>be the IP of Micron >partner company intel literally lies to your face about their fab capacity and technical ability >final product does not hit original publicly stated goals >density targets totally off mark, lower IOPS, higher power draw >sells like shit because NAND competition is rapidly advancing while intel is an anchor around your neck
Poor Micron. Cucked to death by israelites. PCM as a concept is 100% solid and needs to be further developed and produced by a better foundry. Its just a shame that no one other than Sony is putting real money into it at the moment.
For people who don't know: Micron partnered with intel and made a new joint company called IM Flash to produce Micron's PCM technology which was later called 3D X-Point and then sold under the Optane marketing brand name. Micron was so unhappy with intel that they totally divested from IM Flash. Its basically been dead in the water for 4 years now because of intel's gross incompetence.
We could have had for all practical cases infinite lifespan solid state storage, but intel ruined it for the entire world.
>We could have had for all practical cases infinite lifespan solid state storage, but intel ruined it for the entire world.
That's just good business sense. Why make storage that will last forever when you can instead hoard the patents for it so nobody else can make it and sell storage with planned obsolescence like NAND instead?
>Why make storage that will last forever
I've never bought a storage device because the last one stopped working. It was always because I wanted to store more data.
Waltuh
Put away your wafers, Waltu
We're not doing that right now
Whats going to happen is we're going to divest from this partnership, Waltuh
You're unreliable, and we can't have that
Waltuh
>We have a system in place, Waltuh >logistics, contracts, suppliers, distributors >Promises made need to be kept, Waltuh >We can't have you disrupting that >Waltuh >Now you're going to take that money and go >and you're never going to look back >because we're done, and by done I mean "done"
Waltuh
>there ain't even any workin' drivers for what ye'r tryin' to accomplish here, waltuh
Energy usage per bit will always be higher than NAND, but it has virtually infinite wear cycles, higher IOPS on ISO process.
PCM as a concept is literally the best high performance solid state storage.
Don't even bother to post if you're this fucking stupid, shitskin moron.
Micron could not tackle technical hurdles to create a compelling product on their own, thats literally why IM Flash was created in the first place. Years out they anticipated trends in the market and wanted to leap frog them. Intel explicitly promised that they could accomplish this. Intel did not and could not deliver. The relationship and fracture between the two is well documented.
DRAM fabrication is what they specialize in and its vastly different from other types of structures like SRAM, Logic, analog, mixtures of all the above. Micron also isn't even bleeding edge when it comes to DRAM, but various NAND fabs in the industry are bleeding edge. Micron wanted help in keeping costs down, having the best cell density, having the best possible yields. They actually thought that partnering with intel would allow them to beat out all of the NAND SSDs in the market.
i had a fucking 32gb optane drive in my laptop i got second hand and even windows didnt have a driver for it built in
so i swapped it out for a normal nvme ssd and it works fine
There's some that are 3D XPoint+NAND and those ones require PCIe bifurcation to work properly. He probably bought one of those and has an older computer.
What? Not that anon but the first (read, 32GB) optane drives were literally a 32GB optane module + normal NVMe drive on one stick, and required bifurcation and specific OS and BIOS support in order to know what data to put where.
I just bought a 960gb 905p
May it be my boot drive forever
q1t1 shit holds up quiet well
Its amusing a PCIe 5 drive can't even crack half the q1t1 4k reads as a 905p
I was thinking of buying a p4800x for my game server, but now I also kinda want a 1.5TB u.2 one for my desktop boot drive. What have you done to me anon?
I misclicked
NVMe is just an interface, not directly related to the storage medium
1 month ago
Anonymous
>The drive didn't interface with my laptop properly >You idiot the drive just acts like a standard NVMe interface drive >Actually, it doesn't use the standard NVMe interface to present itself as a single NVMe device >You idiot NVMe isn't related to the storage medium
Anon, try harder
1 month ago
Anonymous
>its "just" an NVMe drive
Is what I intended to respond to, because its not. No device and its behavior is defined by the interface it communicates over.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, Waltuh.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>No device and its behavior is defined by the interface it communicates over.
That's exactly how it works.
If a drive follows the NVMe specification, it's going to be recognized by anything that also supports NVMe. If it doesn't then it's not truly an NVMe drive.
The vast majority of Optane drives are NVMe, I have a 16gb in an enclosure I use as an install drive and as a boot drive in something else.
1 month ago
Anonymous
signaling and physical interface standard does not dictate the nuances of the device itself
>What have you done to me anon?
You've caught the bug of esoteric hardware.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Owned several Sun flash accelerators since 2016 >Owned two obscure LSI Raid controllers with 2x 100GB SSDs built in >Owned an i7 6950x (RIP VCCSA killa) >Just bought a 1U AIO cooled server with a delidded, direct die cooled, overclocked i9 7980xe
I know I shouldn't, but I want to take the optane pill. I guess I'll buy a 280GB drive, use it as my boot drive and if I like it I'll buy a 1.5TB one and retire the 280GB to my servers game/DB storage
1 month ago
Anonymous
One of the main reasons I massively overpaid for a Vega tbh
I just think they're neat
>We have a system in place, Waltuh >logistics, contracts, suppliers, distributors >Promises made need to be kept, Waltuh >We can't have you disrupting that >Waltuh >Now you're going to take that money and go >and you're never going to look back >because we're done, and by done I mean "done"
Waltuh
I had that exact drive a (U.2). Sold it, but no real complaints. I ended up getting a special Star Citizen ship themed on this drive's aesthetics. Still got the ship....in a nonexistent game.
it was simply too expensive for it's niche case
it was for the poorfags that couldn't afford several hundred gigabytes of RAM but needed something faster with much better latency than nvme ssds
if i had the money i would have bought the optane instead of a nvme no doubt, but i didn't
I did that with my Samsung 840 Pro back in the day for shit n giggles. Onrico sells knock offs for like $5 or less from china though. So if you need more you might as well do that unless you want more 10k RPM suicide drives.
Fuck Optpain, U.2 was the standard that i wish took off.
M.2 lead to small overheating SSDs and have a very limited number of headers per board. U.2 would be so great for storage, but is largely confined to servers.
U.2 is a Port type you retard
None of you two homosexuals know what you are talking about
Both Nvme M.2 and U.2 connect to the PCIe lanes
The retard with the U.2 post implies it's a technology like Optane, which it isn't >The form factor has gone so far from the original intention that's it's sad.
yeah no shit, the whole ATX standard is out of date and BTX is much more reasonable for todays hardware but that would only increase the price
Optane would absolutely wreck the current ssds if it had access to the same controllers and PCIe lanes
>Both Nvme M.2 and U.2 connect to the PCIe lanes
Well yes.
But the thing with M.2 is you physically have to have board space. There are more lanes on modern chipsets than there is space to put M.2 slots sometimes.
With U.2 you can put SFF-8643 connectors near the edge of the baord and not only would it be piss easy to route since your right next to the chipset but it can also serve dual purpose and handle sata with a breakout cable.
the limiting factor is the controller not the amount of lanes
More like Optane was the only prosumer/consumer drive catering to U.2. Frens not enemies.
Optane is to this date unmached by any consumer ssd in anything but max transfer speed
if we would have PCIe 5.0 3DXPoint with new Controllers, shit would be insane with direct Storage access
I liked how esata could be used with regular sata cables. Think I still have an old mobo that had 6 SATA and 2 esata off the edge giving it 8. No breakout cable or other nonsense.
I know one is a port and one is storage. I just dont care about Optain. I just want a fucking port instead of this laptop bullshit. It wouldn't even be hard its just different connector and suddenly high end SSD wouldn't over heat with a better form factor that can radiate heat properly at a usable capacity.
Most modern software doesn't rely on single threaded random read/write performance (ie 4KB Q1T1). Because it's able to take advantage of multiple CPU cores it can utilize multiple threads to read/write to multiple files concurrently thus multi threaded random read/write performance (ie 4KB Q4T4 to Q32T16) is used instead. RAM drives fell out of fashion because of this.
THUS optane is only able to outperform NVME by "1 gorrillion times I fucking swear!" sometimes mostly in non-consumer applications.
Fuck Optpain, U.2 was the standard that i wish took off.
M.2 lead to small overheating SSDs and have a very limited number of headers per board. U.2 would be so great for storage, but is largely confined to servers.
certainly would be nice to have at least one U.2 connector on mid range+ boards. nowadays it's >you want to change your m.2 SSD? too bad gotta remove your GPU first.
and good luck to anyone with a 4090 that might not reinsert that 12VHPR plug all the way after an M.2 swap.
You don't NEED to be able to juggle a few bits of data at 0.000...1 seconds to be able to achieve significant performance leaps. You don't even have to RAID 0 NVMEs anymore, newer ones can crank out more and more multi-threaded 4KB random IOPS. Just like with thousands of ALUs on a GPU or massive mimo on 5G it's sometimes better to whip 6 million weak israeli slaves to build the pyramids vs hire the world's strongest man.
>be the IP of Micron
>partner company intel literally lies to your face about their fab capacity and technical ability
>final product does not hit original publicly stated goals
>density targets totally off mark, lower IOPS, higher power draw
>sells like shit because NAND competition is rapidly advancing while intel is an anchor around your neck
Poor Micron. Cucked to death by israelites. PCM as a concept is 100% solid and needs to be further developed and produced by a better foundry. Its just a shame that no one other than Sony is putting real money into it at the moment.
I don't feel bad at all for pic related wrecking the whole ship.
he wasn't even at intel when optane got canned, retard
For people who don't know: Micron partnered with intel and made a new joint company called IM Flash to produce Micron's PCM technology which was later called 3D X-Point and then sold under the Optane marketing brand name. Micron was so unhappy with intel that they totally divested from IM Flash. Its basically been dead in the water for 4 years now because of intel's gross incompetence.
We could have had for all practical cases infinite lifespan solid state storage, but intel ruined it for the entire world.
>We could have had for all practical cases infinite lifespan solid state storage, but intel ruined it for the entire world.
That's just good business sense. Why make storage that will last forever when you can instead hoard the patents for it so nobody else can make it and sell storage with planned obsolescence like NAND instead?
>Why make storage that will last forever
I've never bought a storage device because the last one stopped working. It was always because I wanted to store more data.
>PCM as a concept is 100% solid
wrong
>inb4 it was liquid
Liquid.
Waltuh
Put away your wafers, Waltu
We're not doing that right now
Whats going to happen is we're going to divest from this partnership, Waltuh
You're unreliable, and we can't have that
Waltuh
>there ain't even any workin' drivers for what ye'r tryin' to accomplish here, waltuh
AHAHAHAHA
NUHUHUH
HAHAHI
HAHAHAHAHA
Energy usage per bit will always be higher than NAND, but it has virtually infinite wear cycles, higher IOPS on ISO process.
PCM as a concept is literally the best high performance solid state storage.
>PCM as a concept is literally the best
cope, DSD was always superior to PCM
>Micron doesn't have access to the Intel-Micron Flash Technologies fabs
0 IQ take
Don't even bother to post if you're this fucking stupid, shitskin moron.
Micron could not tackle technical hurdles to create a compelling product on their own, thats literally why IM Flash was created in the first place. Years out they anticipated trends in the market and wanted to leap frog them. Intel explicitly promised that they could accomplish this. Intel did not and could not deliver. The relationship and fracture between the two is well documented.
Why doesn't micron just make it themselves?
DRAM fabrication is what they specialize in and its vastly different from other types of structures like SRAM, Logic, analog, mixtures of all the above. Micron also isn't even bleeding edge when it comes to DRAM, but various NAND fabs in the industry are bleeding edge. Micron wanted help in keeping costs down, having the best cell density, having the best possible yields. They actually thought that partnering with intel would allow them to beat out all of the NAND SSDs in the market.
>>get killed
nah, that's a lie, and you have nothing to back it up
>Many, many such cases!
not until you prove it, nope
I just bought a 960gb 905p
May it be my boot drive forever
q1t1 shit holds up quiet well
Its amusing a PCIe 5 drive can't even crack half the q1t1 4k reads as a 905p
intel sold everything NAND to sk hynix, wouldn't this have been included?
No, because Micron bought out Intel's share of IMFT.
i had a fucking 32gb optane drive in my laptop i got second hand and even windows didnt have a driver for it built in
so i swapped it out for a normal nvme ssd and it works fine
Optane drives are just nvme drives tho
There's some that are 3D XPoint+NAND and those ones require PCIe bifurcation to work properly. He probably bought one of those and has an older computer.
Dawg, don't try to combine words you don't understand.
What? Not that anon but the first (read, 32GB) optane drives were literally a 32GB optane module + normal NVMe drive on one stick, and required bifurcation and specific OS and BIOS support in order to know what data to put where.
I was thinking of buying a p4800x for my game server, but now I also kinda want a 1.5TB u.2 one for my desktop boot drive. What have you done to me anon?
I misclicked
NVMe is just an interface, not directly related to the storage medium
>The drive didn't interface with my laptop properly
>You idiot the drive just acts like a standard NVMe interface drive
>Actually, it doesn't use the standard NVMe interface to present itself as a single NVMe device
>You idiot NVMe isn't related to the storage medium
Anon, try harder
>its "just" an NVMe drive
Is what I intended to respond to, because its not. No device and its behavior is defined by the interface it communicates over.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, Waltuh.
>No device and its behavior is defined by the interface it communicates over.
That's exactly how it works.
If a drive follows the NVMe specification, it's going to be recognized by anything that also supports NVMe. If it doesn't then it's not truly an NVMe drive.
The vast majority of Optane drives are NVMe, I have a 16gb in an enclosure I use as an install drive and as a boot drive in something else.
signaling and physical interface standard does not dictate the nuances of the device itself
>What have you done to me anon?
You've caught the bug of esoteric hardware.
>Owned several Sun flash accelerators since 2016
>Owned two obscure LSI Raid controllers with 2x 100GB SSDs built in
>Owned an i7 6950x (RIP VCCSA killa)
>Just bought a 1U AIO cooled server with a delidded, direct die cooled, overclocked i9 7980xe
I know I shouldn't, but I want to take the optane pill. I guess I'll buy a 280GB drive, use it as my boot drive and if I like it I'll buy a 1.5TB one and retire the 280GB to my servers game/DB storage
One of the main reasons I massively overpaid for a Vega tbh
I just think they're neat
i always wanted an i-ram or a ddrdrive or a zeusram but they're uselessly small by the time they're remotely affordable
Just NVMe drives with slow sequential and ridiculously high random speeds
one 1TB SSD costs 250$, thats why it got killed, its just that nobody bought them
>We have a system in place, Waltuh
>logistics, contracts, suppliers, distributors
>Promises made need to be kept, Waltuh
>We can't have you disrupting that
>Waltuh
>Now you're going to take that money and go
>and you're never going to look back
>because we're done, and by done I mean "done"
Waltuh
>the optane meme
>superior to anything
I picked up a couple solidgm 2tb nvme they aren't terrible. Good price performance. I did install a driver for it tho haven't tested it without.
I had that exact drive a (U.2). Sold it, but no real complaints. I ended up getting a special Star Citizen ship themed on this drive's aesthetics. Still got the ship....in a nonexistent game.
Imma be in a recliner on oxygen when my force fed vr ads and clickbait stories talk about how scam citizen still hasn't delivered in 2050
It'll be his grandson keeping up the grift. Picrel is the ship btw.
Actually not modeled on the drive. More Intel aesthetic in general.
Looks dope tho just a shame
>cost 1000x more than nearest competitor
>only provide 2-4x the speed
gee, wonder why they got canned!
it was simply too expensive for it's niche case
it was for the poorfags that couldn't afford several hundred gigabytes of RAM but needed something faster with much better latency than nvme ssds
if i had the money i would have bought the optane instead of a nvme no doubt, but i didn't
i shuck $10 WD velociraptors for their giant heatsinks that my SSDs don't even need, because they look cool.
I did that with my Samsung 840 Pro back in the day for shit n giggles. Onrico sells knock offs for like $5 or less from china though. So if you need more you might as well do that unless you want more 10k RPM suicide drives.
Fuck Optpain, U.2 was the standard that i wish took off.
M.2 lead to small overheating SSDs and have a very limited number of headers per board. U.2 would be so great for storage, but is largely confined to servers.
you are so retarded it actually hurts to read this
Nothing he said was wrong tho
M.2 is for damn laptops
The form factor has gone so far from the original intention that's it's sad.
U.2 is a Port type you retard
None of you two homosexuals know what you are talking about
Both Nvme M.2 and U.2 connect to the PCIe lanes
The retard with the U.2 post implies it's a technology like Optane, which it isn't
>The form factor has gone so far from the original intention that's it's sad.
yeah no shit, the whole ATX standard is out of date and BTX is much more reasonable for todays hardware but that would only increase the price
Optane would absolutely wreck the current ssds if it had access to the same controllers and PCIe lanes
>Both Nvme M.2 and U.2 connect to the PCIe lanes
Well yes.
But the thing with M.2 is you physically have to have board space. There are more lanes on modern chipsets than there is space to put M.2 slots sometimes.
With U.2 you can put SFF-8643 connectors near the edge of the baord and not only would it be piss easy to route since your right next to the chipset but it can also serve dual purpose and handle sata with a breakout cable.
the limiting factor is the controller not the amount of lanes
Optane is to this date unmached by any consumer ssd in anything but max transfer speed
if we would have PCIe 5.0 3DXPoint with new Controllers, shit would be insane with direct Storage access
I liked how esata could be used with regular sata cables. Think I still have an old mobo that had 6 SATA and 2 esata off the edge giving it 8. No breakout cable or other nonsense.
More like Optane was the only prosumer/consumer drive catering to U.2. Frens not enemies.
I know one is a port and one is storage. I just dont care about Optain. I just want a fucking port instead of this laptop bullshit. It wouldn't even be hard its just different connector and suddenly high end SSD wouldn't over heat with a better form factor that can radiate heat properly at a usable capacity.
>expension
lel
Most modern software doesn't rely on single threaded random read/write performance (ie 4KB Q1T1). Because it's able to take advantage of multiple CPU cores it can utilize multiple threads to read/write to multiple files concurrently thus multi threaded random read/write performance (ie 4KB Q4T4 to Q32T16) is used instead. RAM drives fell out of fashion because of this.
THUS optane is only able to outperform NVME by "1 gorrillion times I fucking swear!" sometimes mostly in non-consumer applications.
>tripfag is a windowsfag
certainly would be nice to have at least one U.2 connector on mid range+ boards. nowadays it's
>you want to change your m.2 SSD? too bad gotta remove your GPU first.
and good luck to anyone with a 4090 that might not reinsert that 12VHPR plug all the way after an M.2 swap.
You don't NEED to be able to juggle a few bits of data at 0.000...1 seconds to be able to achieve significant performance leaps. You don't even have to RAID 0 NVMEs anymore, newer ones can crank out more and more multi-threaded 4KB random IOPS. Just like with thousands of ALUs on a GPU or massive mimo on 5G it's sometimes better to whip 6 million weak israeli slaves to build the pyramids vs hire the world's strongest man.
IA64 too. Incel inside will alwayz be the pajeet of the software industry
>tripfag is confidently wrong about a technical topic
what a surprise