Argue against suicide without using religious. "rationale". Can you do it?


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Argue against suicide without using religious
"rationale". Can you do it? I don't think you can, especially if you're Christian to begin with.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hurt loved ones emotionally is all I got

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why would this matter to someone if they're only concerned about their life only?

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If suicide is good, we should seek to maximize it. We should produce more children so they can commit suicide as well. We should raise them and continue to contribute to society so more people can reproduce, thus further maximize suicide.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ok. You use "we" as if the individual's choice doesn't matter. So they don't matter? Only "we" matters?

      Why is society good?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't morality presuppose the existence of a "we"? You're asking why it's moral. Doesn't that imply it's more than just your personal desires and that everyone should do it?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Doesn't morality presuppose the existence of a "we”
          No, it’s just that you personally desire the welfare of others (humans, particularly). All morality is personal preference and how to best satisfy those preferences

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why would I concern myself with "morality" at all if all I care about is myself? Morality presupposes concern for the other. Selfishness is immoral by defintion. In a society where only you exist, anything you do is moral.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Selfishness is immoral by defintion
              That depends on your definition. Moral behavior usually just means “right” or “good” behavior, which obviously doesn’t explain much. But you’re assuming that morality = utilitarianism, but that’s just one system of morality. If you think selflessness or utilitarianism equals morality, then let’s stop using the word moral altogether. Why should I be selfless? I could only do so if I desired it. So it’s ultimately selfish anyway.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you are selfish, how does morality come into the picture at all? This is like asking what the weight of nothing is.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m really glad I didn’t commit suicide in the past. So in my case it just seems stupid. Maybe for miserable people with no chance of improvement it is not such a bad idea

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So very caring you are for the society. But hey, atleast you're being honest.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Non sequitur. It’s not apparent that society would worsen if all the extremely miserable people committed suicide. In my opinion there are only a few circumstances that would justify suicide. If I had some sort of incurable disease, or lost my legs and arms, suffered without ceasing, or felt that I couldn’t be of value to anyone, then maybe I would commit suicide. But first I would at least try

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're not even arguing against it you're just being passively neutral about it. Honestly just go away if you don't have any arguments.

          Life is lit and easy

          No it isn't for the majority of people.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I explained that some lives would be better if they were ended. But most people can overcome their problems and improve their lives. It’s hard to say that other should or shouldn’t do it because I have no idea how they experience the world, I just know that I’ve had bad times but I’m thankful I’m still alive, and I’m optimistic that my future will be even better than now. I’m not gonna say that suicide is inherently morally evil. Only retards speak like that

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I explained that some lives would be better if they were ended. But most--

              We aren't talking about them. Again you're not arguing very well at all. Time to go away now.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no! you can’t have nuanced opinions!
                listen, buddy, I’m the Alpha Brain around here. I know you wanted to make fun of everyone arguing that suicide is inherently bad, and you’re disappointed that someone offered a more reasonable perspective. I find it interesting that you asked people to argue against suicide, but you yourself didn’t even bother to argue FOR it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't need to argue for it when those arguing against it have nothing to offer aside from the moralhomosexualry/religion bullshit, which as someone said in this thread, is a matter of personal preference and has, at best, no tangible reality behind it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >which as someone said in this thread, is a matter of personal preference
                Yeah, that was me. And I DID offer an argument against it, which is that it might be preferable to not commit suicide, as I myself have experienced the gratitude of not killing myself in the past. So the problem just comes down to whether or not one’s life can be improved, which depends on the person and their circumstances. But I would say that most people who consider suicide will have preferred that they didn’t commit suicide. It’s rare you hear someone say “I wish I killed myself a year ago.”

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But you didn't offer any argument, it was just admitting that people should suicide if things go south. Again this is a very weak argument if it even is one. It's like you're almost in favor of it if it weren't for the other pro-life things you added in there.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What’s the problem? I don’t believe in moral absolutes. I would argue in the same manner against murder, rape, theft, etc. Generally doesn’t lead to preferable outcomes, but sometimes it can. It’s not that complicated. The only real problem is that no one can predict the future, so we’re always just making educated guesses.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The problem is that you're not effectively arguing against suicide. In my opinion, once again, you're not arguing against it at all.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not to mention you were promoting it for the ultimate welfare of society, even to the point of negating the individual's existence as if they didn't matter hence, the prompt removal of them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no idea what you’re referring to. You’re a standard deviation below me, at least. I’m going to bed

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nice way of copping out.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Suicide is an incredibly and selfish if you have kids to raise. Beyond that though have at it, if your life is miserable there is no point to perpetuate it if you don't want to just because it makes others uncomfortable.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can't and even if I could I wouldn't do it. The death of the wicked is always a good thing.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Life is lit and easy

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Murder is bad. Therefore, killing yourself is equally bad.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is appealing to moralhomosexualry thus very in line with religion, and thus very weak argument and does not provide a satisfying answer to the problem at hand.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So atheists have no morals? Good for revealing your real nature. It's the truth: atheists essentially are beasts with a human brain, they have no reason, and they are also not conscious.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why are you asking then if you have no morals anyways? Are you pretending there would be a reason against suicide (or against rape, murder) if it wasn't for morals?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No I'm asking because I wanted to see if there was a legitimate argument to be made for it and there really isn't at all. Thankyou for confirming my hypothesis. You can go to bed now..

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            See you in jail

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              For what?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rape, murder, vandalism and slave holding.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just go to bed, Anon.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Seriously though, now that you "redpilled" yourself on morals, why don't you start raping people and robbing grannies on the street?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You didn't argue against suicide and now you're going off on the moralhomosexualry tangent, I shan't be discussing anything further with you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I did. It's as bad as murdering someone considering the impact on the dead person and it's friends and family. Good luck arguing against that. Is murder good now o support your arguments?

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >When I get to the location I'm going to be there for the rest of forever
    >I won't look around a bit before then and should B-line it straight there
    What a retard you have to be to kill yourself unironically

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    people do end their lives for various reasons. however in most cases its something you could remedy. so its not rational to start telling people to "do it", rather you should help people to overcome the feeling of hopelessness.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >however in most cases its something you could remedy

      Citation needed.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The religious rationale isn't that strong to begin with.
    >if you kill yourself, then you will suffer in hell for all eternity.

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