>be most advanced and centralized empire of your time. >have a million standing soldiers

>be most advanced and centralized empire of your time
>have a million standing soldiers
>have city walls that are highly defensible
>some how a handful of horse-nomads conquer your empire in few decades

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    they were literally ruled by dickless homies

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It was a ton of horse nomads plus chinese conscripts and korean allies

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >be most advanced and centralized empire of your time
      >have a million standing soldiers
      >some how a handful of horse-nomads

      The Mongol empire was ten times bigger than the Song dynasty, it had multiples tomes the population and a bigger army by multiple times.

      >but Kublai only rul-

      The different Khanates acknowled Kublai as supreme ruler and they exchanged personnel. Han Chinese like Shi Tianlin participated in the conquests of the Golden Horde and Guo Kan participated in Ilkhanate conquests.

      The entire kingdom of Dali in Yunnan and other Tusi defected to the Mongol empire.

      Koreans particpated in the Mongol invasions of Japan not southern Song.

      Kublai Khan handed out Korean women to Southern Song soldiers who defected to the Yuan so if you count Korean women riding Han Chinese men as participation then they "participated".

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >The Mongol empire was ten times bigger than the Song dynasty, it had multiples tomes the population and a bigger army by multiple times.
        Was it? 90% of their conquest had a population density of 1

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >90% of their conquest had a population density of 1
          >Centra Asia
          >Northern Pontus and Desh-i-Kipchack
          >Iran
          >Northern China
          >population density of 1

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Centra Asia
            small population density centered around the Tarim Basin oasis cities, Fergana valley, and transoxiana. Also Mongols killed a shit ton
            >Northern Pontus and Desh-i-Kipchack
            steppes.
            >Iran
            killed like 80% of the population
            >Northern china
            only thing you're right about

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >small population
            >Khwarezm's regular army (aka without calling the tribal, peasant and cities militias) were around 500k men
            >steppes.
            populated by 1kk people

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >500k men
            You just outed yourself as an idiot

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >500k men
            not reality for a field army of this size, even Ming could barely gather 100K

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Well, they conquered northern China decades beforehand and it alone had a similar population to the southern Song along with comparable tech.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >be most advanced and centralized empire of your time
      >have a million standing soldiers
      >some how a handful of horse-nomads

      The Mongol empire was ten times bigger than the Song dynasty, it had multiples tomes the population and a bigger army by multiple times.

      >but Kublai only rul-

      The different Khanates acknowled Kublai as supreme ruler and they exchanged personnel. Han Chinese like Shi Tianlin participated in the conquests of the Golden Horde and Guo Kan participated in Ilkhanate conquests.

      The entire kingdom of Dali in Yunnan and other Tusi defected to the Mongol empire.

      Koreans particpated in the Mongol invasions of Japan not southern Song.

      Kublai Khan handed out Korean women to Southern Song soldiers who defected to the Yuan so if you count Korean women riding Han Chinese men as participation then they "participated".

      Kublai Khan gave Korean women to Han Chinese soldiers who defected.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        This strategy works every time. In fact, Tsar Vladimir should resolve the Borderland rebellion by bribing the Borderland general with Chechen women.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          you joke but I think it would actually work

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They don't have a million men standing army. Maybe they could raise that many with conscription, but not as standing army
    Also those are lots of horse nomads. The fact that they lasted decades where others got curbstomped was honestly impressive

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >yuan dynasty under Kublai Khan
    >>some how a handful of horse-nomads

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The Mongols took over the Jin Dynasty by allying with the Song who attacked them at the same time and when they fought the Song and other foes they had the resources of the Jin Dynasty (Northern China) to draw upon

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why does every time some nomad start invading china, the first thing that happens is a half of million or so of soldiers switch to their side? Don't they realized they're fricking their own country?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Because china is big and a lot of people would disagree with politics. Also raiding is fun and if you win you can increase your wealth and political influence which is really hard to do under a Chinese emperor. If I were a medieval Chinese peasant, especially on the outskirts of the empire, I would much rather fight with the invader. Less likely to die and more gain for me if I win.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Genghis Khan and the Mongol elite were white bulls. The Chinese were scrawny rice-eating yellow manlets.
      Do you need more of an explanation?

      Because china is big and a lot of people would disagree with politics. Also raiding is fun and if you win you can increase your wealth and political influence which is really hard to do under a Chinese emperor. If I were a medieval Chinese peasant, especially on the outskirts of the empire, I would much rather fight with the invader. Less likely to die and more gain for me if I win.

      Genghis Khan was a Mongoloid who raped and killed millions of Jurchens (Manchus) and Indo-Europeans in Central Asia and replaced Indo European Y DNA all over Kazakhstan and Hazarajat with his own C2a* while native O3a Y DNA remains the majority in Han people.

      Northern Han defected to Genghis to rape and kill Jurchens and Tanguts, moron.

      Shi Bingzhi, Shi Tianze, Shi Tianlin, Shi Gang,Zhang Rou,Liu Heima, Guo Baoyu and Guo Kan were all Han generals who helped rape and kill Jurchens and helped Genghis conquer Khwarezm in Central Asia (Guo Baoyu went with Genghis to Khwarezm) Guo Kan helped conquer and rape Baghdad and Shi Tianlin served as military judge under Batu Khan in the Golden Horde.

      Shi Bingzhi and his son Shi Tianze both had Korean and Jurchen wives, Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mobg Kerait woman and Shi Tianlin married Mongol women.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >bragging about how the Han Chinese defected to prep the Mongol bulls as they raped their countrywomen
        And I thought that the Chinese couldn't get more cucked. lmao.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Han Chinese and Mongol bulls raped millions of Jurchen and Tangut women.

          Genghis Khan personally raped a Jurchen Wanyan princess while Kublai Khan gave his own daughter in marriage to Han Chinese southern Song Emperor Gong (Zhao Xian)

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Han Chinese and Mongol bulls raped millions of Jurchen and Tangut women.

          Genghis Khan personally raped a Jurchen Wanyan princess while Kublai Khan gave his own daughter in marriage to Han Chinese southern Song Emperor Gong (Zhao Xian)

          Why did the Mongols rape the Jurchen royal family but not the Han Chinese Song royal family?

          https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12163100/#q12163100

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Xiongnu Qiedihou Chanyu gave his daughter to the Han Chinese General Li Ling to defect. Chedihou then appointed Li Ling as governor or ruler of Jiankun (Yenisei) were he built a Chinese Han dynasty style palace. Yenisei Kyrgyz (Kirghiz) Khagans (Khaghans) of the Are clan claimed descent from Li Ling

            A Mongol Borjigin princess was married to the Han Chinese Southern Song Emperor Gong (Zhao Xian). Their son was Zhao Wanpu.

            Kublai Khan also married off a Mongol Borjigin Princess to the third last Song dyansty Han Chinese child Emperor Gong, named Zhao Xian in exchange for him capitulating and surrendering Hangzhou without a fight. they had one son, Zhao Wanpu

            https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7358719#p7359328

            Genghis Khan took the Jurchen Wanyan Jin Princess of Qi (or Princess Qiguo) as his concubine. She was the daughter of Jurchen Jin emperor Wanyan Yongji also known as Prince Shao of Wei.

            https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7358719#p7359375
            >Another Mongol Borjigin Princess A Gai (Agai or Agai Zhu) married King Duan Gong of Dali who was also of Han Chinese descent and they had two children. She was daughter of Basalawarmi, Mongol Yuan Prince of Liang in Yunnan. Dali was a vassal kingdom in Yunnan and the Duan family were paternally Han Chinese who originated from Wuwei in Gansu according to Yuan dynasty records but ruled over a Bai majority population in the kingdom of Dali and intermarried with Bai. After false rumours circulated that Duan Gong plotted to seize power from Basalawarmi as the Yuan dynasty was falling apart and Ming Yuzhen was planning to attack from Sichuan, Basalawarmi asked his daughter to poison him. His daughter refused and warned her husband but he did not believe it. One of Basalawarmi's officers later killed him and she was put on suicide watch by her father. Duan Gong's daughter Duan Sengnu or Qiangna or Qiangnu raised her younger brother Duan Bao to avenge his death. Basalawarmi committed suicide when the Ming dynasty invaded

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The Mongols literally sent a Han Chinese military officers with Batu Khan to invade Europe.

            Shi Tianlin was a Han military judge in Batu Khan's army during his Golden Horde campaign.

            https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12011702/#q12012885

            https://web.archive.org/web/20210729212530/https://www.zora.uzh.ch/id/eprint/201778/1/10.1515_asia-2017-0013.pdf|archive-url1=https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/A-Judge-at-the-Crossroads-of-Cultures%3A-Shi-Tianlin-Hodous/c34fd61bf20d50ee741bf73fcea42939efee0214

            Genghis Khan raped Jurchen girls like Princess Qiguo while Kublai Khan married his own daughter off to Han Chinese Song Emperor Gong (Zhao Xian).

            https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12163100/#q12163100

            https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8113884/#q8113884

            Han Chinese generals like Shi Gang abd Shi Tianlin who helped Genghis destroy the Jurchens and invade Europe were given Mongol wives.

            https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12011702/#q12012914

            Genghis Khan's family married their own daughter off to Han Chinese men while they raped Jurchen (Manchu) women.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Han Chinese Shi family married Mongol women after defecting. Shi Tianlin's wives all had Korean and Mongol names and his sons and daughters were given Mongol names.

            https://www.proquest.com/openview/5bacfdb8352c877c9235a34eaea87d2c/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=2038875

            https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/asia-2017-0013/html

            Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait woman.

            https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10403196/#q10403203

            https://archive.is/4TAGC#p10106849

            https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9532845

            https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475/#q9469637

            The Mongols killed 8 million Jurchens and millions of Tanguts in northern China.

            Han soldiers were doing most of the fighting by slaughtering Jurchen cucks and Tanguts. The Mongols, Han and Khitan defectors raped entire Jurchen majority cities while sparing Han parts like Kaifeng where only Jurchens got raped since Han opened the gates to the cities. Eight million Jurchens reduced to 100,000, Tanguts nearly wiped out.

            The Mongols called on Han and Khitan to join then, open the gates of the Jin walls and cities and slaughter the Jurchen and that those who opened the gates would not be slaughtered, raped or pillaged. The majority of the "Mongol army" attacking Jin were Han Chinese tumens who slaughtered Jurchen armies. Shi Tianze slaughtered 80,000 Jurchen led by Jurchen Prince Wanyan Chengyi at Pucheng to open the war to Kaifeng. Han officer Cui Li opened Kaifeng's gates from the inside. The Han civilians were spared but all the Jurchen were slaughtered. The Mongols sacked and raped Tangut majority Xingqing and Jurchen majority Zhongdu.

            https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7515576/#q7517915

            Manchus/Jurchens have Mongol haplogroups, Han don't

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The Southern Song capital Lin'an (Hangzhou) was also never sacked by the Yuan or Mongol empire. The Southern Song Han Chinese emperor Gong (Zhao Xian) submitted at Hangzhou and was then married off to Kublai Khan's daughter in Beijing (Khanbaliq).

            Mongols gave women to Han Chinese defectors. Mongol women were married to Han officers and captured Korean women were distributed to Han footsoldiers who defected.

            https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7515576/#q7518011

            https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7515576/#q7517861

            https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7452921/#q7460338

            Over half the Mongol empire's army against the Jin Han Chinese from the Han Chinese tumen armies of Shi Tianze, Zhang Hongfan, Zhang Rou.

            The Mongols only occupied Beijing and other points in the north and demanded Korea pay tribute in Korean women as states in the Korean history book Goryeosa which was never been written or edited in China. Direct quotes from Goryeosa and Robinson's book, neither of them Chinese.

            https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7358719#p7359369

            https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7358719#p7359270

            The Persian Rashid Al-din also wrote the Song Emperor Gong was son in law to Kublai Khan after marrying the Mongol princes.

            The Han tumen General Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait woman.

            Han officers like Shi Gang and Han royals like Zhao Xian (Emperor Gong of Song) and Duan Gong who defected were married to Mongol women while Han soldiers who defected were given Korean women en masse by the Mongols after the Mongols extracted the women from Goryeo (Korea) as tribute. The Mongols also gave Korean women to Central Asian soldiers and Tibetan officials like Sengge.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Would you die for Israel anon?

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Genghis Khan and the Mongol elite were white bulls. The Chinese were scrawny rice-eating yellow manlets.
    Do you need more of an explanation?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Genghis Khan was a Mongoloid who raped and killed millions of Jurchens (Manchus) and Indo-Europeans in Central Asia and replaced Indo European Y DNA all over Kazakhstan and Hazarajat with his own C2a* while native O3a Y DNA remains the majority in Han people.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        [...]
        [...]
        Northern Han defected to Genghis to rape and kill Jurchens and Tanguts, moron.

        Shi Bingzhi, Shi Tianze, Shi Tianlin, Shi Gang,Zhang Rou,Liu Heima, Guo Baoyu and Guo Kan were all Han generals who helped rape and kill Jurchens and helped Genghis conquer Khwarezm in Central Asia (Guo Baoyu went with Genghis to Khwarezm) Guo Kan helped conquer and rape Baghdad and Shi Tianlin served as military judge under Batu Khan in the Golden Horde.

        Shi Bingzhi and his son Shi Tianze both had Korean and Jurchen wives, Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mobg Kerait woman and Shi Tianlin married Mongol women.

        There were 8 million Jurchens in the Jin dynasty and millions of Tanguts in Western Xia in 1211 when Genghis attacked.

        There were barely 100,000 Jurchens in 1600.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Jurchens (Manchus) were raped like dogs by Genghis and the later Jurchens worshipped him after he raped and killed millions of them like cattle.

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