Are Lithuanians the closest thing to the original Yamnayas (Aryans)?

Are Lithuanians the closest thing to the original Yamnayas (Aryans)?

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Russians, Finns or Caucasians.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Russians, Finns
      Yes
      >Caucasians
      No

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >no
        It really depends where they came from. If from Lower Don they probably had a lot of CHG, similar to Progress.

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Finns are finns
    Russians are mongo-finno-slavo monstrosities
    Caucasians maybe

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of Russians are actually cryot-Balts
    Balt lands used to reach to current day Moscow.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Many Russians have the sharp square jaws that are commonly associated with the Baltics.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        This

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Andrei Tarkovsky is a better example.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >sharp square jaw
          >pic shows big round double chins

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          This is an Eastern European phenomenon caused by lack of chewable meat during soviet times. Like in the west they either cope with macho image or turn to homosexuality, but they dont shoot up schools or anything like that. Nothing to do with genetics

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Come on, that's cope. My one is caused by too many beers and fatty food.

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Distance to: ukr104:ukr104
    0.09393443 Finnish_East
    0.09770908 Karelian
    0.09794095 Finnish_Southeast
    0.09848362 Ingrian
    0.09858894 Finnish_Central
    0.09993410 Russian_Pinezhsky
    0.10212645 Erzya
    0.10237076 Finnish_North
    0.10252074 Russian_Krasnoborsky
    0.10276203 Vepsian

    Sredni Stog sample. They are mixed, though.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      isn't this guy like 25% UKR_N

      No one can agree on what genetic profile of the original Proto-Indo-Europeans was but they probably had Y DNA haplogroup R1a.

      Considering we have 4200 BC Sredni Stog samples that look nearly identical Yamnaya, it would be surprising if that isn't what they looked like.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pre-Sredni Stog samples look different, so I think it's quite likely the Sredni Stog samples are already mixed.

        Target: UKR_Deriivka_C:ukr104__BC_3614__Cov_12.91%
        Distance: 0.0208% / 0.02079801 | R3P
        58.9 RUS_Progress_En:PG2004__BC_4138__Cov_75.37%
        28.0 UKR_N:I5890__BC_5142__Cov_25.19%
        13.1 SWE_TRB:Kvarlov5164__BC_3796__Cov_32.42%

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Stog is mixed relative to progress, it's unclear how diverse they (and Suvorovo) are. It sounds like some of the Suvorovo samples might lack the UKR_N and ANF (pic related) but they may just be purposely vague about it.

          The question then becomes what counts as PIE. My money would be that the progess-like ancestry from around the lower don is responsible. I don't know if that will be reflective of the uniparentals though (where R-M269 is from).

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Pre-Sredni Stog samples look different, so I think it's quite likely the Sredni Stog samples are already mixed.

            Target: UKR_Deriivka_C:ukr104__BC_3614__Cov_12.91%
            Distance: 0.0208% / 0.02079801 | R3P
            58.9 RUS_Progress_En:PG2004__BC_4138__Cov_75.37%
            28.0 UKR_N:I5890__BC_5142__Cov_25.19%
            13.1 SWE_TRB:Kvarlov5164__BC_3796__Cov_32.42%

            The Csongrad guy should have EEF mtDNA (the giurgiulesti burial 4 has it in previous slide) so I imagine the "Khvalynsk autosomal" profile isn't exactly precise.

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    No one can agree on what genetic profile of the original Proto-Indo-Europeans was but they probably had Y DNA haplogroup R1a.

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Distance to: RUS_Khvalynsk_En
    0.13877111 Russian_Leshukonsky
    0.14333089 Komi
    0.14390818 Russian_Pinezhsky
    0.14436198 Finnish_East
    0.14758280 Karelian
    0.14801521 Saami_Kola
    0.14849539 Russian_Pinega
    0.15009382 Vepsian
    0.15113055 Finnish_North
    0.15182173 Ingrian

    or

    Distance to: RUS_Progress_En
    0.12238285 Pamiri_Rushan
    0.12575874 Darginian
    0.12700644 Pamiri_Shugnan
    0.12716734 Akhvakh
    0.13130830 Kubachinian
    0.13250288 Andian_B
    0.13313810 Kaitag
    0.13364788 Avar
    0.13419399 Chamalin
    0.13436210 Pamiri_Badakhshan

    this

    CHG is fundamental for the formation of PIE. There's no way around it. The original PIE already had CHG ancestry, so the question is only how much.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Distance to: ukr104:ukr104
      0.09393443 Finnish_East
      0.09770908 Karelian
      0.09794095 Finnish_Southeast
      0.09848362 Ingrian
      0.09858894 Finnish_Central
      0.09993410 Russian_Pinezhsky
      0.10212645 Erzya
      0.10237076 Finnish_North
      0.10252074 Russian_Krasnoborsky
      0.10276203 Vepsian

      Sredni Stog sample. They are mixed, though.

      G25 is useless to measure yamnaya, it canot even properly measure CHG in europe comapred to Qpadm, finns are some lf the least steppe in northern europe.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lithuanians are the highest steppe tho. 55%

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          How similar is Lithuanian paganism to Vedic religion?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I dont think we have much records about baltic paganism in general

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          This one has a worse P value than

          [...]
          G25 is useless to measure yamnaya, it canot even properly measure CHG in europe comapred to Qpadm, finns are some lf the least steppe in northern europe.

          But yes finns have low CHG compared to the rest of northern europe. And like 10% chink.
          The lithuanian modeled with yamnaya has very good P value though.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's because of their EHG ancestry. If you add EHG then G25 will show lower Yamnaya ancestry. But Yamnaya was mostly EHG in the first place so Finns are still closer to them than others.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, G25 has problems with CHG distal positioning because the highest CHG populations are deeply drifted. So CHG has a skewed assigned coordinates within G25 dimensions.
          QPadm, which is an actual Professional tool not limited like g25 can accurately give yamnaya ancestry even when EHG is added to the model

          Lithuanians are the highest steppe tho. 55%

          Finns dont have aditional EHG, is Nganassan-like

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The R1a Lithuanians yes. The N Lithuanians no.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's no difference between them though
      Except that the R1as got cucked by the N1 at some point

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    no

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    baltoid slaves resemble the kind of inferior eef-whgroid creaturas raped and destroyed by indo european BVLLS

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, those would be iberians and sardinian pygmies.
      Baltics resemble EHG and even central asians more than farmoids

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >white person with beard exists
    LEEEE HECKING YAMNAYA ANCIENT PEOPLE TOTALLY LIKE MY EPIC CARTOONS

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