Argue against suicide without using religious
"rationale". Can you do it? I don't think you can, especially if you're Christian to begin with.
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Argue against suicide without using religious
"rationale". Can you do it? I don't think you can, especially if you're Christian to begin with.
hurt loved ones emotionally is all I got
Why would this matter to someone if they're only concerned about their life only?
If suicide is good, we should seek to maximize it. We should produce more children so they can commit suicide as well. We should raise them and continue to contribute to society so more people can reproduce, thus further maximize suicide.
Ok. You use "we" as if the individual's choice doesn't matter. So they don't matter? Only "we" matters?
Why is society good?
Doesn't morality presuppose the existence of a "we"? You're asking why it's moral. Doesn't that imply it's more than just your personal desires and that everyone should do it?
>Doesn't morality presuppose the existence of a "we”
No, it’s just that you personally desire the welfare of others (humans, particularly). All morality is personal preference and how to best satisfy those preferences
Why would I concern myself with "morality" at all if all I care about is myself? Morality presupposes concern for the other. Selfishness is immoral by defintion. In a society where only you exist, anything you do is moral.
>Selfishness is immoral by defintion
That depends on your definition. Moral behavior usually just means “right” or “good” behavior, which obviously doesn’t explain much. But you’re assuming that morality = utilitarianism, but that’s just one system of morality. If you think selflessness or utilitarianism equals morality, then let’s stop using the word moral altogether. Why should I be selfless? I could only do so if I desired it. So it’s ultimately selfish anyway.
If you are selfish, how does morality come into the picture at all? This is like asking what the weight of nothing is.
I’m really glad I didn’t commit suicide in the past. So in my case it just seems stupid. Maybe for miserable people with no chance of improvement it is not such a bad idea
So very caring you are for the society. But hey, atleast you're being honest.
Non sequitur. It’s not apparent that society would worsen if all the extremely miserable people committed suicide. In my opinion there are only a few circumstances that would justify suicide. If I had some sort of incurable disease, or lost my legs and arms, suffered without ceasing, or felt that I couldn’t be of value to anyone, then maybe I would commit suicide. But first I would at least try
You're not even arguing against it you're just being passively neutral about it. Honestly just go away if you don't have any arguments.
No it isn't for the majority of people.
I explained that some lives would be better if they were ended. But most people can overcome their problems and improve their lives. It’s hard to say that other should or shouldn’t do it because I have no idea how they experience the world, I just know that I’ve had bad times but I’m thankful I’m still alive, and I’m optimistic that my future will be even better than now. I’m not gonna say that suicide is inherently morally evil. Only morons speak like that
>I explained that some lives would be better if they were ended. But most--
We aren't talking about them. Again you're not arguing very well at all. Time to go away now.
>no! you can’t have nuanced opinions!
listen, buddy, I’m the Alpha Brain around here. I know you wanted to make fun of everyone arguing that suicide is inherently bad, and you’re disappointed that someone offered a more reasonable perspective. I find it interesting that you asked people to argue against suicide, but you yourself didn’t even bother to argue FOR it.
I don't need to argue for it when those arguing against it have nothing to offer aside from the moralhomosexualry/religion bullshit, which as someone said in this thread, is a matter of personal preference and has, at best, no tangible reality behind it.
>which as someone said in this thread, is a matter of personal preference
Yeah, that was me. And I DID offer an argument against it, which is that it might be preferable to not commit suicide, as I myself have experienced the gratitude of not killing myself in the past. So the problem just comes down to whether or not one’s life can be improved, which depends on the person and their circumstances. But I would say that most people who consider suicide will have preferred that they didn’t commit suicide. It’s rare you hear someone say “I wish I killed myself a year ago.”
But you didn't offer any argument, it was just admitting that people should suicide if things go south. Again this is a very weak argument if it even is one. It's like you're almost in favor of it if it weren't for the other pro-life things you added in there.
What’s the problem? I don’t believe in moral absolutes. I would argue in the same manner against murder, rape, theft, etc. Generally doesn’t lead to preferable outcomes, but sometimes it can. It’s not that complicated. The only real problem is that no one can predict the future, so we’re always just making educated guesses.
The problem is that you're not effectively arguing against suicide. In my opinion, once again, you're not arguing against it at all.
Not to mention you were promoting it for the ultimate welfare of society, even to the point of negating the individual's existence as if they didn't matter hence, the prompt removal of them.
no idea what you’re referring to. You’re a standard deviation below me, at least. I’m going to bed
Nice way of copping out.
Suicide is an incredibly and selfish if you have kids to raise. Beyond that though have at it, if your life is miserable there is no point to perpetuate it if you don't want to just because it makes others uncomfortable.
I can't and even if I could I wouldn't do it. The death of the wicked is always a good thing.
Life is lit and easy
Murder is bad. Therefore, killing yourself is equally bad.
This is appealing to moralhomosexualry thus very in line with religion, and thus very weak argument and does not provide a satisfying answer to the problem at hand.
So atheists have no morals? Good for revealing your real nature. It's the truth: atheists essentially are beasts with a human brain, they have no reason, and they are also not conscious.
Why are you asking then if you have no morals anyways? Are you pretending there would be a reason against suicide (or against rape, murder) if it wasn't for morals?
No I'm asking because I wanted to see if there was a legitimate argument to be made for it and there really isn't at all. Thankyou for confirming my hypothesis. You can go to bed now..
See you in jail
For what?
Rape, murder, vandalism and slave holding.
Just go to bed, Anon.
Seriously though, now that you "redpilled" yourself on morals, why don't you start raping people and robbing grannies on the street?
You didn't argue against suicide and now you're going off on the moralhomosexualry tangent, I shan't be discussing anything further with you.
I did. It's as bad as murdering someone considering the impact on the dead person and it's friends and family. good luck arguing against that. Is murder good now o support your arguments?
>When I get to the location I'm going to be there for the rest of forever
>I won't look around a bit before then and should B-line it straight there
What a moron you have to be to have a nice day unironically
people do end their lives for various reasons. however in most cases its something you could remedy. so its not rational to start telling people to "do it", rather you should help people to overcome the feeling of hopelessness.
>however in most cases its something you could remedy
Citation needed.
The religious rationale isn't that strong to begin with.
>if you have a nice day, then you will suffer in hell for all eternity.