>Berber Africa -from northern Morocco to Tripolitania- had a population of more than 3 million inhabitants in the third century, according to histo...

>Berber Africa -from northern Morocco to Tripolitania- had a population of more than 3 million inhabitants in the third century, according to historian Hilario Gomez,[6] and nearly 40% were living in more than 500 cities. But in the sixth century -after the Byzantine reconquest- the population was reduced to less than 2.5 millions and after the Arab conquest in the eighth to tenth centuries there remained only one million (nearly all living in the countryside, with the Arab newly founded capital Kairouan having just 30,000 inhabitants). Roman northwestern Africa with its cities and civilization had practically disappeared in just two centuries of Arab domination.

How horrible was the fall of the Roman empire for North Africa from an economic point of view?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Turns out that being cut out from the rest of the Mediterranean is bad when all your other neighbors are desert bandits and camel herders.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    A tragedy without parallels.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Shutup cracker

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Not even the same anon but what's true is true. NA went to shit once the white man left.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Not even the same anon but what's true is true. NA went to shit once the white man left.
          Romans did not see the Carthagnians as some completely foreign race to them. They did see the albino dimwitted barbarians of the north as slow alien subhumans to them tho

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Don't forget how desertification destroyed any hope of permanent recovery in the high/late middle ages. You don't hear about Tunisia and Algeria being major food exporters

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >You don't hear about Tunisia and Algeria being major food exporters
      Only the small area of Africa (tunisia) was a food exporter and that's because the Roman's turned it into a plantation to feed italy. Most of the manor lords there were Italians as well. So yeah frick off

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        And because it rained more back then. For example, those forests in Algeria and Tunisia that Roman sources talk about no longer exist because the ecosystem can't support them anymore. North Africa does not get sufficient rain beyond its coastal areas anymore. Those Roman plantations weren't built in the desert, you know

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Roman's turned it into a plantation to feed italy. Most of the manor lords there were Italians as well.
        it's how cringe westoids are. Arab rule over us only lasted a few years as well.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          So what happened? How did you go from that to the absolute current state? Desertification alone doesn't explain it.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            North Africa was never the paradise you described it as fool. Forcing the entire province and its people to work in plantations is going to produce a surplus in grain but all of that was devoted to Italy and Italians. Why aren't you here asking why Italy stopped being a food exporter and in particular why Sicily lost its status as the breadbasket of the Mediterranean under Roman rule. Dumbass Romaboo

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Wtf romebros I thought we wuz civilized n shit

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Roman north africa had much more than 3 million :

    >"The estimates put forward, and which refer to the period going from the years 150 to the middle of the following century - period of Antonines and Severus, considered as the apogee of Roman Africa -, vary from four to six or seven million inhabitants, these last two figures being more often retained. We will simply observe that we could count up to nearly five hundred cities, an enormous figure - two hundred of which at least in the current limits of Tunisia -, representing the quarter or even the third of the total population."

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >estimates
    Yawn

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    A great part climate change hurt Africa and the end of Roman rule and their cooperative agreements with Numidia (which was basically part of the Roman state) and other Berber people would suffer without the more or less economic lifeline that the Roman military and local economy gave. The Roman army in the region was keen to keep them pacified and help nomads move to pastures quickly as to not hurt the local Roman and Punic population. So when the Roman Army and after the death of Gaiseric these nomads were able to devastate much of non-costal Roman Africa

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      How much of the Roman and Punic population was actually Roman and Punic btw? Why is it so common to hear of figures (like St Augustine, Lusius Quietus and Macrinus) around these areas coming from latinized berber families?

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    1 million is just for the Bedouin lifestyle arabs brought

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Berber Africa
    >in the third century
    This land was inhabited by Phoenicians, Romans, Blacks and Greeks in the third century.

    There's no evidence that a people called Berbers lived in North Africa prior to the 7th century.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This is obvious bait but I'll bite. There was a literal numidian kingdom that the romans conquered. They were berbers. Therefore there is evidence you're talking out of your ass.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >numidian
        What's your evidence that Numidians were Berber?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The name berbers was invented by the romans and the greeks. It literally means barbarians and was used to refer to all civilizations outside of Rome. Germanics were also barbarians but the name berber didn’t stick to their native people. Native nafri berbers today show a close genetic link to these numidians (see pic related). Their language comes from the tribes that originally made up Numidia. Their old gods still have some mark on the language as well. There is plenty of proof that the native population of northh africa descends from these people.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The Romans and the Greeks (Strabo and Herodotus) referred to the various Semitic and African populations inhabiting NA as Libyans, Mauritanians, Garamantes, Nasamones, Numidians, Afri, and so on.

            Barbarians is an exonym that referred to non-greek speaking people. It's not an ethnic group.

            >AlgerianNumidian
            There's no such sample on G25.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The word berber today and since the middle ages has also been an exonym for the amazigh people. The latter derives their lineage exactly from the tribes which were formed the
            > Libyans, Mauritanians, Garamantes, Nasamones, Numidians, and so on
            I don’t understand how you can know about these people and not know that they would today be known as amazigh. Peninsular Italy is today formed out of tons of people but it would be silly so say a venetian is not descended from Romans because Venice was founded after the Roman empire collapsed.

            > It's not an ethnic group
            I didn’t say berbers are barbarians and therefore an ethnic group. I said that the ethnic group were called that name and it stuck with them. How can you know what an exonym is but not understand that berbers don’t call themselves berbers.
            Amazigh is an ethnic group.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            He is probably a typical cuck who seethe at nafris here

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao what ? Kairouan was one of the largest cities in the mediterranean world. And Ifriqiyya (modern day Tunisia) was also one of the richest lands during the 7th-11th century and especially under the Aghlabids. Where did you get this shit from ?

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How can you take these numbers seriously

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