Are women really not attracted to behavioral genetics when choosing partners?
Surely an average looking guy who wrote a decent opera and has a good job is on a fundamental genetic level more desirable than some chad bartender with relatively low impulse control and no athletics career.
Most self improvement is nonsense.
The only self improvement women are attracted to is ***A PROVEN RECORD OF SUCCESSFUL PHYSICAL VIOLENCE***
For modern examples of this see Kyle rittenhouse, or literally any serial killer receiving a dozen love letters a day in prison.
>Most self improvement is nonsense.
what does self-improvement have to do with behavioural genetics? i didn't know one could improov their genes. but what i really think is happening is you are falsely equating genes with physical appearance, when all psychological traits are highly genetic, sometimes more than physical traits, and there's nothing inherently more malleable about them.
I think he's saying that you can IMPROOOVE yourself but still not get the results you wanted in accord to the work you put into self-improving. If the non self-improved version of you is only good to get a 2/10, the self-improved version will bump that to only a 5/10. Girls will always prefer the natural born chads and can tell when someone is trying to cheat above their league.
I was just saying that it's irrelevant to the OP which was asking about heritable behavioural trait. no one said anything about transforming yourself or the limits of doing so. I think he was just making the common error of assuming that because a trait is non-physical it's therefore non-genetic in its basis and thus highly plastic and improvable.
not sure why you don't think going from a 2 to a 5 isn't a drastic leap though.. well i can kind of predict why you'd think so, but it definitely is. if that were a realistically achievable result for most guys it'd be far from a meme.
>not sure why you don't think going from a 2 to a 5 isn't a drastic leap though.. well i can kind of predict why you'd think so, but it definitely is.
The self-improover is aiming for at least a 7/10, in most cases
This is so arbitrary, a woman is either good looking or ugly
if right grew his hair out and got contacts he would hard mog.
Steven Armstrong on the right
Rittenhouse and serial killers both have proven records of physical violence. He‘s just a recent example that anon used (though I imagine the huge settlement he got and will probably continued to receive helps).
No I mean I don't understand the association with Kyle and these other guys considering all he did was shoot a convicted repeat child-rapist to death in self-defense.
learn to read retard
Yes and no.
Violence is the chief accomplishment in the eyes of women. But not the only one. Accomplishing wonders. Winning. Standing above your fellow men in something meaningful and measurable is attractive.
In my tribe we say “If you wish to be free from the depredations of women, simply be unremarkable. Achieve nothing. Seek neither fame nor infamy.”.
Serial killer groupies are a particular group of highly eccentric women. I don't understand them, and I'm a woman.
Look, anon. There are four types of guys in the world:
1. Guys who fuck based on their physicality
2. Guys who fuck because of their personality
3. Guys who fuck because of their utility.
4. Guys who don't fuck.
There have always been plenty of guys in the latter category, but nobody cared to listen to what they had to say, because who cares what a loser who can't get any pussy, not even from some greasy slag, has to say about women and relationships? But thanks to the internet, web forums, and social media, the least desired men in society now have soapboxes to rant ceaselessly about why women are evil because they want Chad and not them despite this being common knowledge since fucking antiquity. They could go to the gym and start dressing better so they could become physicality-based guys. They could develop some interesting hobbies and learn how to spit game so they could become personality-based guys. Or they could get a good-paying job and a few assets so they could become utility-based guys.
But that's hard. Easier to be like this bottom-feeding homosexual and say that improving your attractiveness rating with women is pointless and that women just want some Dark Triad violent psychopath or some nonsense.
This is true, even in Xenophon's book there was a part where some princess slept with a Chad military officer. Even Anna Karenina falls for a Chad in the Tolstoy novel.
But both Chads were not useless trash Instagram "influencers", they were both responsibility carrying career Chads.
Women are primitive-brained animals who cannot logically conduct eugenics post-civilisation.
You reckon the women who write love letters to serial killers are prime examples of pure trad femininity or tragically desperate used up village bicycles?
Do you think women are Disney princesses? This is how I know you’re a virgin or have minimal experience. Women are even more ruthlessly Darwinian than men are.
women are ruthless. Its all survival. Women are political at their core. Its the ottoman concubine 24/7 for women.
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS IT.
For women, sex is about power.
For men, power is about sex.
>not answering the question
Are the kind of women who write to serial killers worth having, yes or no?
It’s not about personal opinion, it’s about what is
they're also spiteful.
they will become debt free virgins without tattoos and incels will just incur that much more disdain from them. the unlucky men they settle for will be psychologically tortured to death.
well there's definitely strong selection AGAINST behavioural genes that result in mental disorders if fertility rates are anything to go by, while they affect women less (the same isn't true for physical attractiveness):
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in terms of positive selection, men with higher humour ability (rated blindly) have more mating success:
>For the mating success factor, the final model was significant [F (2, 274) = 73.42, adjusted 2R = 0.35, p < o.001)], with only the sex (women = 0, men = 1) variable as a predictor (B = 1.16, SE = 0.10, p < .001).
and get more of a boost in attractiveness ratings when higher in humour ability than women do:
dark triad traits have also been shown to correlate with lifetime sex partners and men higher in DT traits are rated higher in attractiveness even controlling for physical attractiveness:
extroversion also correlates highly with sexual success, but it's not clear how much is due to their own confidence causing them to hit on more chicks and be more socially active and how much is that they're perceived more desirably. it correlates somewhat with attractiveness largely mediated by grooming but not enough to explain the bulk of the effect
dark triad is a meme. they like men who look good and crave for men who look good with triad traits. An ugly janitor cant just go dark triad spider man mode and get women.
I made a girl laugh her ass off via a shitty SMS joke I made and she fell for me.
>Autism male barely above 0.2
Autism bros... not like this...
My boyfriend is autistic. But then so am I, so we're a good match.
>depression female has virtually no fertility difference vs the general population
Jesus Christ how horrifying
Your mom was depressed into the pillow last night... if you know what I mean.
It is. To me it suggests that not only is depression not sufficiently maladaptive to be weeded out of the gene pool, but that we’re actually bred to suffer. Buddhists win, and in winning lose
Depressed masterrace reporting in
God I hate being autistic. I hate being alive but I don't want to cause my family pain and shame from my suicide. So I kill strangle what remains of my spirit.
There is nothing better than a good looking yet humble man. Nothing
It's a dichotomy. The average looking guy is a stable reliable choice for raising child. He will show up the give resources to the child. The bartender is a high risk high reward strategy. Sure, he may never show up to raise the child, but he's more desired by other women and so if you have a child with him that child is more likely to be of superior genetic stock as well and be able to propagate the genes as a chad as well.
look up the sexy son hypothesis
>more desired by other women
Why, if he lacks the proper behavioural genetics.
You‘re the one associating successful physical violence with serial killing. You don‘t know what me or the other anon are talking about.
Yeah, he killed those freaks, didn‘t look like a pussy doing it, and was vindicated by the law.
Serial killers are different, but both receive special attention from women *due* to their violence, which is the point that anon was making; not calling Rittenhouse a serial killer.
He talked about serial killers first you idiot
Women being bad for everyone has been known since Roman times.
Women are the sweetest poison.
I love how betas always describe “the perfect man” as literally themselves, then get pissy when women don’t want them
And because you are too scared to be a macho man, you instead try to scorn them and tear them down
That’s feminine as fuck
Ok of course women are attracted to Behavior. They are similar to men. The good looking slutty bartender girl with no forebrain is fun for casual sex, but the less pretty but more responsible and smart girl is more attractive for raising a family. And is also attractive for casual sex too, for people who appreciate their mental traits. No need to get obsessed with eco psych and dark triad and whatnot. It’s pretty simple.
Why do incels love calling attractive people stupid? Beautiful people are higher IQ than ugly people on average.
And women aren't men with tits. Beautiful women have fewer sexual partners on average.
>Surely an average looking guy who wrote a decent opera and has a good job is on a fundamental genetic level more desirable than some chad bartender with relatively low impulse control and no athletics career.
On what basis? Life exists to perpetuate itself, nothing more. If your 160 IQ creative genius has a panic attack when talking to girls he's less genetically fit than a 90 IQ dumbass who only reads the titles of clickbait articles and gets his news from twitter.
women are attracted to success, confidence and not weakness.
intelligent women would do bitch tests to test for any weaknesses in a partner.
And then end up alone and being known as the cool wine aunts that loves cats because they're excessively picky
Women's hypergamous nature is a net positive for the human race. Cultures where women are less picky are typically shitty compared to places like the US, China and western Europe, where many women have higher standards and will choose to die alone if they are not met.
i bet those girls aren't virgins
I mean, I am, but it's kind of a moot point when I'm infertile anyway. I'm sure there are fertile women whose tastes resemble mine though.
Women are lagging in sexual preference. We need engineers and they are still favoring hunters