>benchmarks suggest this was the most important leap in computing since the invention of the transistor and all other architectures have been made utterly obsolete overnight
>four years later
>nobody cares
Was it a meme all along?
>benchmarks suggest this was the most important leap in computing since the invention of the transistor and all other architectures have been made ...
Thing gets beat by ryzen cpus. All apple ever is is marketing hype.
yeah by the most expensive ryzen cpus on desktop. for a laptop it's still impressive.
No it gets beaten by mobile APUs at the same total power draw
>zen
>
>benchmarks suggest this was the most important leap in computing
>five years later
>everyone still buys intel
AMD's market share against Intel basically doubled since the introduction of Zen.
>AMDrone still seething he's back to #2 in CPU and GPU's
Cope fag
x86 is a dying architecture
>x86 is a dying architecture
2 more weeks and it's over for x86, trust the plan!
>INB4 Clock per Watt cope
Moving directly from 14nm housefire intel to 5nm TSMC with effective exclusivity for a few years is the only reason ARM macs were regarded as anything special.
Apple still have a node lead but 3nm offers very little over 5nm & 4nm as demonstrated by ryzen 7000.
>but 3nm offers very little over 5nm & 4nm as demonstrated by ryzen 7000.
Because Moore's law is finally dead
benchmarks suggest this was the most important leap in computing since the invention of the transistor and all other architectures have been made utterly obsolete overnight
Apparently, apple huffing their collective farts doesn't improve real world performance.
The fact that (almost) nobody cares or even knows is actually a remarkable testament to their compatibility layers.
They changed to a completely different platform with a completely different ISA and yet the only observable difference was that the new macbooks were noticeably faster, quieter, and had better battery life than the old ones. Impressive.
Windows On ARM still has some way to go by comparison. (on Linux, box86/box64 exists but I have no idea how good it is)
That's just because Apples approach to backwards compatibility is that anyone who has a problem can go fuck themselves.
They've done this plenty of times by now with dropping 32-bit app support, dropping PPC support, dropping 68k support, dropping support for pre-7.0 programs and probably a few I've forgotten.
Meanwhile in Windows land the day your Visual Basic 4.0 programs stop running is the day the entire platform just fucking dies.
I wonder how Microsoft wants to solve this problem because eventually they will have to drop support for certain legacy features.
I hope windows die before we have to see that day. Shit all on windows you want, the greatest thing about it compare to linux and macos is it's stability and back compatibility. This reliability is why i still use it over Linux. I can just find a 25 year old program on some random ass site and still run it flawlessly (sometimes even better) with zero issues
Except any Demo Disk, or games released on Steam by AAA companies, or older business software that only runs on XP, or Internet Explorer, or
Literally what are you even talking about? I have never had any trouble with any of those. A few things required installing a couple dependencies but they were as simple as running an installer and done. Give examples for any of them and stop being vague. As for IE, the only example you gave, it works perfectly on my windows 10 installation. The only problem is no websites work on it because the internet has abandoned IE. The software itself works flawlessly and i can even run simple html/css pages locally without issues.
>demo disk
There was a series by Funhaus about them just playing through a binder of shitty old demo disks. 1/5 ever ran
>AAA games
FO3 couldn't run on Windows 10 for many years.
>business software
Many ATMs run XP and can only run XP, many controllers in industrial/blue collar settings use similar homebrew software that can't or hasn't been updated in an equally long time, stuck on older versions of windows as well.
>There was a series by Funhaus about them just playing through a binder of shitty old demo disks. 1/5 ever ran
Fair, I'll concede that but that probably has to do with removing some of the default software that came with the OS and it can probably be reinstalled pretty easy but finding those will be the actual pain, so you have a fair point.
>FO3
I played it on xp compatibility mode recently and it gave me no issues. Same with many other games of the time, i had to install a few dependencies for some but it was a non issue mostly.
>ATMs, Controllers
These are not software. This is a case of the hardware not being able to support newer OS and not the case of the OS dropping support of older software. This is not relevant.
>it can probably be reinstalled pretty easy
I'm going to guess it can't. the '95 to '06 period of windows games are the "lost decade" where rapid changes in hardware and windows and how the two work together have rendered everything in weird states of broken. Some stuff got various patches over the years, but we are in the state where even those patches used deprecated libraries to work.
'80-'95 was all DOS. You needed a sound card, but the rest was all standards, VGA+x86 and so at the most you need a decelerator TSR to stop XCOM from running a million times too fast.
But '95 to '06 was the dark days when microsoft was replacing major DirectX shit every other month, and games had to be hard coded to support your 3D accelerator because shit wasn't documented properly, drivers were badly implemented and DirectX took the "if nVidia says it's fine, it's fine."
'06 brought about Microsoft's attempt to unite the 360 with windows and while GfWL was a disaster, the broader compatibility with DirectX9c/10 and Xinput fixed a LOT of issues with PC gaming. And then you can thank the total stagnation of PCs from '06 to '20 for how little issue you have for those games. Now in the modern era nobody does anything worth keeping, it's all service bullshit that will be tossed before the libraries they depend on are deprecated.
>These are not software.
The software that runs on these machines is, in fact, software that doesn't run on modern windows.
>I wonder how Microsoft wants to solve this problem because eventually they will have to drop support for certain legacy features.
Windows has killed programs and features over the years with every new version.
HOWEVER they are careful to only kill the ones that practically no one uses.
If windows kills the top 5 games people are playing on windows right now in the next version addicted gamer will suicide bomb them.
Daily reminder you can not play unreal 2 on any windows after win 7.
>Meanwhile in Windows land the day your Visual Basic 4.0 programs stop running is the day the entire platform just fucking dies.
No they killed 16 bit programs or anything that used 16 bit programs once they moved to 64 OS.
MS kills things only they try to not upset most of its user base.
Crapple simply nukes everything.
What are people even buying macs for? As overpriced paper weights?
To brows facebook? What do you even do on a mac?
>No they killed 16 bit programs or anything that used 16 bit programs once they moved to 64 OS.
Pretty sure that was a limitation of x86 protected mode anyway.
>Pretty sure that was a limitation of x86 protected mode anyway.
Translation:
>MS can not write a 16 bit emulator for whatever old ass games that still have 16 bit code in hem.
>x86 protected
Daily reminder you can not play unreal 2 on 64 bit windows 10. Unreal 2 is 32 bit 100%.
emulating shit is out of scope for my OS. I've used virtual machines for 32 bit games which still contain 16 bit code and I dont' see any problem with doing this.
>emulating shit is out of scope for my OS
Why?
>Daily reminder you can not play unreal 2 on 64 bit windows 10
Pretty sure that's because of the DRM
Old versions of SecuROM are highly vulnerable and embed themselves deep into the OS so current versions of Windows pretty much treat them like malware. The now delisted GOG version still works on the latest Windows.
>Pretty sure that's because of the DRM
probably this. if anything, we need windows to shake up more shit that isn't explicitly documented to shit on DRM naggers so maybe enough outcry will make congress act to repeal DMCA.
>so maybe enough outcry will make congress act to repeal DMCA.
This will never happen. You'll just end up with software breaking after a few years if you don't pay for the monthly subscription.
the unreal anthology dvd from 2006 already removed securom. it has no drm other than the serial key. doesn't even check if a disc is inserted. i wonder how many games there actually are that only have securom-protected versions, never re-released without in the past decades.
>unreal 2
game works fine on win10. I have both the steam version (now delisted) and the unreal anthology dvd. there was also a gog version.
Honestly, at this point I think they pretty much have gamble by forking an entire new OS to stay competitive and not slowly die.
Keep releasing Windows for boomers, enterprise, and "power users" and what not. Then make a macOS copy with a cohesive software suite and without 30 years of legacy tech debt and BC. It's clear to anyone the pajeets can barely keep Windows going, which is why they have more or less been stuck reskinning the same 20% of programs over and over again with no major improvements since like 2009.
I agree that's Apple's /usual/ approach but it's not what they did with Rosetta. Everything works well. Very few people encountered any issues.
Granted, but hardly anyone used that and it isn't their fault anyway- Windows on ARM support still isn't where it needs to be, and certainly wasn't in 2020.
Apple provide transitional support. You are warned you've got a limited time to upgrade or change software to supported versions going forward. You as an end user have to retire perfectly good software and buy new ones.
On windows microsoft maintains binary compatibility going WAY back and this has repeatedly prevented you from getting new shit because the legacy win32 team says it would take 2 years and 30 QA testers to find all the ways a win9x program would fail on WinFS so we aren't doing it.
But let's be honest here, Microsoft have been randomly breaking old code forever. People complained incessantly about XP when it was launched, Vista broke loads of XP shit, 7 was just Vista and 8/10 broke even more. Microsoft's approach to back compat can be summarised as "fuck knows" at this point.
>New shit.
Like? What do even apple fags do on their crapple metal?
Renew their Photoshop subscription?
>Microsoft's approach to back compat can be summarised as "fuck knows" at this point.
This is true. MS is not some
>We must preserve every program ever written for windows 1.0 and after!
Like 95% of the stuff will go some will break.
And 100% of the most popular stuff will be supported however obscure things can go down.
Apple on the other hand breaks everything and tells you to go and buy new apps.
Apple buyers are degenerates with no self respect.
>tells you to go and buy new apps
Like what? If you bought x86 photoshop you get arm photoshop too.
>Like what?
Are there not some PP or OS9 games who are now unplayable?
>photoshop
Yikes! Keep on giving adobe money for free (CC subscription) you pay pig.
>boot camp doesn't work
No observable difference my ass.
>nobody cares
probably because
>benchmarks suggest this was the most important leap in computing since the invention of the transistor and all other architectures have been made utterly obsolete overnight
is not true
>Apple shiticon
No it is literally a retarded ARM chip nothing special it still can never out power x86.
Now apple literally has nothing.
x86 is good for its power and backwards compatibility.
What is apple shiticon good for?
Watching facebook on you overpriced ARM laptop for 24h?
Idiot.
hopefully RISC-V will save us from the ARM and Intel israelites.
problem is Qualshitter wants RISC-V to basically be a rip-off AArch64 though.
>hopefully RISC-V
It will not.
> RISC-V
Break all existing x86 games
>Break all existing x86 games
good?
stop being a fucking gamer or demand studios update their shit.
no.
>or demand studios update
Congrats you retard.
Yea demand that the game made in 1999 is updated.
>b-b-b-b
Stop playing modern goyslop loot box games. Embrace tradition.
>Yea demand that the game made in 1999 is updated.
ya, do it homosexual. stop being a nagger.
there is no excuse for software to be unbuildable in 2023 when FOSS shitware from ages ago still functions in this age. maybe nonfree cucks have massive skill issues.
Completely delusional, like all freetards.
I didn't remember asking, slave.
I don't remember asking you to act like a clown yet here you are.
>when FOSS shitware from ages ago still functions
LOL no.
Literally every foss crap from even 7 years ago is broken.
You do not know this because you literally only updoot to the latest crap that the repo farts out.
>itt retards that don't understand the importance of memory bandwidth
>That begs the question, why does the M1 Max have such massive bandwidth? The GPU naturally comes to mind, however in my testing, I’ve had extreme trouble to find workloads that would stress the GPU sufficiently to take advantage of the available bandwidth. Granted, this is also an issue of lacking workloads, but for actual 3D rendering and benchmarks, I haven’t seen the GPU use more than 90GB/s (measured via system performance counters). While I’m sure there’s some productivity workload out there where the GPU is able to stretch its legs, we haven’t been able to identify them yet.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/2
i have a 5650u ryzen laptop and a m2 air laptop
the ryzen one is hot and loud and apple is silent and cold on idle on my lap
big difference
>silent and cold on idle on my lap
So is my HP Pavilion Aero 13 (Ryzen 5800U). When it's idling with the screen turned off, I like asking people if they think the laptop is on.
I'm pretty sure it was on par with Intel CPU/APU combos that existed like 5 years before it came out
It was way stronger than the M1, but Apple only measures benchmarks against its own products, which are always shit, to make the number say 2x rather than 1.021x
They lied about power consumption. They basically painted the idea that an ARM macbook could do the same thing as a more power hungry laptop PC while using only a fraction of the power. Then people started noticing that this "revolutionary" ARM thing was chewing through 100 watts of power under load and people became really suspicious about all the energy efficiency claims. Combined with all the brutal performance regressions emulating PC software with AVX2 optimizations and even the tech illiterates have begun questioning the merit of geekbench results.
It was forward-thinking to move system RAM into the CPU package, but lack of modularity and upgradability keeps them in the toy class of computing. Also, M1/M2 GPU is nice for an iGPU, but it's only on par with a 3060, so Apple needs to end the grudge with Nvidia and provide the OS with drivers for their cards.
>Also, M1/M2 GPU is nice for an iGPU, but it's only on par with a 3060
Emulation performance penalty realistically brings it closer to a GTX 1050ti but only in games where AVX2 isn't used else it's closer to a GT 1030. Not even the somewhat okay GDDR5 version, I'm talking about the joke DDR4 one.
didn't a snapdragon arm chip mogged M* chips last week?
the fact that it is tied to only 20% of a very ossified market ensured that it wasn't going to be a revolution
arm and other risc cpus won't displace x86 until windows arm machines can meet consumer expectations
>apple selling smoke
What's the news?
they lost all their good engineers, now their single core power is stagnating
>7,000 dollars laptop in 3nm very expensive massive Die, can't compete 4070 laptop and even lost with 4070 laptop.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-16-2023-M3-Max-Review-M3-Max-challenges-HX-CPUs-from-AMD-Intel.766414.0.html
Apple Silicon will be viewed as a genius strategic move in 10 years or so
It already is being viewed as one, and rightly, although its technical merits are overstated.
>although its technical merits are overstated
Definitely but they don't even seem to make proper use of the software side
Their efforts with emulation and compatibility seem half assed still
But at least in the areas I'm interested in (audio/music) the basic stuff seems to be there
It's not a big market for obvious reasons but they're also neglecting a slight increase in potential on the (more casual) computer gaming side
Not even 1 studio making apple silicon exclusive games?
apple obviously won't be a gaming company but you could still get some gamers to switch over if they only play certain games
Nobody is going to switch to mac for 1 mac exclusive game, even if it was half life 3. They'd be trading every game ever vs 1 new game. If apple had something like proton that worked well for their arm cpus then maybe they'd have a chance.
They already do - it's called Rosetta.
The issue isn't translating CPU instructions, it's translating Windows API calls. But that's already being worked on with the Game Porting Toolkit.
Rosetta 2 (1 was for PPC to x86) is for translating x64 instructions to ARM. Not translating foreign OS calls to macOS ones.
Game Porting Toolkit is a toy project anyways because no one at Apple thinks Vulkan support is of any priority, except maybe the people that keep Apple on the Khronos promoter tier. If the macOS team implemented a native Vulkan driver tomorrow, DXVK would take over the role of translation and all they would need is a wrapper to turn alien API calls into macOS ones. Not to forget the fair few number of Vulkan games that would immediately be usable.
I wonder if apple put off gaming as a priority until now because they didn't want to be associated with gamers and "cheapening" their desktop OS with toy gaming apps. But now it kinda feels like they're trying to be a serious competitor to windows now that nobody wants windows 11.
Apple likes gaming, except that it's for their iPhones and iPads, since that garners them a whopping amount of money every quarter.
Their porting toolkit is the bare minimum for developers to look at macOS as a potential target to port to, not consumers to pick it up and game, like Proton.
Windows 11 being awful to old hardware doesn't mean that macOS suddenly gets a boost. There's plenty of old hardware Linux could be installed on that would otherwise be unsupported, and macOS needs hardware to actually get any benefit out of it. Hackintosh is a dying art btw.
Linux marketshare on desktops will always be negligible but Mac OS is always rising. Even normies are waking up to Windows' bullshit and are jumping ship if they can afford the premium of a mac.
Apple is pretty retarded and could not be retarded, such a waste
That said I'll switch laptop wise to M4 macbook once those are out
Unfortunately outside of stuff like Framework (still seems to need improvements) the laptop market seems to be in a weird place
until they make useful software the hardware will be useless
it was a big leap in computing but nobody cares because it runs Mac os
Apple is for naggers, roasties, pajeets larping as whites, whites who think status matters, etc.
>10 months since Ryzen 7000
It only felt like 4 months at max...
iPhone in decline in Japan, the nips don't want it and they don't want to seem poor, like Americans who buy iphones
A Cringey aspect of american culture is poor people make-believing they're not poor if they walk around with expensive things (this is commonly seen with Africans buying shiny things), and apples latest ad campaign is telling me that women will have sex with them if they have an iPhone, and they get women to repeat the "blue bubble" comments to make-believing owning an iPhone = sex.
Japan is breaking up with apple
https://9to5google.com/2023/09/28/google-pixel-japan-iphone-market-share/
Whether you're looking for a great phone or looking to hop on the winning bandwagon, apple is losing in america too, and the google pixel is stealing crapple's sales.
And here we see the utter domination required to break through apple's legendary reality distortion field https://9to5google.com/2023/10/13/google-pixel-8-display/
I bought cheap android couple years ago and yes it still simply just works. People who are paying over one thousand for goyphones are simply dumb paypigs, what do they even do on their tranny phones except doomscroll shittok and reply to messages and emails? Oh, no I need to take quality pictures on my phone? What? You can buy medium format camera for 3k that will last you decade minimum plus produce stunning pictures, oh no medium format camera too big? Ok? buy pocket apsc.
I love TPD on those fuckers.
Intel tpd is retarded.
Chinese building ghost cities is equivalent to roastie replying to emails in israeliteyork, chinks at least produce something useful.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/19/huaweis-chip-breakthrough-poses-new-threat-to-apple-in-china.html
those are sales data, not active users.
people just use their iPhones longer.
>Apple has reached a new milestone on how many people are actively using iPhones, iPads, Macs, and its other hardware products: 2 billion. The number highlights fast growth for the company, which hit 1.5 billion active devices at the start of 2020 and only surpassed 1 billion back in 2016.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/2/23583501/apple-iphone-ipad-active-2-billion-devices-q1-2023
meanwhile in the real world in real use cases
iPhones are for the economically disadvantaged
(cringey) American culture when poors make-believe they're rich.
I didn't do my homework on the iPhone, but the s23 ultra is the best phone ever made minus an SD card slot, audio jack, sim card tray, removable battery and other modular hardware
e-boing @ poor people buying iphones to seem Rich, when only poor people buy iphones and it's a sign that you're poor. e-boing @crapple for not being able to buck the obsolescence train they've been riding.
The s9 ultra tablet is $800 less than crapple's top tier iPad & the iPad doesn't do1 thing better than the ultra. i'm losing my shit over here. & ipad has a shitty screen ratio. they're saying how the pens are basically the same but that cannot be true; the s pen has a finer tip which... why in the heck wouldn't you want that? the crapple also uses an LCD screen. all the advantages for LCD are not in play here, like lower cost, higher brightness, availability, size&resolution - holy shit they don't even have a 16:9 screen ratio or a bigger screen. this doesn't make sense to exist. someone is claiming android can't do vector graphics but according to the adobe illustrator description, it does. and that's a desktop function anyway
The iWatch is *egregiously* obsolete because it has cheap, inferior sapphire that totally defeats the purpose of using sapphire&the battery doesn't even last a day, which makes it significantly less useful than the galaxy watch 5&6 (gw5) &they're charging MORE than the superior gw5 & 6 that have a 2.5-3 day battery life. The iWatch's audience is no one.
Everything apple makes is obsolete&obviously so. Crapple has no reason to exist&the world would be just fine if that TRILLION dollar company disappeared without a trace tomorrow.
PC & Android master race signing off.
based
world most powerful phone processor
can play your favorite clash of clans ripoff in 4k!!!!! wow!
POO IN LOO
bullshit.
i can clearly see your poo-colored hands.
Asphalt devs were doing stupid things that even made them getting called out by Apple.
https://www.macrumors.com/2023/10/03/apple-preparing-ios-17-0-3/
Asphalt 9: Legends version 4.31 on October 6 then fixed the overheating.
>We have added a system improvement that will decrease the CPU consumption when running Asphalt 9 on any iOS device
https://apps.apple.com/ph/app/asphalt-9-legends/id805603214
what the FUCK were they thinking
Why the fuck aren't we improving battery tech? Shits been the same since 2012
Because goyapple makes more money and generally all companies sell more devices this way every year, go figure.
bullshit.
macbook retina in 2015 brought apple's new terraced battery technology. 35% more capacity.
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2015/03/09Apple-Unveils-All-New-MacBook/
Is there no hope for Windows laptops getting rid of modern standby and getting better battery life? Those 12+ hour battery life listings never seem to true
you make no sense.
12+ hour battery life claims aren't talking about any standby.