Are pattern locks secure?
Are pattern locks secure?
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Are pattern locks secure?
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Uh, I guess. Unless someone sees it, then no.
seems like it'd be doable just seeing the thumb oppositions
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No they aren't.
More secure than no lock. Just as secure as a pin. Less secure than a password, less secure than biometrics. Unless you're dealing with the US government then they can legally use your biometrics to unlock your device.
>Unless you're dealing with the US government then they can legally use your biometrics to unlock your device.
At least most phones now offer a way to disable them.
except you never know if the fingerprint sensor is still active and can get your fingerprints.
you do know it's not active if you flash a rom that doesn't have an appropriate driver
>FBI hacks your laughably unsecure ROM uploaded by a pajeet (or by FBI themselves) to XDA
>installs driver back
>plus more malware
fortunately, disabling finger print sensor is usually as easy as unplugging or cutting one ribbon cable. the bad news is that you need to open your phone first.
You can apply the exact same logic to every linux distro.
Windows doesn't even need hacking, you just send the microcucks a strongly worded letter about what malware to include with the next Windows Update.
Tbh I'm not particularly scared about feds in my systems, there's nothing for them here, I just don't want people who might be inclined to steal my banking info.
you will never be as important to the glowies as you believe
and if you were, you wouldn't be using a fucking phone with internet connection to begin with
get your schizophrenia right, retard
AFAIK, government agencies use shit like this to extract data from your device, including deleted files. I haven't seen one in action, but I know they can bypass encryption on iOS and Android.
https://cellebrite.com/en/ufed-ultimate/
>they can bypass encryption on iOS
yeah if your phone is five years old and you are running an obsolete version of iOS. Cellebrite has nothing on modern iPhones / iOS versions.
Source?
same as yours
Biometrics in general is the least secure. You can never change it, and you can be physically forced to give it away. Biometrics is login name, not password.
I feel like it's easier to see someone's pattern than their pin
for this reason I always turn on the option to hide the line
they'd have to not only see my screen, but also think the ungodly line I just drew was me unlocking it
I was at a bar with friends, and well saw one of my friends autistic pattern. None of us could do it, and we all tried. She basically swiped from top right all the way down left and then up and down again in zig zag patterns.
But she left out specific points.
I guess with enough time we would've gotten it, but given that each unsuccessful attempt locks you out longer, makes me think that even seeing an autistic pattern is secure enough for the average joe
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The only problem with that kind of stuff is that once you get one spot of the screen that doesn't have enough touch contact your device will be completely locked
This is why I prefer a combination of fingerprint + pin code + pattern
Luckily Samsung ™ offers this solution, in their brand new S phones and even their low budget phones like the A21s (™) they offer triple protection.
My A21s (™) is so freaking cool, good and secure (Thanks to Knox ™) that it gives me 3 methods of unlocking my phone.
4 digits PIN
fingerprint sensor on the side button
pattern
And on top of that Samsung ™ added a feature to remember your phone to be unlocked in the next 5 minutes by simply recognizing your face, so if you unlock your phone, put it back in your pocket and before 5 minutes you reach it back, Samsung ™ will automatically unlock it for you with facial recognition, how freaking cool is that huh?
Samsung ™ is definitely one of the best brands out there, if not the best
Samsung was supposed to defeat Apple, not join them. They are traitors to the order.
Samsung won imo. S23U is simply perfect.
>Turbo-autist virgin has to brag in every samsung thread that he spent two grand to store half a terabyte worth of hentai on his phone
>to store half a terabyte worth of hentai on his phone
I wish I was him ngl
You can use a mouse via USB to draw it if your screen is broken, that's how I did it when my Sony Z1 screen broke
Just step frame by frame though the video and you have his autistic code. Could do it in a minute if I wasn't on my phone right now, ironically. I feel like there is a bit more ambiguity with patterns, especially if you turn the trail off (as you should).
poggers
Thats pretty cool
I used to have that lock screen, a lot of custom ROMs had that available. I loved seeing people's reactions to it. I was sad when I got a phone with biometric unlock and had to switch to it because it's just so convenient
Anyone with physical access to the phone could easily siphon all of the data off of it.
I just use my waifu's name. Never had any problems.
Patricians choice
No.
only if you clean your screen often
Sure, if you don't pick an obvious pattern. Once I let my iPhone-using friend play with it on my phone since I thought it was pretty neat, and he immediately guessed my pattern. That was funny, but I prefer other lock types because of that.
It's just a pin, as long as you use more than 4 spots it should be pretty secure
For what you need it for, to keep your family out, it is more than effective.
It won't stop any sophisticated method from extracting data from your device.
you're right. devices like cellbrite exist to bypass most security locks on devices using known and unknown exploits and they're used by cops, airport customs officers (around the world) and anyone else that glows. if you insist on carrying around a phone, never keep anything sensitive on it that could land you in jail or compromise your security elsewhere.
I think celebrite works by hooking a computer to the phone. You can mitigate this by disabling accessory connections disable wired connections all of it. iPhone and Android should let you do this natively now. If you go through tsa pro tip wrap it around in a sandwich bag. Then wrap it around in tape. Pay attention to every seam. If a glownagger tsa agent hooks your phone to a cable to upload spyware you should be able to tell if they opened your taped bag.
Nope, worst kind of locking mechanism on phones
the only people i know that use patterns are room temperature IQ boomers and poorfags who can't afford an iPhone or Android with fingerprint scanner
>fingerprint scanner
This is the least secure option of all, since you can be physically forced to unlock it, or your unconscious body can be used.
> who can't afford an iPhone or Android with fingerprint scanner
many phones have them in current year and for less than $200
also: not fucking secure. maybe these boomers are onto something?
No, they're way too short and therefore easy to brute force. I use a 16 character randomly generated password. The inconvenience is minor and the peace of mind is worth it.
Sure
About 9! = 362880 options, about equivalent to a 5.5 digit pin number.
(Math not quite right)
I believe you can't do just one point. Also if you go from one corner (1,1) to the next (1,3) the points between these (1,2) will be marked. So the real amount of combinations will be lower. Also shoulder surfing (or just looking at the greasy stains on your phone) will be enough to figure it out.
Using a PIN with PIN scramble will be safer (as long as it isn't something like your birthday).
That's what I was talking about when I said that the math is isn't quite right, but it isn't even 9! because that only accounts for a a pattern using all of the dots.
It's more like 9! + 9!/1! + 9!/2! + ... + 9!/6! = 986328, from which we subtract all the impossible patterns which would skip a dot on a line, but I can't think of a nice expression for that.
Me neither, but my main concern is still how easy it is to attack. PIN + PIN Scramble can't be gotten by simple shoulder surfing (unless the attacker gets a really good look) or looking at fatty fingerprints.
Obviously a password (unless easily guessable) is still better.
It's really hard to quantify how effective PIN scramble would be, I can't really comment on that, only on how resistant both are to brute forcing.
I guess we can at least say that a 6 digit pin with pin scramble is definitely better than a pattern.
I've been using the same pattern lockcode for 10+ years around a group of friends that have actively tried to figure it out. My phone records log-in attempts in a log only accessible by
1. Getting the pattern
2. Finding the random log file in my file tree
3. Accessing the file with a passcode
So I know for a fact nobody has snuck into it and simply hidden it from me.
I've been belligerently drunk, on shrooms, rolling on MDMA, and smoked blunts all night with these people and we'd always get into each other's phones to take stupid pics or rearrange all the apps on somebody's screen.
Not once has anybody gotten into mine. There was a $250 pool that'd go to whoever could get into my phone. Money sat in the top of the closet of the house we'd usually hang out at, sat in a shoe box stuffed under a paper agreement I signed. After 3 years we ultimately took the money and bought some pizza, shrooms, and weed for the weekend.
Compared to generating a 16 word passcode based on the entropy of lava lamps I'd argue it's the most "normie" secure of anything. A passcode can be easily scoped out or slip out in convo "yeah 22892, its february 28 1992"
Or some dumb shit.
But you can never blurt out "bottom left, middle, bottom right, bottom middle, top right, middle left etc., etc.,"
Now that I think about it I actually gave them the first spot to the pattern and still nobody won that money.
I keep my phone in my front left pocket and my pockets always "clean" my smudges. The moment I take my phone out I do a "fake" pattern while turning the screen on to make new smudges separate from my actual pattern. Beyond hooking it up to a machine or infecting it there's no getting into it.
>Beyond hooking it up to a machine or infecting it there's no getting into it.
Or just seeing you input it. Like with this
turbo sperg.
No, just look at the smudges on the screen and you know the pattern.
greasy fingers nagger
All fingers make smudges, anon.
>All fingers make smudges
same when typing a pin or password.
just swipe a screen with your finger after unlocking so the smudge pattern won't be visible
First and only rule of mobile security: keep nothing sensitive on your mobile devices.
but i need my dickpicks easily accessible..
just assume they are public info, and you're good
Feds have a backdoor into every single device and piece of software out there. It doesn't matter what you do, they already have a way in.
meds
Are patterns considered free speech like passwords are in the USA?
>free speech
you mean compelled speech
I don't have a lock on my phone because fuck needing to waste time inputting some bullshit every time I turn the screen back on. It's always on my person anyway.
No they did a study on this and found it was easier for people to memorize a pattern they had seen once than a sequence of numbers or a password.
sounds interesting. I'd say it should be easier to remember a sequence, because you can repeat it in your head. are you referring to any particular study?
NTA, also without a study but here's my take as to why pattern locks are bad: As you see the victim do their combinations you can easily follow it with your finger (maybe even in your pocket). Due the memory being connected to a movement, you can easily remember it.
That's actually a normal way to remember things, think of listing off things and at the same time holding fingers up.
Lineage OS has some secure pattern locks. You could go up to 9 by 9 grids if I remember correctly.
Just use a password, your average crook will look at it and give up.
The reason swipes aren't as secure is because often smudge marks can indicate what it is if you didn't clean the screen right
fingerprint was my favorite but faceid sort of works
ios uses some kind of machine learning to figure out when it might be someone else and then it asks for the full password
works pretty good
face unlock is faster than password but slower than fingerprint
good luck with your lagdroids
*holds phone in front of your face*
*politely asks you for your password*
I invoke my fifth amendment right, which protects me from being compelled to incriminate myself, and remain silent.
Mr hammer says uwu hewwo to your pinky.
you can turn off faceid by holding down the power and volume button for a couple seconds
won't unlock by face again until the password is entered
If you have a Google Pixel with a Titan chip, yes.
Turn off your screen, turn phone so it reflects light and look at the smudges. What do you see?
Nothing because people still use their phones after unlocking, meaning the smudges you see are just general use.
Retard.
Imagine being so wrong and calling someone else a retard, retard. XD