Agreed, and I love that the systemd team now have a siege mentality, because of hostile users 🙂
However, if you're going to tell people to RTFM, then you'd better have a FM that The people can R, which is what Arch has in spades. The best manual by far of any available.
There are plenty of reasons why systemd is bad.
Doesn't mean alternatives aren't worse, but the only thing that cannot be disputed is that you are a moron.
The actual PID1 stuff is only a fraction of that though. That's the problem with systemd, if it was only service management and monitoring (systemctl, journalctl, etc), I'd have no problem with it. It would be possible to replace it with little trouble if you don't like it.
why would you need artix to have systemd less arch just replace systemd in arch yourself
That would be a pain in the ass because a lot of arch packages depend on systemd. That's the entire problem with systemd, not systemd itself but how distributions package it. Artix has a fraction of the resources that Arch has and supports 4 different init systems.
Systemd sucks and was forced into linux by Red Hat and Canonical but it's not a hill I'm going to die defending.
Agreed, and I love that the systemd team now have a siege mentality, because of hostile users 🙂
However, if you're going to tell people to RTFM, then you'd better have a FM that The people can R, which is what Arch has in spades. The best manual by far of any available.
>the systemd team now have a siege mentality, because of hostile users
They brought this on themselves sucking cocks to win political battles on open source distro committees rather appealing to users directly with actual merits.
>init system handles DNS resolution
mental illness
>maid using computers
If you like artix and you have advance Linux powers, please work on changing the distro to Maidix and include tools for advanced Computer Science and Mathematics.
>actual interesting and unique way of managing services
Arch users in one sentence. Runit instead of an init system and musl instead of a c library. But it's so unique, nobody has that weird setup, that makes it better.
So.
Arch User is fit, youngful and (at least physically) healthy man while Artix User is malformed caricature of a "strong" man that looks like bad example of being addicted to oil enjection.
I'm not user of either of these but you made Arch looks based and cool. I may try it one day.
>Arch User is fit, youngful and (at least physically) healthy man
that thing looks underweight
men should also not take estrogen >malformed caricature of a "strong" man that looks like bad example of being addicted to oil enjection.
You are a fucking retard man. Thinly veiled homosexual post.
Yeah, I even use it in conjunction with turnstile on one of my systems.
>(e)logind is far more of a risk than systemd as a pid1
I'm sure you can coherently explain this without sounding like you have mental problems.
In short, the pid1 section of the code is a tiny portion of the whole codebase; it has not been updated in ages, and no severe CVEs have been reported for it. The same doesn't apply to logind, and any of the code's shortcomings would affect elogind.
Regardless, that isn't necessarily the main point of contention for me. What I'm more concerned with is the increasing number of programs that needlessly relies on logind. Far what it's worth, the extent of a program's reliance on the init and service management suite should be mostly limited to service management - obviously.
>Yeah, I even use it in conjunction with turnstile on one of my systems.
so what's the problem? Artix lets you switch to seatd seamlessly.
One can also switch to nldev + smdev with a little bit of fiddling. udev-zero is also available.
>Yeah, I even use it in conjunction with turnstile on one of my systems.
so what's the problem? Artix lets you switch to seatd seamlessly.
One can also switch to nldev + smdev with a little bit of fiddling. udev-zero is also available.
I tried seatd but it didn't work for major DEs (MATE, XFCE).
There is basically no difference between Arch and Artix that the average user would notice. Some commands and programs on Arch and other "mainstream" distros might be not work on Artix because it uses a niche init system, but other than that they are the same.
You can get an Artix ISO that comes preinstalled with a Desktop Environment and an installer. While you can do something similar on Arch (with Archinstall, LARBS, etc.) it is slightly more difficult
I've used it for a couple years. It's a nice interim between braindead arch and know-every-useflag gentoo.
When I build a compiling server I'm going to slowly switch my devices over to gentoo and pull binary packages from it like a normal distro.
Void is really nice. I appreciate how they quarantine proprietary software in a separate repo, offer support for musl and different architectures and so on. The BSD influences with stuff like xbps-src also makes it really interesting, and it has a cool name (very important). The only thing it lacks is an userbase. There's about 4 maintainers so packages are often lagging behind or outright missing from what I've seen. So you end up having to compile things or use nix/shartpaks.
Artix being able to piggyback arch extra/community packages and AUR makes it a lot more usable
It's possible to not blindly hate everything from freedesktop believe it or not. systemd is arguably not freedesktop anyway (yes yes, I know they hosted there in the past).
>systemd is bad because... It just is, okay?!
Agreed, and I love that the systemd team now have a siege mentality, because of hostile users 🙂
However, if you're going to tell people to RTFM, then you'd better have a FM that The people can R, which is what Arch has in spades. The best manual by far of any available.
It's the wikipedia of manuals and Gentoos is better
if you have to read any manual to use your operating system then your operating system is not worth using
This.
Linux is only free if your time is worthless.
/thread
There are plenty of reasons why systemd is bad.
Doesn't mean alternatives aren't worse, but the only thing that cannot be disputed is that you are a moron.
systemd is literally flawless software.
1.8 million lines of C code.
That's too much attack surface for a PID 1 in my opinion.
The actual PID1 stuff is only a fraction of that though. That's the problem with systemd, if it was only service management and monitoring (systemctl, journalctl, etc), I'd have no problem with it. It would be possible to replace it with little trouble if you don't like it.
That would be a pain in the ass because a lot of arch packages depend on systemd. That's the entire problem with systemd, not systemd itself but how distributions package it. Artix has a fraction of the resources that Arch has and supports 4 different init systems.
Systemd sucks and was forced into linux by Red Hat and Canonical but it's not a hill I'm going to die defending.
>the systemd team now have a siege mentality, because of hostile users
They brought this on themselves sucking cocks to win political battles on open source distro committees rather appealing to users directly with actual merits.
Exactly.
I use arch btw
Foot pics or didn't happen.
For me, it's openSUSE Tumblesneed.
You're a wintoddler. Most homosexuals are. Or macfags if they're not poor.
Source on the right one?
why would you need artix to have systemd less arch just replace systemd in arch yourself
god i wish i actually looked like one of them
Artix linux is my favorite distro
Why is systemd bad?
UNIX philosophy is not an argument.
>init system handles DNS resolution
mental illness
both of these look like the fake computer desktops they show on movies
>BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
I used artix before but decided to use arch because I realized the artix was just no systemd copium
>BRAAAAAAAAAP
>SNIIIIFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
wha does it smell like
i would gladly take that daily
start using Linux Mint. cure your autism
>maid using computers
If you like artix and you have advance Linux powers, please work on changing the distro to Maidix and include tools for advanced Computer Science and Mathematics.
sooo which init system do I pick? lol
systemd
Runit
fast, small, simple, actual interesting and unique way of managing services
>actual interesting and unique way of managing services
Arch users in one sentence. Runit instead of an init system and musl instead of a c library. But it's so unique, nobody has that weird setup, that makes it better.
So.
Arch User is fit, youngful and (at least physically) healthy man while Artix User is malformed caricature of a "strong" man that looks like bad example of being addicted to oil enjection.
I'm not user of either of these but you made Arch looks based and cool. I may try it one day.
>oil enjection
>Arch User is fit, youngful and (at least physically) healthy man
that thing looks underweight
men should also not take estrogen
>malformed caricature of a "strong" man that looks like bad example of being addicted to oil enjection.
You are a fucking retard man. Thinly veiled homosexual post.
why would you need either when gentoo exists
Arch user is cuter.
Artix is for larping retards; (e)logind is far more of a risk than systemd as a pid1.
Use Obarun/Joborun instead for actually systemd-free Arch.
ever heard of seatd?
Yeah, I even use it in conjunction with turnstile on one of my systems.
In short, the pid1 section of the code is a tiny portion of the whole codebase; it has not been updated in ages, and no severe CVEs have been reported for it. The same doesn't apply to logind, and any of the code's shortcomings would affect elogind.
Regardless, that isn't necessarily the main point of contention for me. What I'm more concerned with is the increasing number of programs that needlessly relies on logind. Far what it's worth, the extent of a program's reliance on the init and service management suite should be mostly limited to service management - obviously.
>What I'm more concerned with is the increasing number of programs that needlessly relies on logind
such as?
>Yeah, I even use it in conjunction with turnstile on one of my systems.
so what's the problem? Artix lets you switch to seatd seamlessly.
One can also switch to nldev + smdev with a little bit of fiddling. udev-zero is also available.
I tried seatd but it didn't work for major DEs (MATE, XFCE).
>(e)logind is far more of a risk than systemd as a pid1
I'm sure you can coherently explain this without sounding like you have mental problems.
Please explain why. Is there any other difference between Arch and Artix besides systemd (if so, Im on board)? Is the install process still the same?
There is basically no difference between Arch and Artix that the average user would notice. Some commands and programs on Arch and other "mainstream" distros might be not work on Artix because it uses a niche init system, but other than that they are the same.
You can get an Artix ISO that comes preinstalled with a Desktop Environment and an installer. While you can do something similar on Arch (with Archinstall, LARBS, etc.) it is slightly more difficult
t. used Artix for a couple weeks
It's literally a fork of Arch that has OpenRC instead of systemd.
OP, no one gives a fuck about what you use. Are you 16? Do you need some affirmation or something?
Artix linux is good, however they rely too heavily on the arch wiki, & that makes it a pain if u ever get an issue with the init
I've used it for a couple years. It's a nice interim between braindead arch and know-every-useflag gentoo.
When I build a compiling server I'm going to slowly switch my devices over to gentoo and pull binary packages from it like a normal distro.
Just use Void
Void is really nice. I appreciate how they quarantine proprietary software in a separate repo, offer support for musl and different architectures and so on. The BSD influences with stuff like xbps-src also makes it really interesting, and it has a cool name (very important). The only thing it lacks is an userbase. There's about 4 maintainers so packages are often lagging behind or outright missing from what I've seen. So you end up having to compile things or use nix/shartpaks.
Artix being able to piggyback arch extra/community packages and AUR makes it a lot more usable
>systemd... LE BAD
>even though I use elogind and udevd, and everything else freedesktop gives me, BUT NOT SYSTEMD BECAUSE IT IS BAD OKAY
It's possible to not blindly hate everything from freedesktop believe it or not. systemd is arguably not freedesktop anyway (yes yes, I know they hosted there in the past).