Atheism and materialism are interlinked. With The rise of witchcraft on the left and neopaganism on the right, they are signals that materialism is dying out. It is manifestly inadequate. We've probably seen peak atheism. It is simply too boring to last more than a couple generations.
I would take paganism over Christianity any day of the week.
>I would
No you wouldn't, or else you'd already be one.
No I mean if you replaced Christians with pagans I would be pretty happy with that result.
Nowhere in the OP is Christianity even mentioned. Rent free?
Yeah anon let’s pretend this board isn’t crawling with christoids
Same but athiests.
who else uses the term 'atheists' unprompted?
Literally anyone who holds some form of religious or spiritual belief. Did you really have to ask this?
nope, just christards. but keep flailing.
Where in the OP did you get the idea that it was written by a Christian? Christians are living rent free in your head.
christians are my enemies, yes. got a problem with that?
also, style is everything. OP is formulated in a christard style. if you are an autist, you won't understand this, though.
You must not have much going on in your life to see Christians as your enemies lol.
You'd enjoy animal sacrifices, gladiator fights, and fertility rituals?
shut up, kike.
>animal sacrifices
I would fucking love to go back to ritual feasts. Imagine a religion where one of the most conspicuous modes of worship was grilling goat meat and brewing ale with your bros.
>gladiator fights
not all pagans are medoids
>and fertility rituals?
sure, why not?
>I would fucking love to go back to ritual feasts
They were solemn events with lots of useless rituals and attention to detail, not a fun barbecue with friends.
>not all pagans are medoids
I think that's what paganism would look like in a large, globalized society. They wouldn't particularly value the lives of foreigners or people with the wrong lineage. There would probably also be slavery, and some of those would end up as gladiators fighting to entertain the masses.
>sure, why not?
It's more useless shit that women do to make themselves feel better. No different from astrology. No pagans today really believe that any magical ritual can help them with fertility problems, or any problems. No one believes the things around us are inhabited by spirits. It's a LARP.
>They were solemn events with lots of useless rituals and attention to detail, not a fun barbecue with friends.
they absolutely were not, they were communal social gatherings. The people in Valhalla are said to have infinite mead produced from the udder of a goat and infinite pork chops produced from a magical regenerating pig. The norse heathens were not a culture of unserious fratbros, of course, but they also weren't stuck up jerkoffs. You must be getting them confused with medieval christians who called special holidays (where you were just expected to go to church and pray all day) "feast days"
>I think that's what paganism would look like in a large, globalized society. They wouldn't particularly value the lives of foreigners or people with the wrong lineage
There's nothing that would makes a pagan any more or less susceptible to partiality or impartiality with respect to outsiders relative to any other religion. In fact, some famous norse heroes are foreigners. Of the top of my head, Weyland the smith is Finnish, and Sigurd the Volsung/ Siegfried is a Hun.
>There would probably also be slavery
historically, "slavery" in northern europe just meant feudalism, it's not the same as american chattel slavery, and the structure of the feudal estate is something that arose to meet the needs of it's time. But such needs are no longer present, which is why we don't need it anymore.
> and some of those would end up as gladiators fighting to entertain the masses.
This doesn't follow, even if we assume worshipping Odin would somehow bring back the institution of chattel slavery.
>It's a LARP.
Only if you don't believe it works.
You imagine modern paganism would be like Norse paganism, but we're not living in a small, pre-industrial, un-globalized society anymore. It would look more like Roman paganism because they had a large globalized society.
>they absolutely were not
Yes they were communal, but they necessarily started with prayers, and there was a strict dress code: all must wear white and wear a crown of leaves on their head.
>There's nothing that would makes a pagan any more or less susceptible to partiality or impartiality with respect to outsiders relative to any other religion
You must be joking. Foreigners couldn't become citizens in the ancient city, and they had no rights without becoming a client of a patron. Lineage mattered because ancestors were gods worshipped at the sacred fire of every family, and only families with the right lineage had divine ancestors. Plebs and foreigners did not have divine ancestors. They had no religion of their own and could only worship the ancestors of their patrons.
>historically, "slavery" in northern europe just meant feudalism
Again, modern conditions are more similar to those of ancient southern Europe, not northern. For one, our population density is much higher and so humans aren't very valuable. See China and India where people are treated like bugs -- even their own people, not foreigners.
>But such needs are no longer present, which is why we don't need it anymore
No one ever needed slavery, but it was profitable for some people, and there never was an "anti-slavery" movement in the pagan world. It was the Christian world that banned slavery, and the process was started long before the 18th century. The slaves of the late Roman Empire were emancipated or partially emancipated by Christian lords.
>and there was a strict dress code: all must wear white and wear a crown of leaves on their head.
This is never attested anywhere in any norse source
>Plebs and foreigners did not have divine ancestors.
I just listed two divine ancestors for foreigners in norse mythology, what the fuck are you even talking about?
>They had no religion of their own and could only worship the ancestors of their patrons.
They had the gods
>Again, modern conditions are more similar to those of ancient southern Europe, not northern.
It's not akin to either. Industrialism has fundamentally changed the entire world. We're in a time that is, for better or worse, largely not comparable to any prior time period.
>See China and India where people are treated like bugs -- even their own people, not foreigners.
They do this because they are asian and have no concept of the value of life, not because of any extant material conditions.
>No one ever needed slavery
the "slaves" (serfs) needed slavery, they were defenseless and disorganized on their own and gathered around a lord who could defend and organize them. They were subsistence farmers, one bad harvest and they were at risk of starvation. All it took was a bad winter or a bandit raid and everyone dies. Being attached to a more competent bureaucratic structure provided a thin level of logistics which could coordinate communities to help each other out when harvests failed, and soldiers to repel attackers.
>but it was profitable for some people
Not really, norse heathen rulers existed just slightly above subsistence levels, the same as their peasants did.
>It was the Christian world that banned slavery
Christians instituted the most notorious system of chattel slavery in all of world history
Massive L
>witchcraft and neopaganism on the rise
do you have any actual proof of this, or is it just another case of teenager larpers having a phase who then move on to some other larp or eventually realize how cringy they are and drop the whole thing
Not OP, but damn do white chicks love astrology, I count that as magic belief bs
can you really say that counts when most of it is pretty much just I'm so quircky shit they only have a surface level knowledge of at best
Yeah. many women are into healing crystals and other new age spiritualism which can be called witchcraft.
>superstition and folklore didnt existed during era of Christendom... it obviously proves our magick is rising!
sure sure, whatever helps you to sleep.
a- oops!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallic_saint
Haven't looked at any formal data collection on the label "pagan", but anecdotally, I have seen an enormous rise in items with putatively magical properties in the little boutiques of cities. Not stores dedicated to alternative medicine or beliefs, but run-of-the-mill millenial hipster stores. I definitely think normie leftoid urbanites are gravitating towards some kind of syncretic astrology/magic/lgbtqia+ spirituality.
Just did some googling. Nat geo claims self-identified pagans have gone from 134,000 to 1.5 million in the last twenty years, more than a tenfold increase. My suspicion is that this is overwhelmingly women watching "witch" content on social media. Fifth wave feminism's goal is to make women retarded candle-burners, it seems.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/where-to-go-to-explore-pagan-culture
What do you think of israelite zombies?
>Seethe about atheism thread #760239
>The rise of witchcraft
rise of cargo cult of actual ancient magic that worked?
modern magic such as "wicca" are full of lies, none of them work and none of the people genuinely believing it read anything about the historical source of magic.
>i have a wicca friend
>i tried to talk about math with him
>he can not do maths
>he thinks STEM is bullshit
>STEM literally is direct descendant of ancient magic and alchemy while what he is doing is drawing some cirlces and waiting John Frum to arrive
>lmao
good thing that lies wont last
>I don't believe so I'll say things I like
Bear in mind that some brujos claim it's just undisclosed physics, but this anon is a homosexual.
You're being unfair to Victorian occultists and even post WWI occultists, they weren't anti-science. In fact the idea that science would prove the existence of ghosts and ESP was very common back then. Even Crowley frequently wrote about the positive relationship between science and magick. It wasn't until the modern New Age movement where people became anti-rationalist and anti-STEM. This follows a general decline of reason in all religions, stuff like deism, Unitarianism and mainline Protestantism are dying while stuff like Pentecostalism is rising.
>magic is only the utilization of secular sciences
What kind of self-own is this
If you go to the ancient world with a nuke you did some real fucking magic for them.
>da left
>da right
shut the fuck up poltranny. you will never come across as a convincing Christian. you're too emotionally invested in your political team
bump
In materialism and atheism, there is no comfort or rest. If nothing else it will be replaced because it has an abysmal global fertility rate. But beyond that, it acts more like a black hole of nihilism. The amount "but I build my own life" existential types which turns out to be fat nerds with Cheeto dust playing Mario Kart at 35 in their mom's basement. I suppose they're living their best life so I shouldn't judge. I left atheism years ago for paganism, I feel something. Men need some wonder, some magic, some ritual, some feeling to get by or else they degenerate rapidly. The leading atheist voices on Youtube for example are not men to emulate but men to run away from, their lives are a nightmare.
>witchcraft
Is not a religion. Wicca is.
Somehow capitalism and all the importance of materialism doesn't play into this? No, just atheism. Okay.
Where is your data from? Secularism has been gradually rising from WW2 and has no signs of going down. Meanwhile christcuckey is in a steady decline in the western world.
he has no data. we are having this thread or a variant of it every week. retard comes in, claims atheism is on the decline, faps to being called an idiot, finishes, wipes (hopefully) and leaves.
Atheist ontology and materialism leads to a world of emptiness. I tried it, however there is the need for that higher cause and even if Christianity will not do there is the need to spiritually construct a theology for the postindustrial era. Whatever the fuck it looks like? I've been trying to find out. I'm heading out to the dunes, wish me luck.
I have yet to see 'spirituality' used in a context that's not some desperate demand for being accepted as somebody superior.
>interlinked
interlinked
he uses big words, he smart.
>anon thinks interlinked is some pretentious word only used to show off and seethes enough to post about it
Athiesm rides on the back of hedonism and apathy rather than any militant ideaology.
What's wrong with hedonism?
No one understands its meaning and just thinks it means do drugs and fuck all day
At the social level, hedonism leads to exactly the things its critics attribute to it.
It's degenerate, in the sense of psychological and social dysfunction.
I think it rides on the back of have 100 IQ or more and encountering grown men who believe an Iron Age Canaanite storm deity created the universe
No, as long as there is people there will be both theists and atheists