Atheist morality makes no sense. Why should I value wellbeing and happiness over other things like money, food, sex, and drugs?
Atheist morality makes no sense.
Atheist morality makes no sense. Why should I value wellbeing and happiness over other things like money, food, sex, and drugs?
We evolved traits that enhance group survival such as reciprocity and reputation. Christcuck morality makes no sense. X is bad because a israelite in the sky said so? Why did he say so? Would X be good if the sky israelite said so?
why does morality depend on evolution
All human traits depend on evolution.
how do you know all human traits depend on evolution
Not him but that’s where we came from. Every gene in you evolved, all the functional ones are either in some way beneficial to survival and reproduction in tribes in the wilderness, at worst they’re neutral unless they’re recent mutations
how does that have anything to do with morality
Social primates evolved morality to make us form and maintain groups
ok prove it
Don’t believe it if you want, this is basic stuff. Take some biology at your local community college if you can get in.
.t trust me bro
There are Christians here who insist the earth is flat, they’re a waste of time just like you are
.t trust me bro
do evolutionists even try anymore
lol feels like such bait
Christians are unintelligent it’s not a surprise. The gap between the average IQ of a biologist and a member of creationist Christian sect is the difference between a regular person and an adult with mental retardation
>We evolved traits that enhance group survival such as reciprocity and reputation.
Religion is also one of these traits we evolved, so you should be a Christian
Maybe for stupid people. I'm too smart to believe in a israelite in the sky.
>Religion is also one of these traits we evolved
Debatable unless by religion you mean ritual behavior and using our best understanding of the universe to use it to our advantage
>Debatable
Who denies this? Humans have a natural propensity to believe in religion and the supernatural because it's of evolutionary benefit.
Anon most religions have been rituals, holidays and praying to gods because they thought those gods would do them favors. If you were to inform those people that the farming god didn’t exist and taught them farming techniques instead. They would do that to increase their yields instead.
>rituals, holidays
Strengthening the bonds between people in the community and teaching of morals, both are of evolutionary benefit
>praying to gods because they thought those gods would do them favors
Prayer has many psychological benefits. Praying to the farm god will give people hope and strength during famines
>If you were to inform those people that the farming god didn’t exist and taught them farming techniques instead. They would do that to increase their yields instead.
These aren't mutually exclusive. You can both pray to the farm god and use better farming techniques
Religion is a projection of our own consciousness and will onto the world around us. Crops can't die just because the weather and soil conditions for that year were shit, there must be a will behind it. They'll still develop farming techniques, they will just never be comfortable with the idea that there is no will behind the world around them.
Plenty of people get though their days fine without believing in a harvest god
Nope. I didn’t realize you were working from the premise that you don’t want to suffer and die in the street. Frankly I don’t think your lifestyle questions are really morality in the first place. You’re just asking why you can’t destroy your life and die. Do it.
yes you're pivoting now you've realized you can't discuss morality
No I just don’t think self destructive lifestyles are immoral unless you’re someone’s dependent. If you make your own money and waste it on drugs I don’t care, I think you’re a loser.
thats the opposite of what you originally said
I never once said I care if you choose to follow what you said in the Op or that it was immoral. I answered someone wouldn’t want to do that to themselves and then elaborated that money and sex aren’t even necessarily ideas to base your life around if that’s what you want.
Not Necessarily bad ideas*
OP asked why he should not do X in regards to morality and you responded because of happiness.
unless you concede that you're not even discussing morality and just being a retard
Again if you want to waste away and die in the street you should. I think op is a moron for considering this choice a moral issue.
Because those things don’t make you happy as a lifestyle. Their action in the brain doesn’t yield long term happiness.
Then again I don’t see anything wrong with constantly making more money if that’s what makes you happy.
why should I care about long term happiness
Don’t if you want, suffer and die homeless and OD. Not my bag.
ok well just a reply ago you were saying something different
The implication being that you don’t want to OD and be homeless. If you don’t care about being miserable and dying then by all means be my guest and rot in the street.
ok well you're pivoting to discussing what people want rather then morality
Also I wouldn’t shoot you down for basing your life off of sex either…what is your point exactly man?
bashing islamics and calling out dumb jihadis makes sense but Atheists are too cowardly
Well you obviously don't have to. Many humans today and proabably always have been very selfish. Willing to do whatever to make money or get laid or aquire status over their other fellow humans. Besides religion doesn't fix it. Otherwise religous socities, aka 99 percent of all humans socities would have been utopian. But they havnt. They been corrupt violent shitholes for most of our history. Guess religion doesn't make humans nice. Well neither does atheism. Humans are vicious cunts that try to win out the compeition by any means. The competition? Other humans.
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, the reason is because life works like this. Dangerous pleasure like drugs can lead to death or suffering, which basically are to be avoided.
Ruin your life if you want, why would I care?
Its not a question of why, 99% of people do value those things. it is hardwired into us because it enhances species survival.
ok so? just because something is that was doesn't speak to whether its morally correct
Enlighten us, what makes something morally right?
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what a great argument
typical believing asshole
Are you one of those imbeciles who believe that if it weren't for their magic book you would kill and rape without remorse?
Happiness is overrated. But if you don't have health and wellness you can't enjoy anything else. What a stupid question.
How is this specifically a problem with atheist morality? If you don't value your wellbeing above short term needs there's no reason to follow theist morality either.
why should I value money and food beyond the basic amounts needed to survive, or sex and drugs at all, if these things don't make me happy?
Multiple accounts from everyday people from across 1000+ years of recorded human history telling you those things ended up hurting them and their families in the long run. You don't have to believe in God but you'd be an idiot to not believe a repeatable conclusion.
Being empathetic and working for mutual benefit makes much more sense as a moral basis than bronze age shaman ramblings
>Why should I value wellbeing and happiness over other things like money, food, sex, and drugs?
Because the latter things are only instrumental goods that people pursue for the sake of happiness, which is good in itself.
Why are theists so hell bent on covincing everyone else that they're amoral animals that need to be kept on a leash?
>Why should I value wellbeing and happiness over other things like money, food, sex, and drugs?
Because it's better for you