>be me. >2013, buy a manual car without knowing how to drive stick

>be me
>2013, buy a manual car without knowing how to drive stick
>learn to drive stick the hard way without anyone teaching me
>2023
>driving on the backroad with a friend
>friend freaks out when I clutch in to enter a turn and clutch out on apex to push out
>"You're not supposed to drive that way, you need to be in gear and under power all the way through the turn"
>I try to do this and am way slower because the downshift on the turn engine brakes me below optimal speed
>holding the throttle to try to maintain the speed I want makes the car squirrelly in the turn whereas before it's planted
am I doing it wrong? What's wrong with clutching in on the entrance then out on the apex, assuming you're entering at the correct speed?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Skill issue.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You’re suppose to rev match downshift before entering the turn

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      yeah I can match it but I feel like I'm closer to losing traction in the back when making the turn under power

      Might as well just let Jesus take the wheel during the turn, the moronic soccer mom in her SUV won't think twice to push into your lane during her glacial turning angle - if you're not in gear and under power all the time, you won't be ready to swerve properly to avoid her hitting you

      no moms or suvs on these roads, it's all tight twisties

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't matter if there's no moms moron, I was making an example. It seems even cagie enthusiasts are moronic

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You're over braking when you heel toe cuz ur not used to it. Your method is fine for getting around. If you feel too slow entering try going one gear higher and determine if the loss of exit power is worth saving the entry speed. Losing a little rear going in is ok. That's how your slip angle.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Might as well just let Jesus take the wheel during the turn, the moronic soccer mom in her SUV won't think twice to push into your lane during her glacial turning angle - if you're not in gear and under power all the time, you won't be ready to swerve properly to avoid her hitting you

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why would you clutch in entering a turn?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      this is bullshit lore that's been circulating in my head that's probably wrong now that I think about it, but
      >tires have X amount of grip
      >grip is distributed between turning traction and acceleration traction at any given point in time
      >if you turn too hard and accelerate too hard you exceed grip and lose it
      >therefore, if you clutch in and set your acceleration to 0 you have maximum grip on the turn
      happy to be told i'm a moron though i'm learning a lot now

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That’s pretty close, but you want to be fully in gear maintaining speed until you pass the apex, then begin adding throttle as your turning angle decreases, relieving “turn” grip to make room for “acceleration” grip. Cars have way more leeway and sometimes you want to get on gas earlier to help slightly destabilize the rear to increase the slip angle (think very early stages of a power slide), but that “100 points of total grip, split between turn and accel/deccel” is super important on motorcycles. MEF training will always emphasize and have you practice straightening up and then applying full brakes for a mid turn panic stop, otherwise you’re gonna hadtolayerdown and eat a guardrail.

        Being in gear but at a steady throttle is more stable because unless you rev match perfectly, as you reengage the driveline and clutch you’re going to be adding instability mid turn. Unless you wait until you’re already straightening up, but then you’re just driving like an old lady.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Ur not wrong but you risk upsetting the balance by connecting the drive train mid corner and spinning.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Watch in-car footage of a race driver in a conventional manual driving through a corner, your timing is off.

    it should be:
    -brake
    -ideally heel toe downshift as you slow, but clutch drag downshift works if you aren't good enough, just slower and not as good for the clutch
    -foot off the clutch completely before turn in even occurs, you're just driving an automatic at this point for all intents and purposes, no shifting or clutching
    -ease off the brake as you add steering angle into the apex, be neither gas nor brake at apex, start accelerating after passing apex
    -upshift once you hit redline

    If it's casual driving it's not as big of a deal to clutch in if you're slowing a lot and don't want/need to be aggressively downshifting through every gear. Like, if it's a 90 degree turn in a neighborhood, it'll be:

    -slow down
    -go from 4th/5th/6th to 2nd with clutch pushed in
    -ease through turn
    -let clutch out in 2nd and start accelerating, probably giving a little gas to match the RPM

    But this is only for casual driving.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I still don't see why you would have the clutch in while turning. you can just slow down enough to let the clutch out in 2nd before the turn

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    That's the noobie way to do it. The problem is you never want to engage/disengage the clutch when turning as it does reduce traction. Not a big deal when your at 30% of your cars limit, but when your going fast and at 80% of the limit you'll spin out if you use the clutch while turning. The correct way is to downshift while braking before you start turning via heel-toe. It feels impossible to do at first but with practice you'll do it without thinking. Practice it in everyday driving and you'll master it. Once you know how to do it you'll realize how moronic the other way is. I do it everytime I drive and it's instinct just like steering or rev matching.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >The correct way is to downshift while braking before you start turning via heel-toe
      >I do it everytime I drive and it's instinct just like steering or rev matching
      Isn't is heel toe downshifting rev matching? I dun understan

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You can revmatch without heel-toe but you cannot heel-toe without revmatching

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          well you could just sort of mash your foot on the brake and gas and do something random instead of rev matching

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    my cars throttle response does not make for reasonable heel-toe downshitting. It's not linear the first inch of the pedal hardly does anything (it would take multiple seconds for the revs to build even with the clutch in)
    Tried to learn it for a bit but realized it's a lost cause and more for racing or at least a performance car not a shitbox.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Thre's basically 2 options

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