecs.mit.edu/academics/undergraduate-programs/curriculum/6-2-electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/
https://ee.stanford.edu/eecs
nobody cares about PCB design except Pajeets.You seem like one.
nope, sorry mate. If you can make all the high level decisions in the schematic and then go immediately into layout and come up with something that will actually work you're twice as valuable as the braindead grad student and the subhuman pajeet combined.
Ok Ranjeet please do the needful.
nobody is trusting an outsourced Indian to design any hardware for any government/contracted work.
Yes, in my experience Uni is good at making sure you don't have massive gaps in your knowledge that you are unaware of. If you are motivated enough it's very doable.
I would not subcontract anything with a controlled impedance to pajeets lmao. nevermind EMC
Who are you kidding PCBs are done by taiwanese and chinks.
Not for government contacts. Especially those under security clearances and ITAR controlled.
Checked, and straight up anything where you want an NDA to be actually respected. Hell even Apple has PCB designers in Cali
ngl PCB design seems like the high iq part of modern EE work. the amount of EMI/EMC and signal integrity stuff you have to worry about is kind of cocaine. it gets really autistic really quickly.
you have to worry about manufacturability, testability, "what if this thing doesn't work as advertised, could we have another footprint for a plan-B device?", footprints for maybe-ill-need-this-resistor-or-not, DRC, simulation, panelization, the physical shape of the board, understanding how the PCB will sit in the enclosure, etc.
even things like, placing test points so you can actually physically access it with an oscilloscope probe. or leaving a trace fat and apart from each other, so that worse case scenario you can scratch off the soldermask and attach flying coil wires to it. a lot of these concerns comes from (hard earned) experience. experienced PCB devs are like wizards, they are simply knowers.
The whole thing comes together on the PCB, you need to have both a system view, and also understand the fine details of the actual product.
if you want to be worth a fuck then yes. you still need the degree to get a jarb
universities are businesses who sell degrees for tuition. they are under zero (0) obligation to teach you jack shit
>I went to school for computer engineering and I got hired at a development firm as an electrical
Wow, anon! You went to school for CE and got a job in a completely different field when many schools treat CE as ECE or EECS? That's quite a jump!
Yeah I know, big whoop, but my point stands. I didn't learn shit in classes that applies to my current job other than basic physics 2 ohms law stuff.
Most uni students do the bare minimum to graduate and hope their degree will land them a job. They expect to learn all the valuable skills on the job once they start working.
This approach used to work 20 years ago, but now? It doesn't. Too much competition. Everybody has a degree now. You effectively need to self teach by building a portfolio of projects, as well as networking as much as possible, and landing a few internships, all before you graduate. CSfags are learning this the hard way.
anything can be if you have enough time.
not in any resonable time
Yes but good luck actually getting hired as one, degrees are HR filters
Everything I learned in college was self taught. The professors are autistic retards that just copy from a book. The only things college provided me are the framework (what should I study) the stress of deadlines (when and how fast should I study), and having to deal with retarded professors (present what I studied to a retard). On the other hand it wasted my time with courses that have mandatory presence, meaning I had to live in a noisy dormitories where it is hard to focus or sleep. It would take me 2 years if I could study living with my parents instead of 4 years.
The conclusion is that yes, you can self teach almost anything an undergraduate is taught.
But also see this: , and it isn't only HR. If there is anything a wagie who wasted 4 years of his life hates, is seeing a degreeless candidate getting a job. EE is a field where it is nearly impossible to get a job without a degree.
Agree. But mechanical engineering, chemical engineering, math, physics, or chemistry might get you by if you have a strong enough showing, especially at a smaller company.
Source: work dsp jobs with a math degree.
Yes.
I prefer the arrl handbook.
>Can electrical engineering be self-taught?
If you put in the work. Then when somebody makes a robot waifu and gets filthy rich you will come back here and cope.
Blessed book
Shouldnt you read "the art of electronics" beforehand? Ive read some reviews the hands on book requires some knowledge and isnt for novice/begginers.
The art of electronics is harder than the arrl handbook. I dropped it. and forget about practical electronics for inventors.
What is arrl?
do you have a technical college near you? Im studying EE at mine and its a wide varity of skills and hands on stuff. right now im doing plc, cad, electromagnetism and a class that covers assembly (-bling stuff)
Beautiful Gio picture, one of the best i might say.
a better question would be how much do you need to know to start playing around with circuits and assembling/designing stuff yourself. I don't think you need to know that much to be useful at all nowadays software does a lot of work for you and you learn a lot better when you do something than simply sitting in class and doing homework.
sort of, but you'll find it hard to practice on anything beyond storeshelf stuff
you don't even necessarily need EE for modern circuit design, you just describe the circuit in a high level language and the synthesizer will do the rest
>HDL for analog circuits
nagger what
oh yeah my thinking is completely tuned to digital circuits lol
of course there's a whole world out there where that's not gonna help you
Aboslutely everything can be self taught; even to the highest degree of proficiency. No exceptions.
No. You need a degree to take the licensing exam.
I'm a 4th semester student going into an internship next semester. Shit's hard, at least at my uni they use some courses as filters.
That's why I don't go to college. i'm not that interested in getting that paper at this point either way. I'm here to shortcut my way into what I want and I don't think I'll need to know maxwell's equations to know where to put the electronic components into a breadboard.
cat-saying-would-into-microphone.bmp
No, it can't, the original principles of electrical engineering were revealed through divine inspiration.
Anything can be self-taught.
what about sneed?