Atheism is irrational.

Atheism is irrational.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I believe in Ryback

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Theism is irrational.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Monotheism is rational.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Monotheism is irrational.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nuh-uh

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yeah huh.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Correct, the entire idea of atheism is that random things happened and the world just sort of ended up the way it is "by chance". But "chance" is an illusion, it only appears random because we don't yet know all the variables that have been set in our limited finite knowledge. Determinism is true, and so is Theism, because the only being that could theoretically set in motion the endless chain of events that has led to now would have to have existed before the universe itself.

      This is true too, God is infinite and therefore cannot be expressed as a number (which is what "rational" means. "Rational" means "able to be expressed as a ratio or number". Yu can express almost anything as a number but not an infinite being like God).

      Thinking rationally is incompatible with truth. At some point you have to give up and admit there are things that can't be explained or understood. But that doesn't mean to stop learning, learn anyway, just know there is a limit to what you can know.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Determinism does not necessitate theism.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why not? Determinism goes by the idea of "cause and effect". Everything that happens needs a cause. Whatever events at the start of the universe (such as the "big bang") had to have a cause, so something independent of the universe must have been the cause of whatever was happening in the beginning. You can't just have things happening without a reason! The only thing I know of that can possibly act independent of the universe in order to set it into motion would be God.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The philosopher that you grifted this from, Aquinas, posited that in a FINITE chain of events, god would be necessary. In an INFINITE causal chain, god is unnecessary. Also
            >Determinism is true
            >oh, but we also have free will, i.e we are magically unconstrained by deterministic reality.
            Get a grip, man.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Our free will isn't totally free, though. We have things like chemicals in our brains and living conditions we have no control over that most certainly do effect how we think and live. A man born into an abusive family that gets beaten as a baby and had messed up legs for life can't choose to play basketball for the NBA, he had no control over the reasons he can't. Same with our DNA, some people are born with congenital defects they have no control over that hedges in much of their free will.
              >Infinite causal chain
              But time is not infinite in both directions, it started at some point. Time is not a line, it's a ray.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't have any free will. Your actions are determined entirely by pre-existing causes. Even trying to define free will demonstrates how incoherent the very concept is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Your actions are determined entirely by pre-existing causes
                Indeed they are. Not sure where you got the free will from, I tried to explain it as best I can but it came off a bit flimsy because I'm not sure I actually believe anyone but God really has it. I really do think cause and effect is the ultimate law of the universe though and that someone's actions had to start it all, which is proof of God.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The magic being had the magic power which I can't even define
                Really?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes really.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What is free will, and why does god have it?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Free Will is the ability to decide what you do on your own. God has it because He exists independent of everything else.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do we make decisions randomly, or do we make them according to one reason or another?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And god decided at random what reason and logic even are?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don;t know, I'm not God. I couldn't tell you any more than I could tell you whether or not you chose to wear black or white underwear today. I don't have infinite knowledge, man, I only go with what I can comprehend.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But you absolutely know that the judeo-christian god exists, that the judeo-christian is the inventor of morality and logic and fifty other things in this thread. Of course.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Chad move

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Source?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Holy Bible

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm looking for a real source, like a scientific journal. Not a two thousand year old semitic fairytale.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I do not worship the god Science and cannot join you in this idolatry. I worship the only true God, who calls you to repent from the worship of your idols.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your silly archaic god is weak and impotent. The Science God has gifted us the very technology that you misuse to abuse science in this thread. Your god was nailed to a stick.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Your god was nailed to a stick.
                Praise God that He was

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Praise? Being nailed to a stick is embarrassing, not praiseworthy

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is His triumph and glory, for by it His people are saved

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your false idol gives only empty promises. Our Science God has miraculously extended the average life expectancy of the Human Race, among other feats.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The true God makes the sun and moon rise in the sky.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your so-called holy book cannot even explain how the sun and moon rises and falls.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if He did not exist neither would anything else since they only exist because He made them
                How do you know this?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You mean apart from the fact nature testifies of its creator? Because He revealed it in His word.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How does nature testify it's creator?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                By the clearly being created, having the nature of a creation.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm asking how you know that
                not for you to restate your position, retard

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because I have eyes and a functioning brain

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How would you recognize if a thing wasn't created?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What is the nature of a non-creation? How do you know?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What is the nature of a non-creation?
                To not exist, or to not change and not be contained by space and time etc.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was capable of it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then what are the reasons God decides to do one thing instead of another?
                You'd have to say it's because of his nature, as nothing infringes upon God

                God's existence and nature being necessary, and explainable in no further term, it just is
                But then you come along and say he makes decisions, that it could have been otherwise

                >God decides what reason and logic even are.
                Is this leading up to some catch-all cope about the futility of using our human reasoning to understand God?
                Why the fuck are you even having this conversation, if you don't think we can have it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When God makes a decision, does he make it for a reason? No reason/at random?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I actually believe anyone but God really has it
                why should I care what retarded stuff you believe for no reason?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Our free will isn't totally free, though
                In what respect is it free at all?
                You make it sound like you believe our will follows directly from the deterministic arrangement of matter in our skull, that makes it NOT free
                unless you want some compatibilism cope

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You can't just have things happening without a reason
            What's the reason for God deciding to create the world?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Everything that happens needs a cause.
            What was God's cause?
            >He doesn't need one
            Then why does the universe?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If everything needs a cause then god needs a cause. If uncaused causes can exist then the universe can be an uncaused cause. If uncaused causes can exist then the universe being an uncaused cause is more rational since it doesn't presuppose an unevidenced entity.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The universe cannot be an uncaused cause because the universe is mutable. God is not unevidenced, to the contrary all things are proof of Him since apart from Him nothing exists.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >all things are proof of Him
                How the fuck does that follow?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The issue here is that religions folk have accepted being irrational to an extent. But the universe being uncaused is an issue the "rational atheist" has to contend with.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do you ever stop to think about your shit explanations?
        Take the thing you are trying to explain, in this case why the universe is

        Saying that God caused it (because of his nature?)
        Is not an explanation
        It's a re-description of the phenomena you are trying to explain, repackaged as something else
        what do you think is explained by saying "God did it"? So fucking retarded

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Based midwit

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God is not omnipotent, there you go. This is made very clear in Bible right from the start since it took him 6 days to create the world and then he took a rest. If he were omnipotent, he could have created the world in a microsecond.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If God managed to create the entire universe in a week he wouldn't have many limits on what he can do.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        do you know how many heresies you are committing right now?!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God is "malevolent" in that He allows us to do evil because He respects our free will enough to let us do as we want. He does not like it but allows it to happen. It is morally right. Imagine if you were God, would it be better to make your creation unthinking robots that make no choices in life, or to make them free to decide their own destiny, for better or worse? Clearly, it would be better to make them free. This comes with the baggage that they can hurt one another and do evil now, but it makes it more meaningful when they do good because it means they had a choice to be evil and decided not to. To our corrupted and fallen minds this might look evil on the surface but it is freedom, one of the greatest gifts of all.

      God is not omnipotent, there you go. This is made very clear in Bible right from the start since it took him 6 days to create the world and then he took a rest. If he were omnipotent, he could have created the world in a microsecond.

      No, God is omnipotent, he spent six days making the world because he wanted to spend six days doing so. Just because you have the ability to do something efficiently doesn't mean you will. God took pleasure in creating and savored it. You wouldn't compress an entire 5-star meal prepared by a renowned chef into a single pill and pop the pill to eat in a single second, even if you could. You would savor it and enjoy every bite. God savored creation like we savor a good meal.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What about natural disasters and plagues that kill millions of people? They don't have any will of their own.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Those disasters/plagues are either natural effects from the weather/biology or the result of someone's actions. For instance, the Plague of Justinian wouldn't have gotten out of hand if those sailors from the Black Sea had been turned back and barred from entering the empire. Part of having free will is the ability for your choices to effect others.

          >But if he were omnipotent then couldn't he turn the meal into a pill and also savor it just as much as if he ate it bite by bite?
          Yes, God could do that but chose not to. Tell me, why would God create everything in a microsecond rather than six days? It might seem efficient to you, but perhaps efficiency is not God's top priority?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >God is omnipotent
            >Can’t create a universe where plate tectonics don’t create earthquakes that can level cities
            >Can’t create a universe where hurricanes or tornados don’t exist
            Sounds like he isn’t very omnipotent or kind of did a half-assed job making the universe.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, God made the universe knowing tornadoes and earthquakes exist. That fact that they're here at all means they're part of His plan in some way or another. You also have to remember, Satan can make tornadoes and earthquakes (as seen in the book of Job) so those things might be the result of demonic actions. Because remember, angels and demons have free will too. We aren't the only fish in the sea, there are other things out there that God respects the free will of too, and their actions effect the world as well.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No, God made the universe knowing tornadoes and earthquakes exist.
                Tormados and eathquakes predate god? In the beginning there were earthquakes and shit and then god said “let there by light.”
                >That fact that they're here at all means they're part of His plan in some way or another.
                God is bad at planning, we need a better god to oversee this universe.
                >You also have to remember, Satan can make tornadoes and earthquakes (as seen in the book of Job) so those things might be the result of demonic actions.
                God made satan, anything he does is god’s fault. If you make a robot, program it to be evil, and it kills someone, you’re guilty of wrongdoing as well as the robot.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What makes you think you;re more wise than God, though? God made earthquakes and tornadoes for a reason, you're just too ignorant to understand yet. And those things did not predate God, God made the universe knowing they would exist. Also Satan is not a robot, Satan has free will.

                If God is omnipotent Satan wouldn't even be a threat to him.

                Satan is not a threat to God. Satan is a threat to us. God has Satan under control, everything Satan does happens because God allows it to happen. See "Job" again, God put a metaphorical hedge of protection around Job originally and lowered it to allow Satan to attack Job. We all have metaphorical hedges around us but God lowers them sometimes either because we sinned and need corrected or to use our suffering to insult or annoy Satan in some way or another as seen in Job.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Satan has free will
                Satan exists independent of everything else, including god?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sort of. Satan had the choice to stay loyal to God or rebel. I'm not sure I understand why or how, the bible doesn't go into that (unless you're Ethiopian and think 1 Enoch is Canon, which I don't because I'm not Ethiopian), but God said everything "was good" on the sixth day of creation, meaning nothing bad had happened yet. God wouldn't make something evil by nature, because God is good, meaning Satan must have had some sort of agency in deciding to be evil.

                >God made earthquakes and tornadoes for a reason, you're just too ignorant to understand yet
                Or maybe... and bear with me here... maybe... you still with me... maybe god doesn’t exist. Wow! I think that solves the problem of evil when it comes to Christianity!

                Well, Christianity struggles with the problem of evil, but Atheism struggles with the problem of good. Without a set of concrete morals from an outside source. Without that morality devolves into glorified peer pressure. Tell me, atheists, why is it evil to date-rape your leader? Christianity can tell you. I want you to keep in mind, that in many societies, such as ancient Sumeria where the king was expected to have sex with a crossdressing eunuch called the "priestess of Inanna" and if he didn't he'd be shamed or even killed. So we know of at least one society where this was considered "good". Tell me, how does one without God know what is good and what is evil? Why enforce justice and have laws at all if everything is relative?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the bible doesn't go into that
                It's weird how the Bible skips over any deep questions.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It doesn't skip over the biggest "deep questions". The bible goes into what happens after we die, where the world came from, why we exist, why the world is the way it is, why bad things happen to good people, and the nature of good and evil. Skipping a couple things but hitting everything else looks good to me, I think you're taking for granted just how much the bible does cover, because it answers far more than it leaves out.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The bible goes into what happens after we die
                It's inconsistent about it. Sheol is for example just nothing. Sinners cease to exist. However, necromancers can communicate with shades of the dead although it is sinful.
                >why bad things happen to good people
                Sometimes you are rewarded for being good, other times your life is destroyed for it (like Job). Both sinners and the virtuous are subject to God's torment.
                >the nature of good and evil
                It references but never defines good and evil. So the scholastics had to steal the Greek definitions.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Without a set of concrete morals from an outside source. Without that morality devolves into glorified peer pressure.
                Humans are capable of empathy

                >Tell me, atheists, why is it evil to date-rape your leader?
                Empathy and collective good/utility are two reasons. There’s a host of reasons which are explored in many schools but all include the basic, universal “killing wrong, stealing wrong, hurting wrong” without mandating unimportant shit like “don’t work on saturdays, respect your parents no matter what, gotta worship god, no butt stuff.”

                Weird how despite the fact that so many religions exist human cultures all agreed that general assholery is wrong while not agreeing that butt stuff and working weekends are wrong. It’s almost like humans tend to prefer a limited set of morals with no direct relationship to those mandated by the bible.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >human cultures all agreed that general assholery is wrong
                No they didn't murder was generally accepted in most pagan cultures. It was called a "blood feud", the idea was that if someone wronged you, you could kill them (instead of trying to have them make it right). Then their family were obligated to kill you. Then you family was obligated to kill them. This was a repeated vicious cycle that many cultures were okay with. Then look at pogroms or lynchings, the idea that murder is okay as long as it's this one specific group of outcasts. No ,every culture says that it outlaws general assholery but then does mental gymnastics to justify certain types of assholery at certain times to certain people.
                >empathy
                Is subjective. Some people would enjoy public sex with a crossdressing eunuch, others would not. If you pressured a group of people one after another, some would be excited and think this is a perfectly fine thing to do and others disgusted. And then you take the crossdressing eunuch into the picture, he probably wants to have sex with all of them and would think the ones who refuse are party-poopers, or maybe even heretics if this is in ancient Sumeria.

                And people naturally won;t like the rules in the bible, simply because they're impossible to follow. Part of the point of all the specific bullshit is to show that we're all sinners and need God to forgive us. All that was part of a point God was making about us and our need for Him. So of course people are going to gravitate away from it and make their own rules. But that doesn't make their own rules right.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You’re missing general assholery.
                >Killing is wrong... but
                Stabbing a guy because you want his shit is wrong, stabbing a guy because he murdered your brother or raped your daughter is generally considered acceptable.
                >Stealing is wrong... but
                Stealing a car and selling it for money is wrong, but stealing bread to feed your starving family is generally seen as acceptable.
                >Harming people is wrong... but
                Punching a man because he looked at you funny is wrong, punching a man to drive him away when he started punching is generally seen as acceptable.

                Human morality isn’t a simple black and white but universal rules do exist between societies even if said rules are only related on a basic level.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >universal rules do exist between societies even if said rules are only related on a basic level
                human biology being related on a basic level between these societies would account for this

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wow, it’s almost like I said, empathy. Humans are all humans and can all agree on general principles, specific principles of morality can be developed slowly and collectively by a culture. Is a man dressing like a woman wrong? Depends on the culture. Is raping and murdering a six year old wrong? Yes. Is eating beef wrong? Depends on the culture. Is murdering a man to take his money wrong? Yes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We literally live in a culture where half the people think it's ok to kill babies. So it's not hard to imagine a culture where raping and murdering a six year old is ok.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We live in an insane culture subject to the tyrannical rule of malign foreigners

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Abortion has been practiced across cultures, even infanticide has been pretty common throughout human history. The bible’s only mention of abortion is it being the result of some voodoo ritual if she got knocked up by another man and not her husband so even god doesn’t seem to give a shit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The bible’s only mention of abortion is it being the result of some voodoo ritual if she got knocked up by another man and not her husband so even god doesn’t seem to give a shit.
                Thou shalt not kill...

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Seems too vague. If I come home to see two of my kids dead and a guy finishes off the third and tries to kill me can I fight back? What of judges who hand down death sentences or executioners who carey it out? What about soldiers, volunteers or conscripts? Can we kill animals for food? Self defence? Fun? If killing is allowed do we have to carry it out a certain way? What’s the punishment for killing?

                Also Numbers 5:11-31 sanctions chemically induced abortions to test a woman’s fidelity.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If I come home to see two of my kids dead and a guy finishes off the third and tries to kill me can I fight back? What of judges who hand down death sentences or executioners who carey it out? What about soldiers, volunteers or conscripts?
                Woah, you totally pwned God. I guess murdering defenseless babies is actually totally awesome

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Give vague law
                >This law totally covers this specific case because I feel like it
                Bible sanctions abortion, read numbers
                >Drink this, if you miscarry you’re a whore otherwise you’ll be fine

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You do not have authority to stand over God's word. You are subject to His judgement.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So once again, give vague law and then bitch when it isn’t followed. You figure an omnipotent god could write a very specific and fitting law without loopholes for what is right and wrong. As it stands if a man is murdering your family you can’t kill him to stop him otherwise you’ll be breaking one of the ten commandments.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's nothing vague about it that's why you're so concerned with attacking it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Got it, can’t stop a killer with lethal force, can’t kill a deer to eat it, can’t squish a mosquito on my arm.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine taking antibiotics like a filthy sinner.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We Jain now

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                MY FRIEND, THE BIBLE IS VERY CLEAR THAT YOU ARE NOT TO MURDER, EVEN IN SELF DEFENCE OR VIGILANTE JUSTICE, BECAUSE GOD WILL PUNISH THE MURDERER FOR YOU.

                IF YOU WANT TO SEE HOW GOD REWARDS YOU IN THIS SITUATION, THE BOOK OF JOBS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT EXPLAINS THIS EXACT SCENARIO.

                A MAN HAD 8 SONS WHO WAS MURDERED BY SATAN, AND THEN LOST EVERYTHING AND HIS WIFE LEFT HIM. GOD WAS WITH HIM THE ENTIRE WAY PLEASE READ THE BOOK OF JOBS

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                YOU CANNOT MURDER ANOTHER MAN, EVEN VIGILANTE OR SELF DEFENSE, BECAUSE YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS, THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF MAN IS PATHETIC COMPARED TO GOD, AND TO ENFORCE RIGHTEOUSNESS ON YOUR TERMS ONLY CREATES MORE SIN IN THE WORLD. THIS IS WHERE YOUR FAITH IN GOD IS TESTED

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >everything that happened in the bible is sanctioned by god
                Where did you get this idea? The bible is full of shit god didn't approve of.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you seriously think there are parts of creation above God's domain?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Omnipotent
                >Can’t control what gets put in his own book
                Sounds like a pretty useless book

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's not omnipotent.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is there something in particular he couldn't do?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Contradictions are usually not included in how Christians define omnipotence
                Anything else you think God couldn't do? (Where Christians who think God is omnipotent would disagree with you)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Make the world in less than 6 days.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Having arbitrary limits doesn't seem perfect, tbh
                and certainty not simple, but you probably don't believe in that divine simplicity stuff anyway

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So why do we call him god? He can create a universe and cares what you do with your pp but can’t write a cohesive set of laws? Can I get a conplete list if his abilities and restrictions? Can he beat Goku in a fight?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So why do we call him god?
                Because he is the most mighty, most perfect god.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Perfect
                >Can’t write a decent and consistent set of rules
                Solon has more godlike traits than your god.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Perfect
                >Can’t write a decent and consistent set of rules
                Solon has more godlike traits than your god.

                Think of humans creating artificial intelligence. We can create power plants, ways of transporting electricity, silicon microchips, complex machine learning algorithms, etc etc etc. And yet when we tell Dall E to create an image, we can't competely control the outcome and can only vaguely convey our intent. Likewise God may be able to form the Earth and the stars and man in his image but cannot communicate with humanity unbounded.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I guess murdering defenseless babies is actually totally awesome
                It's only awesome if you murder defenseless babies, by way of global flood

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                HABAKKUK, AMOS 5, ROMANS 13.

                WHEN YOU OR YOUR FAMILY DEFY GOD YOU GET ATTACKED BY CRIME AND OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENTS AS PUNISHMENT.

                THE BIBLE EXPLICITLY SHOWS HOW GOD'S HANDS INFLUENCES THE PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT HIM AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PEOPLE THAT DEFY HIM AND TURN TO IDOLATRY AND SIN.

                WHEN THE garden gnomeS IN THE WEIMAR REPUBLIC STARTED CELEBRATING MINDLESS SEX AND WORSHIPPING ASHEROTH AND NIMROD WITH CHRISTMAS AND RAMPANT INJUSTICE HITLER CAME TO KILL THE garden gnomeS

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Without god, we would have to rely on our own subjective morality.
                >this is why we need god's subjective morality.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Atheism struggles with the problem of good.
                lmao
                Have you even looked into what people have to say about non-realist models for morality?

                >Tell me, atheists, why is it evil to date-rape your leader?
                Cuz I think it's evil
                >But what if the rapist don't think it's evil
                Well, *I* think it's evil
                >Is it REALLY evil then?
                If by REALLY evil, you mean if I think it's evil? Yeah I think it's evil.
                ..Of course there isn't suddenly going to be objective morals, on a subjective morality

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Meanwhile, in theism:
                >It's evil because god thinks it's evil.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's objective, cuz God don't get to chose what he thinks

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Tell me, atheists, why is it evil to date-rape your leader?
                Because it's harmful to the greater good of a well functioning society. If we never established any morals for ourselves to cooperate with each other civilization would never have emerged. We would be stuck in a state of tribal anarchy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Because it's harmful to the greater good of a well functioning society
                I don't know, the Sumerians seemed to do pretty well with it. It can't be THAT harmful.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >harmful
                Are you using harmful as a switch for bad/evil? In that case, you have explained nothing, just substituted another word

                Or do you mean harmful, as in a biological sense? The survival of the species, etc
                That's stupid, do you not think there are things people (including yourself) view as evil, which does not interfere with the survival of the species, isn't "harmful" in that sense
                That would make any greater good evil, not evil. People obviously don't view morality like that, or use the words 'good, evil or harm' that way

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Morality is an evolutionary adaptation to help us proliferate our genes. Groups that co-operate outcompete groups that don't.

                >Tell me, atheists, why is it evil to date-rape your leader?
                Why did god decree it evil? Did he have reasons to do it or is it an arbitrary whim? If he had reasons then morality exists independently of god. If he didn't then there's no morality, only the random whim of a tyrant.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >God made earthquakes and tornadoes for a reason, you're just too ignorant to understand yet
                Or maybe... and bear with me here... maybe... you still with me... maybe god doesn’t exist. Wow! I think that solves the problem of evil when it comes to Christianity!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If God is omnipotent Satan wouldn't even be a threat to him.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you think Christians think Satan is a threat to God?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Christians treat Satan like a boogeyman figure who is always trying to turn humanity against God. If God didn't like what Satan was doing he could just wipe him from existence. In fact if God is omniscient he should have known how evil Satan would be before he created him so he could have just decided to never create him in the first place.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >God made the universe knowing tornadoes and earthquakes exist
                Why?

                Why would a perfect and self-sufficient God create an universe where tornadoes and earthquakes could exist? What motivated that?
                Was he lacking something?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You wouldn't compress an entire 5-star meal prepared by a renowned chef into a single pill and pop the pill to eat in a single second, even if you could. You would savor it and enjoy every bite.
        But if he were omnipotent then couldn't he turn the meal into a pill and also savor it just as much as if he ate it bite by bite?

        If God managed to create the entire universe in a week he wouldn't have many limits on what he can do.

        It's difficult to say exactly what limits God has, but it's clear limits exist.

        do you know how many heresies you are committing right now?!

        I don't care some gay trinitarian denomination of Christianity thinks. The idea that God is omnipotent and can literally do anything was invented by the Romans. The Pope can suck my dick.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's an argument for people who believe in a God, like the Christians, right?
          if you are not a Christian, don't worry about it

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I am a Christian. There are plenty of Christians who don't believe God is omnipotent.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I don't care what you think you are
              you are not a Christian if you don't think God is God

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It's difficult to say exactly what limits God has, but it's clear limits exist.
          Do you think God is limited by something that exists outside of God?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's hard to say. In the original Hebrew bible "God" is referred to as one of many and the origin of light in a dark universe. In this regard God could be thought of as the creater of all we know rather than the creater of reality itself.

            Another interpretation is that God isn't limited by anything outside himself, but by aspects of himself. For example, your hands are a part of you but that doesn't mean you aren't limited in what you can do with them or to them.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The bible says
              The Bible also says that Peter was rock, so now you have to kneel to the Bishop of Rome. And that guy says God is omnipotent.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't care what some fucking Roman cunt thinks.
                Which is why I don't understand why you care what the Bible says about one thing, when you don't care what it says about another
                This is an inconsistency

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Basically there are some sources that seem more trustworthy and consistent than others. Reading translations of the original Greek Gospels gives what I believe to be an accurate history of Jesus's life and teachings that is consistent with translations of the original old testament. Then the Romans decided to make it official and included a ton of revisions including the idea that Jesus was literally God rather than his son and that God was omnipotent.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >what I believe to be an accurate history of Jesus's life and teachings
                Why?

                Me, I just have such a low credence in people rising from the dead after 3 days. I figured it was more likely made up

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because I am a Christian.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Duh-hoy! That's what I'm asking
                why?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because I believe that Jesus's teachings touched on primordial, perfect truths about humanity. Maybe he was just a brilliant philosopher, or maybe his teachings were made up by Mark and Luke etc, in which case they were the brilliant philosophers. But I believe the pristine beauty of his word does invoke something divine.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you believe some guy rose from the dead 2000 years ago, or not?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >some guy
                God in the flesh

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay, why?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why don't you believe the bible?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I already explained this in depth. The Trinity was not concieved by Jesus or any of his disciples. It's pure Roman revisionism.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're a heretic, friend. You do not know God. If you heard Jesus say "Before Abraham was I am" you would be among those who picked up stones to stone Him. Repent and believe for the kingdom of God is at hand

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                Whatever, keep worshipping the pope.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The pope didn't write my bible, the God whom you deny did.

                How would you recognize if a thing wasn't created?

                After a fashion you wouldn't, because His nature is so far beyond the capacity of our senses to comprehend that our minds could only rationalize His presence as familiar concepts, such as love or wrath etc. yet His transcendent majesty would be so clear to all nonetheless that all would recognize they stood before the living God.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >After a fashion you wouldn't
                Okay, so you recognize something that would be compatible with literally any observation (real or imagined)
                that's useless

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The pope didn't write my bible, the God whom you deny did.
                Factually incorrect. Your bible is almost certainly based on the codification by degenerate Romans hundreds of years after Jesus died while mine is based on the writings of the apostles of Jesus himself.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's an antipope
                I worship the pope-in-hiding

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                IRONIC, YOU DON'T KNOW JESUS'S REAL NAME, THE MOST IMPORTANT AND ONLY NAME THAT YOU WILL BE SAVED BY, AND YOU EDUCATE OTHERS THAT THEY ARE A HERETIC?

                WHEN YOU INVOKE THE NAME JESUS CHRIST YOU ARE INVOKING THE ROMAN DEMIGOD OF HEALING THANKS TO THE LYING SCRIBES OF THE KJV BIBLE

                ASK GOD FOR THE TRUTH, IN THE NAME OF YESHUA/YAHUAH/JOSHUA HAMASIACH AND YOU WILL SEE IF I AM LYING OR NOT, OR DO YOU NOT KNOW GOD EITHER?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >would it be better to make your creation unthinking robots that make no choices in life, or to make them free to decide their own destiny, for better or worse?
        The only difference between you and an 'unthinking' robot is that you run a slightly more complex algorithm.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can have free will and exclusively do good.
        >See a homeless man, do you buy him lunch, give him money, see if he needs a room for the night and get him one?
        You are free to make choices. Unless you mean free will is the willingness to make ANY choice in which case humans lack free will.

        >See a homeless man, do you beat him to death with a brick, do you kidnap and torture him to death, do you start pissing on him in public?
        Your choice are still limited by what you are unwilling to do and if free will is merely the willingness to do anything than you currently lack free will as there are acts you are unwilling to do.

        I mean shit if sin is required to have free will than Jesus is a literal NPC with no free will.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sin is not required ot have free will. The ABILITY to sin is what's required. Jesus had the ability to sin, He was tempted by Satan in the wilderness following His baptism. Jesus refused all three times. You are correct that you can have free will and do exclusively good, that is what Jesus did. But we're not Jesus, we always fall to temptation sooner or later.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why not make humans like Jesus? Why do humans have to be willing to commit acts of evil?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              God loves redemption over innocence. If God wanted us to stay innocent, He would want us to die as babies before we have a chance to sin. God also would not have let Adam eat from the tree of knowledge (the first sin), he would have prevented Satan from entering, or stopped Adam from eating, or not made that tree at all. God wants to be our savior, which means its part of His plan for us to sin at some point.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >God wants to be our savior, which means its part of His plan for us to sin at some point
                Lol, that's pathetic.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >God loves redemption over innocence.
                So why Jesus?

                > God also would not have let Adam eat from the tree of knowledge (the first sin), he would have prevented Satan from entering, or stopped Adam from eating, or not made that tree at all.
                Humans suffer because god likes some plot to his porn.

                >God wants to be our savior, which means its part of His plan for us to sin at some point.
                And for the vast majority of humans to be tortured for all eternity.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he spent six days making the world because he wanted to spend six days doing so
        Okay, what could possibly explain why he spent six days, instead of eight, or ten?
        This is so retarded.
        God is a necessary being, right? He just is the way he is.

        Now you got all this kind of bullshit, that got no reason why it's one way, instead of another way.
        You have to say the desire to create the world in six days is a part of God's necessary existence, because nothing else can possibly explain it
        It is by definition

        Does that seem plausible to you? Holy shit

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Something something sabbath, something something man needs rest.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >God is "malevolent" in that He allows us to do evil because He respects our free will enough to let us do as we want.
        You're retarded. In the World to Come, no one will have the capacity to desire to sin.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      >implying God can't be evil

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Atheism is the objectively most logically justifiable position compared to every other widely circulating stance that people take; the second most logical one is deism. Note that all arguments against atheism only serve to argue in favour of deism instead, not to the benefit of any other religion, especially not Christianity which people try to propagate here but which is completely absurd. Intellectually, Christianity is not the direct competitor to Atheism, it is far down the list in terms of argumentative threats.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      keyed

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not an argument, christcuck zoomie.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    The technological singularity will create God.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >If God is omnipotent Satan wouldn't even be a threat to him.
    No, but seriously. I know of no Christian doctrine that would say Satan is a threat to God. Nobody believes that, AFAIK

    But then we got the story of Satan tempting Jesus (who is God) in the desert
    Seems kinda retarded, if there was a 0% chance of Jesus being tempted.
    But if you allow for a non-zero chance, then suddenly Satan is indeed a threat to Jesus (who is God)
    Plot-hole?

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Theism is irrational because there's no evidence any god exists and the notion of a god is logically absurd. Even a bare minimum god, a prime-mover is logically contradictory in addition to being unevidenced. Let's be frank, cuckstains aren't interested in a prime-mover because religion is about power and control in the real world and a prime-mover doesn't advance that agenda. A cucktian who argues for a prime-mover is just using that to get a foot in the door before they break out the talking snake, the virgin birth and the magic garden gnome that they believe in.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a prime-mover is logically contradictory
      Why is it contradictory?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I come into this board and there are like, 5 different threads complaining about atheism, wtf?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's time to get saved, Anon

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't worry anon, I already saved my game before I turned off the PC.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    YESHUA HAMASHIACH CAME TO ABOLISH RELIGIOUS SECT WORSHIP AND MANMADE RIGHTEOUSNESS BY THE PHARISEES AND YOU CALL YOURSELF A CHRISTIAN!!!

    DO YOU KNOW WHY MANY ATHEISTS ARE ATHEISTS? BECAUSE THEY SEE THE LYING HYPOCRITES IN THE CHURCH FOR WHAT IT REALLY IS, A ROMAN ABOMINATION TRYING TO BAIT THE SIMPLEMINDED WITH FAKE "CHRISTIAN" LOVE AND PAY TITHINGS TO PHARISEES!!!

    YOU CELEBRATE ISHTAR(EASTER) NIMROD'S BIRTHDAY(CHRISTMAS) HALLOWEEN(LITERAL FALLEN ANGEL WORSHIP)THE ROMAN DEMIGOD OF HEALING(IEOSUS, WHOM YOU CALL JESUS)

    99% OF YOU "CHRISTIANS" DONT READ GOD'S WORD, YOU PAY A PHARISEE EVERY WEEK BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO FUND THEIR LAMBORGINIS AND PRIVATE JETS SO THAT THEY CAN LIE TO YOU EVERY WEEK. IF YOU READ YOUR BIBLE, YOU WOULD NOT CALL YOURSELF A CHRISTIAN!

    Joh 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
    Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
    JESUS CHRIST'S REAL NAME IS YESHUA/YEHUAH/JOSHUA HAMASHIACH, DO NOT CALL HIM THE ROMAN DEMIGOD OF HEALING, OR YOU WILL HEAR FROM HIS MOUTH "DEPART FROM ME I NEVER KNEW YOU"

    STOP YELLING AT ATHEISTS, HYPOCRITE SELF RIGHTEOUS APOSTATE "CHRISTIAN", REPENT TO GOD, ASK FOR THE TRUTH, YOU BROKE THE "LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF" COMMANDMENT OF GOD BY MAKING FUN OF ATHEIST QUESTIONS, WHO ARE LOST GENTILES OF ISRAEL WHO WANT THE TRUTH, BUT YOU PUT STUMBLING BLOCKS ON THEIR PATH TO GOD

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Indeed
    Only ALLAH saves

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Atheisms is irrational
    Why?

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