>BYZANTIUM WAS LOCATED IN "GREECE" THAT MAKES THEM GREEK OKAY?!

>BYZANTIUM WAS LOCATED IN "GREECE" THAT MAKES THEM GREEK OKAY?!
>UM BUT YEAH I KNOW GREECE AS A COUNTRY DIDN'T EXIST UNTIL 1821 BUT THEY WERE TOTALLY GREEK OKAY!!!!
>I DONT CARE THAT ALEXANDER WAS FROM MACEDONIA HE IS GREEK!!!!
Do they REALLY?

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >BYZANTIUM WAS LOCATED IN "GREECE" THAT MAKES THEM GREEK OKAY?!
    Roman East remained hellenized except latin used for laws

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Literally the opposite Stavros

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Thrace and Illyria were fully Latinized despite being closer to Greece geographically, retard.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        this is a very niche conversation revolving around really petty identity issues. i dont think anyone here is retarded for not sharing some special interpretation you have. i think you're just coping.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >petty identity issues
          >retard whose arguing with others claiming Greeks are Roman unironically
          hello pot to kettle

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I'm pretty sure it's speaking greek and being populated by ethnic hellens that makes them greek.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong and this logic you were conquered by everyone who conquered Cyprus

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      they spoke romaic
      they referred to their language as romaic
      they referred to themselves as romei
      if the turks hadn't destroyed their empire, modern greece wouldn't exist
      greeks should consider the turkish sultans liberators because if not for 1453 they wouldn't exist along with their ancient hellenic larp

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What were they then?

        They are romaboo balkan/anatolian mutts

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        They mostly spoke greek, though. We have many texts from the period, including old bibles etc.

        True that MODERN greece wouldn't exist if the empire hadn't fallen, however, the majority of greece and anatolia today would have been greek speaking, in that case (Depending on what borders we put on lasting empire here).

        They would not have seen any paradox in being both romans and greek.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think they would still call themselves Romans, though. Or even if they did, no one else would. Like how the Germans call themselves Deutschland but practically every other country has a different name for them.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Some Greek children in the Aegean islands (Lemnos I believe) were calling themselves "Roman" all the way into the late 19th or early 20th century. The Roman identity was very strong with Anatolian and island Greeks and it endured all through the Ottoman rule.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >They mostly spoke greek, though
          He's referring to the fact they called the language Romaic/Romeika. 'The language of the Romans' and not Greek.
          >They would not have seen any paradox in being both romans and greek.
          They themselves clearly did Constantine VII was highly confused by those in the Peloponnese that called themselves Hellens as they belived themselves to be descendants of the Ancient Greeks, which Constantine thought was nonsense. He saw a clear boundry in being Roman and being Greek.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        > they spoke romaic

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I'm pretty sure you aren't retarded so why are you replying to obvious bait

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    If Byzantium wasn't Greek then what was it?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      First you need to define "greek"

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Hellens who speak a dialect of greek

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Tf is “hellen”? Isn't that a girl's name?
          Also see

          Wrong and this logic you were conquered by everyone who conquered Cyprus

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Greek: Ἑλλάς, romanized: Hellás

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >If Byzantium wasn't Greek then what was it?
      medieval Romans who spoke Greek with Persian culture.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        dios mio, romans created the first globohomo monstrosity

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          great work.
          do you have a twitter account where i can learn more?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks Caracalla

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      it was greek as fuck
      this board is full of LARPagans that never read a history book in their entire life

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    that picture is wrong. Belisarius/Narses never took the area where Milan is now.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >No Greek culture
    >No Greek political systems
    >No belief that they were even Greek
    >No Greek law
    >No Greek military
    >No Greek religion
    >Majority of the people weren't even genetic Greeks.
    But they wuz Greeks n shieeeet

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      What were they then?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        medieval romans

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          medieval Byzantine*

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Greeks are the biggest wewuzzers ever. Literally Somali-turk rapebabies brought by the Ottomans to displace Albanians and Macedonians(Scythians/Slavs - same thing) who were the actual "ancient Greeks" and just claiming they wuz it all thanks to Rothschild support.

      they spoke romaic
      they referred to their language as romaic
      they referred to themselves as romei
      if the turks hadn't destroyed their empire, modern greece wouldn't exist
      greeks should consider the turkish sultans liberators because if not for 1453 they wouldn't exist along with their ancient hellenic larp

      mental illness
      you will NEVER be a woman

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        *roman

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Greeks are the biggest wewuzzers ever. Literally Somali-turk rapebabies brought by the Ottomans to displace Albanians and Macedonians(Scythians/Slavs - same thing) who were the actual "ancient Greeks" and just claiming they wuz it all thanks to Rothschild support.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Albanians are Slavs
      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
      >inb4 muh loanwords
      nagger shut up

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Genetic studies disagree with you. Oh wait, I guess le jooz are responsible for those as well.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >565
    Soulless

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The Byzantines weren't really Greeks or Romans; but another distinct, semi-Asiatic civilization entirely.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They were called Greek by contemporaries. Their country was sometimes called the Greek Empire.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It is also true it was called the greek empire for political reasons (ie. the HRE called it that because it didn't recognize it as roman empire)

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    why does "being roman" matter so much to people that they'll engage in cope like this?
    >america is rome
    >third reich was rome
    >ottoman empire was rome
    sure, whatever. everyone's rome.
    but given that, what differentiates all the different """"romes""""?
    certainly byzantine rome is just greek rome. excluding the meaningless universal redundant prefix, you get the quality that actually distinguishes them - their greekness.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      america is basically rome 2 though

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Being "Rome" is the highest honor for any actual or aspiring European/Near Eastern hegemon.
      They basically set the standard when it comes to empiring.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >greeks didn't exist because their nation state was only established in 1821
    do you REALLY?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      i want to slap him but he still has a point. the implication isnt that greeks didnt exist but that they cant retroactively claim (or be assigned) a polity like byzantium because the identity wasnt strong enough at the time.

      either wat - dont you hate these historians who only circumstantially apply this "respect contemporary ideas" trope when it suits modern sensibilities?
      we can project social justice and dark skin onto our ancestors and deny their national sentiments but god forbid we attempt to judge their contemporary love for boys.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >either wat
        either way

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Along with the 9th-century Macedonian Renaissance, there was a big resurgence of Hellenic culture. In the late-period empire, you had Byzantine historians looking more toward the Greek identity and distancing from the Latin Romans who founded the whole thing in the first place:

    >". . . Did you understand therefore how great a difference there is between the Greek and the European ['Vestern] fathers in theology and in the other branches of philosophy? Who can be compared with Orpheus, Homer, and Stesichorus in poetry; who with Plotinus, Proclus, and Porphyry; with Arius, Origen, and Eusebius, men [i.e., heretics] who have split the seam of Christ's garment? Who can be compared with Cyril, Gregory, and Basil; who, in the field of grammar, can equal or approach Herodian, Apollonius, and Trypho…do you not understand that Athens alone of all Greece was able to give birth to more philosophers than all Italy had or has? Now, however, I admit, we are the remnants of the Greeks, a view with which you of course agree willingly."

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >and distancing from the Latin Romans who founded the whole thing in the first place:
      When italian invaders and spanish pirates devastate your nation and endanger their own existence while the Latin Church excommunicates you, it is normal that they felt aversion for Latins

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Italian invaders
        Seethe Isaac Angelos
        Venice was created by the Byzantines so they mostly have themselves to blame for the IV Crusade shenanigans. The Crusaders didn't even want to get embroiled in Venetian-Byzantine petty politicking, they just wanted a ride to Jerusalem, but their most charismatic leader died before the whole thing began and as a result they didn't have enough men or cash for the enterprise so they had to do grunt work for the doge and Byzantine prince.
        The Catalans are another matter altogether, and not much related to Italy.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Sadly Karl the big boy didn't take the opportunity presented by "empress" Irene to invade and bring them superior germanic statemanship.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They weren't Greeks, they were Hellenes.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Even the Byzantines knew they were Greek, they had two identities, a Roman "national identity" and a Greek ethnic one, the stories of them calling themselves Roman on various Aegean islands is made up bullshit.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Greek ethnic one
      There really isn’t any proof they had one until the 13th century and that was only shared by elites

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Byzantium was hardly ethnically Greek. It was a hodgepodge of ethnicities with a clearly Roman administration while the Greeks were largely serfs. Just because it was loosely located near Greece doesn't make it automatically Greek, especially when it was established by the Romans.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Ah yes, how could I forget about the 500 Armenians in the court? If you don't think Mediaeval Byzantium was primarily Greek, you are beyond help.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Since when were Anatolians ethnically Greek

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Since the hellenization of Analotia

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              By that logic all of Greece and Anatolia are ethnically Roman since they were Romanized

              Who do you think was living in Anatolia dipshit?

              The Anatolians.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                They weren't romanized
                Only Iberians gauls and dacians were romanized

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Who do you think was living in Anatolia dipshit?

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