Can anyone recommend some reliable books to redpill me on the masons? I know E. Michael Jones talks about them a lot, but surprisingly none of his books seem to cover them specifically.
Not interested in apologetics btw
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Can anyone recommend some reliable books to redpill me on the masons? I know E.
Morals and Dogma(not apologetics but supposedly a manual for Masons by a Master Mason)
Behold a Pale Horse
The Works of Crowley and his Contemporaries
(me)
Also in some of his historical writings Churchill attributes to rebellions of English Villeins to Masonic Influence
>Crowley
>Behold a Pale Horse
No thanks dude
Bro this bro thinks he was a vampire
Can anyone recommend me a book that actually makes sense and also wasn't written by someone totally evil?
>Masons
>Not Evil, power obsessed, occultists
Pick One(1)
Yeah, I want to be redpilled on the masons. I don't want to BE a mason and I don't want to hear cope and lies from the masons.
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Bill Schnoebelein, former Mormon (then Satanist). Unique perspective after coming back to Christianity, and the influence of Masonry on Mormonism from its foundation. Old titles from the horses' mouths should suffice; just get into the primary sources
Freemasons are based
The ancien regime was one of the gayest things to ever exist. Just a bunch of “aristocrats” (descendants of merchants who bought titles, not descendants of feudalchads) jerking each other off and hunting foxes for 100 years. The masons restored vitality to Europe.
>100
*200-300+
152 years*
Except they were all merchants since the 16th century.
Mason merchant
gnomish merchant
Aristicrat merchant
The first is irrelevant. They are all first, and foremost, merchants.
Class conscious people understand this.
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This thread, or permutations of it, like this thread, has been made multiple times on multiple boards a few times a year for the past few years. What are you trying to achieve with this? How come you don't use the archives? Do you not know how?
>page not found
>What are you trying to achieve with this?
uhh I'm trying to get an answer to my question, retard.
Also the links you posted don't work.
Also, I went and searched those threads myself and you literally linked generic "redpill me" threads. I'm looking for BOOKS, idiot, not pngs. You're on LULZ right? Don't you know how to read?
Under the sign of the scorpion
>written by a ufologist
fuck dude I want a book by a normal historian that may or may not hate garden gnomes. I don't need all of this alien/vampire/magic shit
The Key of Hiram
(OP) The Key of hiram
>written by freemasons
HOLY FUCK okay look, I need a book by someone who is not evil and does not need to explain shit in terms of fucking aliens and magic. I want to know the actual material history of the masons and their intentions.
>redpill me on masons
>I want to know the actual history
>Not explain shit in terms of magic
Look man, I'm going to be up front with you - If you're looking into the masons and you're still blue pilled on the supernatural, you're not going to be able to make any sense of their history at all.
Look into Michael Witcoff, he is an ex-mason who became an Orthodox Christian
His book: https://www.amazon.com.au/Masons-Their-Lies-Every-Christian/dp/1986325474
I don't deny the existence of the supernatural or the significance of ritual, etc., and I wouldn't be surprised if the masons practices and history have roots in ancient magical concepts. But I don't believe that explaining the roots of masonry requires reference to concepts like aliens and vampires. And in fact, I seriously doubt that tracing the roots or documenting the actions of a group like this necessarily requires one to believe in the legitimacy of the occult at all, they are subversive in a direct and observable way, and I've seen references to them in E Michael Jones work that seem to only draw on mainstream historical record.
Is there really no rigorous and (on the face of it) credible historical account of the masons that isn't written by an apologist or ex-mason?
>Is there really no rigorous and (on the face of it) credible historical account of the masons that isn't written by an apologist or ex-mason?
here's a few reasons why your criterea is misguided, and you need to adjust your expectations:
1. The Masons are historically secretive. Getting history on them isn't a trivial matter, and requires chasing down.
2. Normie secular liberals, the majority today, group the history of Freemansonry alongside the history of Christian groups, alongside the history of Buddhist groups, ie, in the "Why would anyone give a shit about groups that are going to die out eventually when le heckin progress and reason will make them die out?" So their history only is accounted for by people who actually care.
3. Apologists care about documenting Freemason history to show that Christianity is incompatible with Freemasonry, despite Freemason's claims.
4. Freemasons themselves care about documenting Freemason history to prove the legitimacy of its lineage to ancient mysteries, which will necessarily include supernatural elements. First-hand sources on Mason history will be
5. Ex-Masons are in the best position to tell you what the history of Freemasonry is, because they investigated the history in the process of becoming Masons, and in the process of rejecting Masonry, are able to point out the contradictions in Masonry's self-claimed history, since they no longer have allegiance to them, and won't honour their vows of secrecy.
6. If "credible on the face of it" to you implicitly means "atheist approved" then you need to reconsider what your criterea of credibility is.
To be clear, when I say apologist, I mean mason apologists (i.e. those seeking to defend masons). If there's a christian who has researched the history of the masons to present them as evil from a christian perspective, that's fine for me. I guess you could say I care about "atheist approved" documentation insofar as I would like to see dates, times, evidence/ credible accounts, etc. of actual material infiltration or manipulation by the masons, but I don't see why that would be impossible. Of course mason documents will reference the occult, but that doesn't make a material history of them impossible without the author believing in the occult. If you had satanists organizing secretly and infiltrating the government, you could make an account of it without claiming that anything supernatural had occurred, right? Isn't that essentially what we are talking about here?
Alright, that all makes sense, then.
Apart from Michael Witcoff I mentioned earlier, the ex-Mason turned Orthodox Christian, you may find something useful for you here in the collated series of lecture notes, "Orthodox Survival Course" by Fr. Seraphim Rose, https://pdfhost.io/v/bZfMVN32G_SurvivalCourse_OA_Style , it's a general philosophical history of the West since the Great Schism of 1054, from the perspective of Orthodox Christianity, and how the Roman Catholic apostasy from Orthodoxy dominoed into the current global problems. The topic of Freemasonry is covered, starting on page 80, under "Secret Societies".
Under the Sign of the Scorpion was a good recommendation. no more pearls, homosexual
What’s even wrong with the masons? They just seem like some vague evil. At least people who talk about the Js can point to actual events.
Since the "inner secrets" of the Masons is just Kaballah, the Masons are a wing of the Js.
That's what I want to know, I figure if garden gnomes operate in essentially a covert way but you can still make a centuries long account of their fuckery, certainly I can get a credible account of the masons, right? I mean, they're a shady organization of powerful people who... just roleplay? But people think they're evil for... no reason? I don't buy it.
But just like I dodge books on the garden gnomes that mention transdimensional aliens or whatever, I would dodge books on masons that mention transdimensional aliens or something similarly implausible.
Just on a cursory glance, this Orthodox book is very reminiscent of Jones work, and I was looking for something similar. Seems like it will compliment Libido Dominandi because it ties the Masons to evens Jones lays out there? Definitely looks useful, thanks!
Oh? I can't believe I hadn't heard that masonry is heavily tied to kabbalah, but it looks like even mainstream sources will freely admit this? Well that's certainly a start. I think this makes it very easy to argue that masonry is destructive at its core. Thanks for the pointer
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