blows my mind that so many retards think that peasants didn't work on the 100+ holidays granted to them. they still had to tend to the fields, and animals and perform matinence on their possessions. do people really think they just sat around doing nothing?
blows my mind that so many retards think that peasants didn't work on the 100+ holidays granted to them.
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Even if they did frequently work on holidays, peasant field labor didn't require consistent long work days outside of peak harvesting seasons.
Yes it did. There's always something to do on a farm.
There are always chores, yes. Chores are not hard physical labor. Hard physical labor is only necessary during peak harvesting or when establishing a new structure or field, generally speaking.
By your metric, the work of the average wagie and office drone might not be considered work at all since there's little to no hard labor involved.
Have you ever done farm labour? My friend grew up on a hobby farm his programmer parents ran. All they had was chickens. Every day, he had to get up early before school and shovel shit, pour grain into troughs, etc. This persisted until his mid-20's. Dude has been ripped all his life. It's not "simple and easy".
not that anon but I have worked as a farm hand at a few places in the past
had to dig some emergency flood drainage ditches in hurricane conditions once, have shoveled my share of manure, extirpated weeds from large plots, set up irrigation tubes, picked, etc
chickens are easy, you can raise them in the city with only a little more difficulty
That's crazy, because I have literally known and been related to people who raise chickens my ENTIRE life, and not a single one got 'ripped' from raising fucking 5lb birds. You sound like a fucking rube who spends his days fellating anyone who knows how to do anything agricultural. Or just an idiot.
You can literally raise chickens with a 5x5 cage, chicken feed, and nothing else. They aren't fucking pack animals you fucking retard.
It sounded like he was talking about a lot of chickens verses just a couple
>not a single one got 'ripped' from raising fucking 5lb birds.
You don't get ripped from lifting chickens, you get ripped from lifting their sacks of feed and and yes, shoveling their shit (if there's enough shit to shovel everyday we're talking hundreds of chickens at the very least)
>he had to get up early before school and shovel shit, pour grain into troughs
Wow sounds so difficult. Sounds like that might take at least 20 mins tops.
>Chores are not hard physical labor.
Yes they were. Even 20th century appliances and amenities created a tremendous social shift because the amount of work women had to do around the house was cut down so drastically, now consider maintaining a home without any technology from the past 1,000 years. This is why for most of history anyone with enough money had servants handling everything for them, because if they were doing it themselves they would have no time for higher pursuits.
>There are always chores, yes. Chores are not hard physical labor.
Just because they aren't 15 hour days does not make them any less hard and long. Even on modern day small family farms, it takes hours a day to inspect your property, tend to it and if you actually have to repair the property it's going to take longer. Taking 4-5 hours of your day with an average sized property.
Modt people sort of like that. Maybe you don't enjoy labour but most men are naturally inclined to it
>if you like doing chores they stop being chores
>AHHH IM GOING INSANE MY HUSBAND IS MAKING ME SEW HIS RIPPED TROUSERS AND HE'S PUTTING WATER IN A BUCKET FOR THE COWS AHHH THIS IS INHUMANE LABOUR
You’d unironically feel that way after the 100,000th time it happened.
Zoomers in an age of 24/7 internet access can’t comprehend the corrosive effect of boredom
It’s a good thing they had large families and lived in villages where everyone could get together and entertain eachother.
That just means you have zero privacy and if you had a melt down from the sheer banality and tedium of your existence everyone finds out quick and everyone is quick to meddle in your personal shit and it’s not like you have a separate bedroom to go lock yourself in with your PC you just have to eat it
imagine how well adjusted most of us could have been without radio and computers, then. running to the bedroom pc has only further exacerbated autism whereas people then (and even in the 90s, 80s to some degree) were forced to interact with people so you grow out of your 'tism more.
If you were an antisocial sperg now, you would have been an antisocial turnip farmer then, spending a majority of his day doing rote tedious work with nothing to stimulate his mind so now all the other kids make fun of him for being a dullard, only far more isolated and miserable because he doesn’t even have books to escape the monotony of his life, his whole existence is to be the butt of other people’s jokes. Even the king kept someone like this around to take the edge off
You think personality is mediated by genetics but not intelligence. Curious
Being an under-stimulated illiterate guarantees that anyone with an ounce of wit punches down at you and you are too stupid to know any better
Boredom literally doesn't exist without tech induced ADHD brain
mfs on this board be thinking peasants just head on down to wallmart to buy themselves shit no cap fr fr
Nope. Most days ended at noon. If they didn’t it was because something needed fixing, and most of those were modern items which were barely used anyway but just around for convenience.
Nope. Most days ended when the sun went down. Even then there was still work to be done indoors.
nagger I interacted with the Amish who were just about as close as we can get to a medieval peasant here in America. I noticed none of the men had watches and I asked "what time do you guys stop working?" And wanna guess what he said? "When the sun begins to go down."
Work just didn't end at noon
Yes because modern people are used to their own world where "holiday" means "you do not work" and not "you do not necessarily have to work on the very slim off chance that nothing needs to be done".
>peasants didn't work on the 100+ holidays granted to them.
They didn't work their LORD's fields on those days. That's when they had time to actually farm for their own sustenance rather than the lord's profit.
Even more cringe is people that think this lifestyle was worse than running around hunting animals like a nagger.
I would like to be a hunter gatherer for a full year, as like a philosophical exercise.
There's no reason to want to be a medieval peasant that being a hunter gatherer wouldn't give you in even greater quantities.
>blows my mind that so many retards think that wagies didn't work on the 10+ holidays granted to them. they still had to tend to the house, and car and perform matinence on their computer. do people really think they just sat around doing nothing?
You miss the point entirely, retard. One always has things to do on one's days off. That medieval peasants might have had even one more days of "rest" than us, with our infinitely greater personal access to food and resources, implies that something is fundementally wrong with our socio-economic system.
You're the retard for not realizing that modern wage labor and subsistence agriculture are completely different sets of circumstances and our concept of a holiday is a completely separate idea from theirs.
>one always has things to do on one's day off
No shit you moron. A subsistence farmer in the middle ages, on his "day off", is simply free from labor obligations to his lord. He still has to do EXACTLY THE SAME KIND OF WORK EVERY SINGLE DAY to support his own family. He doesn't work for a wage. He doesn't have paid holidays. It's not comparable. Stop being a fucking idiot.
Everyone on this board should be hanged tbh
I have to maintain my house, my car, and my personal belongings on my day off. How exactly is that different from a peasant making furniture or repairing clothes on his days off? I still have to work every day to maintain my standard of living, much as my ancestors 1500 years ago did. But somehow I have far fewer days where I am free to work as I choose, and far more days where I must work regardless of choice, than a medieval peasant. That is not good. It is perhaps worse than the what the peasant got, because the labour I perform has no apparent connection to self-maintenance, which, as Kaczynski noted, is inimical to human thriving.
And no, feudal labour obligations did not have much of anything to do with the multitude of religious holidays which the medieval peasant enjoyed. The serf's requirement to work his master's fields only covered a fraction (1/5th at most) of his total non-holiday time during the year. Essential tasks such as plowing were performed regardless of whether it was a holiday or not, while normal labour obligations were general ignored or reserved depending on the solemnity being observed
>Just laundry and regular cleaning.
>Using stuff he bought from a supermarket.
Your peasants didn't have chores, they had full on maintenance jobs.
Your peasant didn't have a supermarket or a general store of dry goods. He made his soap himself, he made his brushes by himself, etc.
Your peasant doesn't live in a cookie cutter house or an apartment, but in a shack that is almost always in some form of disrepaire. Roofs need to be thatched and rethatched. Strewns need clearing out least you get diseases. The poo bucket needs emptying, etc.
Your peasant didn't also have refrigeration so he's gonna work day in day out preserving food, making sure the ones in storage are not rotting, baking his bread if they do bread, and tending to the livestock that they personally own ensuring they're fed & not dying. You do your own slaughtering & meat preparation every week? I bet you bought your meat from a store.
And you have this innocent idea that you're gonna do nothing between planting & harvesting lmao. You don't have firstie chemical pesticides my boy, you're gonna spend a lot of your off time maintaining the fields for pests, potential crop die-offs,. You also don't have much antibiotics and a wealth of modern veterinary knowledged so you're gonna have to watch the village livestock too and handle sick animals, pregnant animals.
You're gonna work double in winter seasons. And god help you if you live in a tropical area where the farming cycles are much faster.
There's a reason why peasants live in clans while your firstie ass is able to live in an apartment by yourself or in a nuclear family.
>why peasants live in clans while your firstie ass is able to live in an apartment by yourself or in a nuclear family.
Not medieval european peasants. Where do you think the nuclear family comes from, retard?
>Not medieval european peasants.
Medieval European peasants live as extended families.
Peasants weren’t the norm for history. They weren’t even the norm in the Middle Ages.
And no he wouldn’t be hard working, he’d work less hours and days off would see him waking up at 6 am and finishing at 10 am, he does nearly every other day besides harvest or planting season.
>peasants weren't the norm for history
Even nowadays there are countries where >50% of the workforce is engaged in subsistence agriculture.
What do you expect of firstie westerners who havent seen subsistence agricultural societies up fucking close?
farm work is pretty comfy, at least what I've experienced here in the US with modern equipment, I'm sure it sucked in the past
a lot to do but low intensity, lots of downtime
but its constant and there's no vacations, it becomes a way of life, even for a seasonal hand you are in it everyday, there are no days off
compared to work in a factory where you will work only 4 days a week, but 10+ hours of high intensity work, if I didn't have those days off I would die, idk how chinese people do it
>do people really think they just sat around doing nothing?
Yes, they do think that. It's what urban life does to a mfer, these people have no idea how annoying farm life is.
There's a reason why nobody wants to live like a Kenyan peasant kek
What exactly do you think tending to fields and animals looks like?
You ever looked after 150 cattle?
The difficulty of farmwork has been vastly overstated by industrialist shills.
Plowing, planting, and harvesting IS hard work. The rest of the year you just do oddjobs.
Modern farming is tutorial mode, I know this farmer irl and he spends most of his day playing vidya no joke. He just takes breaks and checks up on shit every once and awhile and deals with some animals. Takes a couple hours tops. Back in the day there was less automation I guess but it couldn't have been that different and you can tell women to do the busywork like laundry
Modern farming is easy precisely because of 'industrial' technological advances you dumb fuck, it's not overrated because some dipshit now has a computer that tells him when exactly his cows need to get milked
Doesn't matter. Still better than today's work
In what way?
It wasn't soulless