Apple's $9 USB to 3.5mm dongle outperforms DACs worth thousands

Apple's USB to 3.5mm dongle
Costs $9
Outperforms the vast majority of "audiophile" DACs and sound cards
Even ones that cost thousands of dollars

How?

  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I use this for my speakers, better than my shitty mobo for sure.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    100db SINAD

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This may be hard to believe but some of us aren't sound engineers. What am I looking at?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        In layman's terms: if you were to listen to something at 100db (very loud), the noise floor on this dongle is -100db below that so 0db i.e. inaudible.

        The theoretical limit of human hearing is -115db but that's never gonna happen, practically it's around 85db in ideal conditions and 80db with music playing.

        Basically the $9 Apple dongle is beyond the practical limits of human hearing.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      How does it compare to the built-in audio output for Macs?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Most motherboards are in the 75-80db mark I think

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe budget boards from 15 years ago

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Nah
            They fucking gimp audio if you dare ask for a fair priced board nowadays
            MSI Z490-a pro has more problematic audio than some cheap crystal audio codac from 20 years ago

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It is indeed very good. The only problem is that it's a bit fragile.

        Macs and iPhones have very good onboard audio usually, so I'd expect it to be about the same.

        Is this anon right? Can no one blow him the fuck out? Are you all liars trying to trick me into wasting $9?

        No, he's a retard. The frequency response is fine. Just look at the measurements.

        >Outperforms most audiophile DACs.
        Are you an idiot?

        It doesn't outperform them in measurements maybe, but it's just as good in practice. Beyond a certain point there is no difference between sound cards, except if you have demanding headphones that need lots of power.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >It doesn't outperform them in measurements
          So it's worse? You're comparing a Civic to a Ferrari. They work the same in principle but they are vastly different and serve very different markets. The only difference is audiophile gear is usually overbuilt and more reliable unlike a Ferrari.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >So it's worse?
            If it sounds the same to human ears, is it worse?

            >You're comparing a Civic to a Ferrari ...
            Get your head out of your ass, man. I'm sorry that you fell for memes and wasted money for no reason, but we're all anonymous here bro, no need to cope so hard.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I should have clarified. I'm not an audiophile nor do I own any audio equipment beyond some cheap ($35) Samson headphones. I think audiophile stuff is just as stupid as a Ferrari and suffers from extreme diminishing returns.

              All that being said I have tried both an entry level DAC (~$60) and the headphone dongle. I can attest there is a difference in the experience. A dedicated DAC is considerably more clear and makes a pretty big difference in sound quality.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      These THD levels are crazy low.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    1 - it probably doesn't
    2 - its not a dac, its a simple adapter since usb-c support analog audio i/o, so the dac itself is on the iphones/ipads

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Apple's dongle is an actual DAC

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.cabledo.com/apple-usb-c-digital-to-3-5-mm-headphone-adapter-teardown/
      The CS46L06 isn't publicly documented, but if it looks like a DAC, quacks like a DAC and has a product number similar to Cirrus' other DACs...

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I stand corrected then

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, you sure AF have been corrected homosexual

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      If you're so much of a hopeless poorfag you can't afford even a measly Topping D10S I don't know what to tell you anon.

      It does outperform the vast majority of them but that's just like everything: the vast majority of products on the market are absolute garbage with lots of marketing over it. This guy doesn't really own anyone on LULZ anyway.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The Topping doesn't sound any better, so why the fuck would you pay an extra $100 for it?
        >I don't know what to tell you anon.
        Exactly, you don't.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It factually does though.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Show me a factual blind listening test or fuck off.

            And I just noticed that it doesn't even have a headphone out.
            >sounds the same
            >no headphone output
            >costs $100 more
            Audiophiles are the biggest retards ever lmao

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              You won't find any for your dongle either. Why should I bother with the dongle at all then ? Surely the chang ching garbo I can buy for a dollar is just the same in use since they don't have any ABX tests to back them up.
              Also it's headphone output is just serviceable and performance tanks hard with even slightly higher impedance headphones.
              The apple dongle is also incapable of outputting a proper line level signal and is therefore complete shit if you want to plug it into anything else.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      it has to be a DAC, running 3.5mm audio through USB C pins like most android manufacturers is outside of the standard

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >running 3.5mm audio through USB C pins like most android manufacturers is outside of the standard
        that would imply that there is any standard at all with ubs-c

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >running 3.5mm audio through USB C pins like most android manufacturers is outside of the standard
        analog audio passthrough is in the USB-C standard, see page 309 here:
        https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/USB%20Type-C%20Spec%20R2.0%20-%20August%202019.pdf

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >since usb-c support analog audio i/o
      But can you name a device that uses that?

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Friendly reminder: The EU version has a different design and far worse characteristics. It has only 0.5Vrms of maximum output compared to the 1.5 of the US version because of some retarded French law that they try to comply with for the entire Euro region. Chinks are even selling fakes with the US serial no.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >honhon l'itoddlers btfo

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you're able to bypass this by using certain apps that take direct control of the dac chip and you can put the volume quite a bit higher
      however it won't if the app doesn't have direct dac control support (most streaming services)

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's still a different design with worse characteristics overall. Really not worth the money

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >you're able to bypass this by using certain apps that take direct control of the dac chip and you can put the volume quite a bit higher

        Source?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          i can't find it now, but apps like UAPP allow for direct DAC control and allow you to get the volume quite high

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Absolute dogshit bass response.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Is this anon right? Can no one blow him the fuck out? Are you all liars trying to trick me into wasting $9?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If you want naggerbass then you dont want a flat curve anyway

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Morons just look at spec sheets
        Spec sheets completely account for real-world performance.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Outperforms
    >barely 3Vpp
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This crap is a subscription service if you actually use it

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    So what's the penalty for using this as a DAC only with an external amp?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      None. I have an EU spec one and it drives my 250 ohm DT880s to an acceptable volume. It's better than my Fiio E10 as it doesn't have the stupid delay and pop after a period of silence.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >USB-C dongles
    >pushing lightning on iPhones
    They just want to sell 2 dongles for everything, srsly

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Signal to noise ratio has not been relevant for decades.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Outperforms most audiophile DACs.
    Are you an idiot?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      0.9 ohms output and the sinad posted above

      audiophile dacs are around 10-1.x
      even the lauded creative cards has about 100 ohms output (higher = worse, less bass accuracy)
      also most gamer motherboards that came with alc1220 dac are kinda very very poorly implemented

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Let me guess, you "need" more

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Let me guess, you "need" more

      https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/high-end-pc-audio,3733-19.html

      >Using world-class headphones, a $2 Realtek integrated audio codec could not be reliably distinguished from the $2000 Benchmark DAC2 HGC in a four-device round-up. Again, all four devices sounded great.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Snibeti snab x--D

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yes I need some real ADCs

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >some real ADCs
          REALtek got you covered, m80.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I tried that and got unusable garbage. Sounded like 22Khz stuff
            Recording the same source with a proper sound card produced expected quality so the issue was with the realkek ADC

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Dunno what to say, works fine for me. I even measured it and got great results, better than my cheap USB sound card in fact. But it's a new expensive mobo.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              your mobo maker has cheap implementation that is introducing noise. don't blame crab.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >use shitty speakers
        >everything sounds the same
        proves nothing

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-sound-blasterx-g6.7016/page-2
      it's shit

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's very common to focus on the dac chip itself and not the rest of the circuitry in the device. Stable power supply and avoiding noise are more important. These are responsible for the variations in quality between motherboards with the same realtek dac. The $2 chip was never the problem. Its actually great. Many audiophile companies focus on marketing rather than engineering. Reminds me of old Schitt being loved by audiophiles despite breaking headphones and measuring far worse than 2006 macbooks. I am glad the new dongle is so cheap. Audio is long solved and quality should cost no more than 10 dollars.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Don't most realkek chips use external DACs?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        the realtek chip is the dac, I think you mean external amps, and yes.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Simplest design.
    Anything more complex/elaborated is just snake oil and actually hampers audio quality.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I use mine with a Pixel

    I used a cable sheath and a tie to try and reinforce it and make it last longer

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That's kinda autistic, but also reasonable.

      How is the volume on the Pixel? On my Android phone it's much quieter than in Windows. I have the US version.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I did it because the cable is so thin, probably would have been ok with just the sheath

        The minimum volume is fine on mine it can go quite low to barely audible

        I'm using an EU Pixel 4 Xl with GrapheneOS

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      just buy a dongle dac without terrible apple build quality. the apple one is good but there are plenty that as just as good or better with cables that don't instantly break.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    because audiophile shit is even more of a scam than apple products

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This is what I use, best 30$ I've spent. The model is Tempotec Sonata HD Pro (CS43131 dac).

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Here's some benchmarks if anyone's curious.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >comes with high-res audio sticker you can put on anything

      SOLD!

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ok

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >being forced to consoom a core feature that most phones have nowadays for just $10
    >bragging about how outperforms muh audiphile headphones
    nos surprises here

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >that most phones have nowadays
      haven't pretty much all flagships ditched 3.5mm?

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Loudness is shot on Android unless you have a music player with hardware volume like UAPP or HibyMusic

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    MUH APPUL

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    (retard question alert)
    when used on a windows 10 machine, will it support the mic of its attached heaphones as well?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      yes but you will need a breakout cable since most motherboard don't have combo jacks. you need a cable that breaks a headset cable into audio and mic, then feed the mic into the mic in port and hope the power delivery is enough. you can test/set gain and stuff in realtek settings. as an audio device it will be realtek mic in.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >his sound card does not contain dedicated RAM

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