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Assisted suicide shouldn't be legal. I don't give a fuck about that person who wants to commit suicide and thinks "life is suffering." He has to suck it up and keep living even if he thinks it's suffering. Suffer, but don't die. It shouldn't be allowed for you to end your suffering. You have to live.
Wait are you being sarcastic? If not, why shouldnt we be able to do that?
Cuz suffering is good. I want you to suffer more. Life is suffering.
>let me tell you how you should accommodate for my retarded situation that can already be resolved by my actions
At least homosexuals wanted a set of judicial advantages when they shat all over the institution of marriage.
No one is stopping you from killing yourself, you have full autonomy over your body, and I don't want to add another point on the list of egregious ways tax payer resources are being wasted.
Buy a gun.
I don't think unassisted suicide should happen either. The fact that at least assisted suicide people have to theoretically sign some papers and see people about it seems better. Too many people are committing suicide though. Suicide shouldn't really be happening at all though. Assisted suicide increases unassisted suicides too.
This unifuckingroinically. These people go out of their way to type out a whole essay as to why the government should give them the right to kill themselves. No one's stopping you, and if you're too scared to do ot, you still got plenty of fight left in you to live. Really telling as to how their thought processes might work.
you are just wrong. you are failing to understand and/or properly respect the unpleasantness of a brutal suicide by hanging or jumping etc.
How can you say you want to die at that point though? It's really no different from just asking for all your problems to magically disappear. People want to die without any of the actual consequences, which are actually short term if done properly, because they can't cope with life. This is exactly why suicide has become a meaningless phrase nowadays. It simply is another way of saying
>I can't cope at this moment so I'm gonna whine about it instead
You'd be better off finding other ways to deal with your problem.
The only thing stopping you is your own cowardice. You're not ready to die, that's a good thing.
Inaccurate, if i had a painless way to die, i would. Meaning fear has nothing to do with it, merely pain, which forces involuntary actions regardless of whether you are scared of it or not
that's good actually, if you lost value in living but not in pain, maybe you should stop sitting on the fence and cope better
What does losing value in pain even mean? Sounds completely deranged, would make torture useless if you could simply lose value in pain
I think most people would, pain and suffering is the best deterrent outside of a good life.
>meaning fear has nothing to do with it
Except you entirely implied fear had something to do with it.
>forces involuntary actions regardless of whether you are scared of it or not
So you're afraid? Because you naturally do not want to die? That's such cope reasoning. Nobody is keeping you alive except yourself, there are plenty of methods, some less painful than other. In theory, you should be dedicated to perfecting one as much as possible for the best result.
I didnt imply anything except that pain is preventing me from dying, your schizo brain is thing that inserted the "fear" part of it. If you are in too much pain, your body will naturally assume control and prevent you from doing the thing you want to do, you cant hold your hand against a stove
There are plenty of methods but the problem is, all the safe methods that are almost painless are all BANNED. The methods you are left with are either dangerous (rope, drugs), painful (rope, drugs) or there is natural evolutionary instinct deliberately designed to protect against it (heights)
Rope is supposedly quite painless if done properly, and even if your body reacts, it doesn't guarantee you will be able to save yourself. You could even do something like jumping in front of a train where your body won't even be able to do anything other than punk out.
you can't reasonably promote these horrid methods above something like helium or pentobarbital.
Its not because I genuinely believe it is the most effective method, it's just an example to make a point. There's lots of ways where your body would not be able to do anything substantial.
30 minutes strangulation kino
Yes if done properly, however if you fuck up somehow, you have a high likelihood of 10x worse and you cant even try to die. Not everyone is a professional suicider, risky methods like ropes will lead to mistakes
Dying in front of a train is unironically the best method, the only problem is that you will become a news worthy scene and taint your entire family as well as traumitize multiple people. Its a dickish way to go out that isnt an option for anyone with a little bit of empathy
high likelihood of becoming payalyzed and now everything is 10x worse*
then you can finally learn the true meaning of hopelessness
Why do you act like thats a good thing? Why should i have to learn this rather being allowed to have a safe exit?
your expectations are too high, get real
My expectation that i should be allowed a tank of a highly available and affordable gas is too high? You should be in a pigs den eating rotten fruit if you think humans dont deserve that much
you can just put a plastic bag on your face geez
be more ecological
How is using PLASTIC more ecological than helium?
i feel like it's the same, plastic is more reusable though for your specific purpose
If its the same, why did you say it would be more ecological?
maybe it's on the same level to produce, but i'm not sure and i definitelly know we shouldn't waste gas on dead people
Maybe? What happened to your confidence from before?
price of a plastic bag vs gas
Your confidence from before is now the price of a plastic bag in comparison to gas? Are you having a stroke?
tell me how extraction of gas is more ecological than production of plastic mr ecology
Since when did i become the teacher? You were the one saying that plastic bags were better, than you were unsure and now you want me to teach you?
i thought you were confident that i have a stroke doe
i can easily still say it like how anyone can aspire and long for anything really. yes, i do want my problems to magically disappear. suicide kind of achieves that but the process is not easy currently. no, i want to die and that is my business regardless of what you think i'm better off doing. you can think someone is better off brushing their own teeth, doesn't mean you force them to brush their teeth or nag them to do it nonstop.
what problem? if you don't care then why does it bother you?
soulless
i don't need to nor will i go into my personal problems here. what don't i care about?
you gave up, so why do you still care
i have no choice but to care as long as i'm at risk of suffering. just because i hate life doesn't mean it stops imposing on me, until i finally die
wow you really got filtered by physical pain
Only selfish slaves of the system are against assisted suicide and they find the most inane copes to justify it
On the contrary, it is masters who control slaves. I am a master because I don't think you should be allowed to make your own choices with regard to ending yourself.
slaves are masters too. masters to break their master's back
Lifecucks be like
go fuck yourself. people like you are the enemy. you will never stop suicide for as long as suffering exists (and it always will in this shitty world). i hope you try to stop a suicide in progress and are killed.
Cute roleplay but most people already think like this so its nothing shocking. Life is a gift and people should be thankful for the opportunity to suffer as it builds character, completely deranged thought process but then again, most people are completely deranged anyway
Assisted suicide should be illegal because if you need the government's permission to do it, you deserve to stay here and suffer.
>The Government should not subsidize suicide
>Why?
>Because whenever the government subsidizes something you get less of it.
It wouldnt be so bad if the government kept their filthy hands out of it but they ban all easy methods of suicide. Cant buy painless drugs to overdose, cant buy pure helium tanks, cant buy guns in the most places of the world. They are deliberately making the process as hard as possible for no reason other than extreme sadism so they have to make it up to us by making it legal, its only fair
>the physical pain exceeds the mental anguish that causes my desire to kill myself
poser
You would be right if everyone played on the same difficulty but some people are far more sensitive to pain than others. Even if their desire to die is higher than someone who successfully dies, it wouldnt matter if their pain sensitivity is even higher than that
You are just playing on easy difficulty pleb
legalizing suicide presents a legal gray area where it could potentially be used to murder people
only those who cannot communicate for themselves are vulnerable to such a threat. it could just be a rule that those unable to communicate for themselves, are unable to sign up for it.
just look at what happened to commies in canada
i don't know what happened in canada. i am sceptical of the stories circulating about it online. anti-suicide people will try their hardest to paint it as a campaign of murder but that's their tricks.
they nationalized healthcare is so bad that the doctors keep trying to convince people to kill themselves and the people sleep in disgusting hospital beds
nationalised healthcare sucks, but so does privatising and having people who are priced out of good health. so it's lose-lose here.
>doctors keep trying to convince people to kill themselves
not sure how true that really is. again, i'm skeptical
you can be sure that there is at least one case, and that the lawmakers are corrupt
if true that's a problem with the doctors practising it, not really a problem with the concept of assisted suicide per se
Cant that be easily changed? Just make it so that doctors cant recommend suicide under no circumstances. Its such an easy fix that its suspicious why everyone is so eager to throw the whole thing out rather than trying to improve it
tell that to the government idealist
i was criticizing the possibility of exploitation of it.
almost anything can be exploited. forbidding the whole thing for this risk is disproportionate
not when the government has a monopoly on it
government is the only option. unless we allow people to privately purchase the necessary drugs but i have a feeling you'll oppose that
Almost all good things come with downsides, its still inhumane to not give people the option to die when they are suffering. Will it be abused? Im sure it will but allowing people the freedom to die is still the right thing
all opponents of assisted suicide deserve gruesome and agonising deaths which they want to force on the suicidal. and i would be more than happy to give them that (in minecraft).
If I was going to do it , I'd rather suicide outside of Jack Kevorkian's spooky murder office. Assisted suicide requires signing of papers. They just want to harvest your organs.
who cares what they do with your remains mate. you do it because you want to stop living.
Suicide is based but needing the fucking nanny state to ventilate you is cringe as fuck. The most based suicide is when it fucks up normies lives, like mass shooting suicides or jumping under busy trains so everything is delayed. Fuck life fuck the govt fuck society and fuck normies.
not all of us want to go out in agony and/or terror. peaceful exit needs to be an option for sanity's sake
>muh sanity
If you're going to die anyway, why does it matter?
>muh right to die
There's nothing stopping you in the first place.
See
Yes, there are things stopping me
because i will avoid suffering, at any cost. i will even make others suffer to achieve it
>be me, dying of a rare cancer eating me from the inside out
>"just suck it up bro" -/LULZ/ user
>take those words to heart
>jump out of hospital bed and run a marathon
>start extremely successful company a day later and buy a mercedes
>go to strip club the next day and do coke off the hottest strippers ass
>all the positive vibes kills the tumor in under three days
Haha.. I can't believe that was 20 years ago.
If women can have entire well-staffed government-funded medical centers dedicated to murdering their children, the least we can offer the unfortunate is a guaranteed, well-executed way out. Life is a choice.
Ring ring ring banana phone.
Normal takes are normal.
leaf here:
MAD is already be abused by practitioners here. People who aren't even suicidal are being told to kill themselves because of mental health reasons and because they'd "be a burden."
It absolutely shouldn't be allowed.