Anything that comes close in destruction to the mongol conquests?

Anything that comes close in destruction to the mongol conquests?

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    thirty years war, killed 5-8 million people total

    At least the mongols actually built up the silk road significantly, brought gunpowder, paper, and compasses to europe, and so on

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >At least the mongols actually built up the silk road significantly, brought gunpowder, paper, and compasses to europe, and so on
      Jack Weatherford is a cancer.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Don't care who that is. I'm just someone who genuinely enjoys history and has been reading on Mongols for years now
        Archeology, old documents, and more speaks for itself

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >I'm just someone who genuinely enjoys history and has been reading on Mongols for years now
          >Archeology, old documents, and more speaks for itself
          yeah massive destruction. You steppenagger simps just love to attribute tons of bullshit to them. The Silk Road always existed long before the mongols. The reason it "declined" was because the Song focused on maritime trade and was one of the nexuses of world trade. So any praise for "expanding" the silk road is laughable. Even more laughable since the united mongol empire existed for a few decades before the various khanates constantly started warring with each other leading more khanates breaking off.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Timur built some great stuff in Samarkand and Afghanistan though. Imagine what he could have done had he lived a bit longer and conquered Ming China.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Timur built some great stuff in Samarkand and Afghanistan though. Imagine what he could have done had he lived a bit longer and conquered Ming China.
              Yeah he ravaged tons of places and took all the captured craftsmen and artisans to Samarkand. Wow what a truly great accomplishment

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Ravaging farmoids was the way of the steppe. Timur was just doing what his ancestors did.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah but said he built "great" things

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Because he did. You just have a problem with how he did it.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Destroying other shit and taking captured craftsmen to build shit isn't great. He literally left Most of the Middle East and Central Asia in ruins but I'm supposed to be impressed he build some mosques in Samarkand. It's not like greatness continued. He did not do anything to build native industries so it was only a short era of building works.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                The Khans themselves were patrons of mathematics, physics, and astronomy you historically illiterate homosexual. They were known to be amazing siege engineers with advanced understandings of physics, which allowed them to easily take on fortified cities in China and the middle east. Imagine thinking that the Silk road was even close to its zenith before the mongols lol
                Fucking monkey kys and stop posting here with your poltard reddit contrarian horseshit

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >The Khans themselves were patrons of mathematics, physics, and astronomy
                So? You're acting like the previous empires weren't patrons of these things as well which is blatantly false. it's funny how barbarian simps treat something literally every state/empire did as something impressive. An unconscious admission of their pet group being subhuman
                >known to be amazing siege engineers with advanced understandings of physics, which allowed them to easily take on fortified cities in China and the middle east.
                Mongols used Chinese siege engineers that they obtained from attacking and toppling the weak Jin empire
                >Imagine thinking that the Silk road was even close to its zenith before the mongols
                The Silk Road had two peaks during the Han era and Tang eras. The Song lost Northern China and focused their attention on maritime trade which were far more lucrative than the overland trade routes that comprised the silk road. Trade rerouted itself around the change in Song China. It was far greater than the old silk road. The Mongols ruined this. The brief period in which the overland trade routes became the most relevant was a result of needing to move the Mongol armies across long distances and like I mentioned it barely lasted three decades because after that the various Khanates became enemies.
                >reddit
                retard. Reddit loves the Mongols.
                >contrarian
                this is the state of Mongol history in both academic circles and pop history. To "correct" the narrative of Mongols. I'm not the contrarian here.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Destroying other shit and taking captured craftsmen to build shit isn't great
                No, it's fucking epic. He destroyed his enemies, ravaged their lands, and took their skilled craftsmen with him. It's like a triple victory from the steppe point of view.
                Moreover, the man had lofty ambitions. He wasn't thinking about a lasting dynasty as much as he was thinking about the next campaign. And there was always a next campaign because that was life.
                He did look after his own very well though, and he did sponsor high culture everywhere, not just in architecture. Religion, science, education, literature, painting, sculpting etc all benefitted from Timur.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Religion, science, education, literature, painting, sculpting etc all benefitted from Timur.
                none of this is true. To actually improve on these aspects he would have needed to increase his native Transoxiana's industry. All he did was destroy other people's industries and take the remnants back to Samarkand which resulted in fleeting glory.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >none of this is true because Timur didn't single handedly invent the steam engine and build railroads across the steppe
                (you)
                He was a nomad warlord in late 14th century. If industry wasn't making his horses go faster or his bows shoot farther, what use did he have for it? Trade? Just go out there and take it. Feeding the people? That's what hunting, animal husbandry and agriculture are for.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >He was a nomad warlord in late 14th century. If industry wasn't making his horses go faster or his bows shoot farther, what use did he have for it? Trade? Just go out there and take it. Feeding the people? That's what hunting, animal husbandry and agriculture are for.
                Transoxiana used to be a settled society. It was constant steppenagger chimpouts that led to its decline

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                establishing your own native industries means being able to produce things consistently and constantly. The Timurids were reliant on captured prisoners and loot for their so called "renaissance". There's a reason why the Timurids rapidly declined in all areas at a rapid pace and didn't produce anything that lasted

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >No, it's fucking epic
                >t. Paradoxfag

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                More into Total War but whatever you say champ.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    World war 2, world war 1, the great leap forward, and diversity come to mind.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The Deluge actually killed more of the country it affected than the country's same proportion in World War II, but no one cares because it only happened to Poland. Also, the Swedes looted more than the Nazis did and refuse to apologize or return anything they stole to this day. This is the official Swedish response to a request for the Łaski Statute, which is the first codification of Polish law, the first illustrated printing in Poland, protected by UNESCO, and remained in place in Poland from 1505 all the way to the end of the country in 1795, to be returned to Poland as a goodwill gesture for Poland welcoming Sweden into NATO.
    https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-foreign-minister-ann-linde-dismiss-spoils-war-poland/
    >In a written response, she [Sweden’s Foreign Minister] said there is a wide “restrictive international practice regarding spoils of war” and “spoils of war from the 17th century are legitimate conquests according to the international law of the time.”

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Continued, the quote from that article in context:
      https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/skriftlig-fraga/aterlamnande-av-askis-stadgar-till-polen_H9111800
      >En restriktiv inställning till återlämning av krigsbyten är inte unik för Sverige; en restriktiv internationell praxis kring krigsbyten som erövrats i historisk tid delas av flertalet stater. Krigsbyten från 1600-talet är rättmätiga erövringar enligt dåtida folkrätt.
      >A restrictive attitude to the return of spoils of war is not unique to Sweden; a restrictive international practice regarding spoils of war that was conquered in historical times is shared by the majority of states. Spoils of war from the 17th century are legitimate conquests according to the international law of the time.
      >Det har från polskt håll tidigare [...] i Sveriges Radio förra året (den 23 juni 2021).
      >There have previously been demands from the Polish side that Sweden should return looted cultural-historical objects from the 17th-century wars of conquest. However, Sweden has a restrictive attitude towards returned spoils of war from the great power era. Spoils of war are generally not returned. The answer from the Swedish Antiquities Authority last year means that it is not possible to make legal demands on the law of that time. "What is in Swedish museums belongs to Swedish museums and Swedish citizens. It's that simple," said Knut Weibull, senior antiquarian at the National Antiquities Office, on Sveriges Radio last year (June 23, 2021).

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe they could arrange a trade of artifacts or something rather than just one-sided demands. Just a thought.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You know very well Poland doesn't have anything it can trade. Most everything ever plundered by Poland (of which very little survived) was already taken away when the country disappeared from the map twice, and when it was occupied by Russia another 50 years. The only thing they can trade are other Polish historical artifacts. Besides, this isn't rocket science. This artifact doesn't mean anything to Sweden, but it means a lot to Poland. Returning this to Poland is just plain the right thing to do.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            As much as one can make such arguments, there are a million more just like it that are being made (or could be made) every day. Do we give in to all of them, or what? Maybe I agree with you on this particular case, so what though, that is beside the point. I can see why their government argues the way they do, because otherwise, we just have to give in to every one-sided demand of a similar type everyone makes at any time. That's why "reparations" doesn't make sense, either. The responsible parties are long gone. I could just as easily spend time arguing that entity X "owes" me XYZ for whatever cultural reason, over something that happened centuries ago which neither of us were immediately involved in which it inherited. If they don't agree with my reasoning that they should give me something, that's tough but understandable. Others would probably make similar demands of me, for seemingly weird reasons. Wokists, for example, often demand "reparations" (whatever that means). It's just nonsense, but if you actually want to give audience to such demands then feel free.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Giving back the literal fucking first Polish code of law to Poland doesn't mean reparations are supported now you utter retard. That's like arguing we can't return a kidnapped child to its mother because it be a slippery slope to Italy reclaiming the Roman empire.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Kek. Viking Chads cucked Poorland out of its own historical artifacts. That's pretty based, almost as much as Anglos pillaging Greece and Frogs ransacking Egypt.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Kys Swedeshit.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Not even Swedish, it just makes me laugh when poor butthurt nations seethe at more civilized ones over muh stolen archaeology. As long as the artifacts are properly stored and labelled, let them stay where they are.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >archaeology
                this isn't archeology though. It's loot from sacked cities and castles

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Just semantics. I understand what it is, but Sweden has no obligation to return it. As long as they allow the Polish public and scholars free access to the artifacts their ancestors looted 300 years ago, everything is fine. If I were the Swedish authorities, I would also be ok with periodic exhibitions of said artifacts in Poland, especially during national holidays. I think that would be a better solution that pleases both sides

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah Poles shouldn't be pissed off over things like their first law code. It's not like America would be pissed if someone stole the original constitution. Oh wait

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                If America loses a war to Sweden then I'm ok with it. Vae victis.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Swedes are cunts

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Makes Ch*nese seethe
    >Makes R*ssians seethe
    >Makes P*rsians seethe
    >Makes Indi*ns seethe
    >Makes Ar*bs seethe
    Are these not accomplishments?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      That's a pretty good record for a handful of barbaric steppe nomads

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        I remember reading their entire armed force was like 100-120k soldiers. They were really good at achieving local supremacy though, because they moved so fast on march and on the battlefield.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Indians don't care about them because they never went to India although the Mongols were Buddhists.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Makes Ch*nese seethe
      Even though most Mongolians in the world today are Chinese.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Chinkoid nationalists still seethe at the humiliation. Not to mention that Temujin was strongly considering exterminating the entire north (they hadn't conquered Song yet, that had to wait for Kublai).

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Indo-european conquests

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Diadochi wars

  7. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically doesn't sound that bad. It seem to be a natural thing that people abandon their homes when some new violent group moves in. Many of them die too.
    Doesn't sound much worse than this.

    >Between about 4200 and 3900 BCE more than six hundred tell settlements of the Gumelniţa, Karanovo VI, and Varna cultures were burned and abandoned in the lower Danube valley and eastern Bulgaria. Some of their residents dispersed temporarily into smaller villages like the Gumelniţa B1 hamlet of Jilava, southwest of Bucharest, with just five to six houses and a single-level cultural deposit. But Jilava was burned, apparently suddenly, leaving behind whole pots and many other artifacts.6 People scattered and became much more mobile, depending for their food on herds of sheep and cattle rather than fixed fields of grain.
    This is related to the first migration from the steppes to South Europe.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Unironically doesn't sound that bad
      Don't know what you're smoking

  8. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Anything that comes close in destruction to the mongol conquests?
    Russian invasion of Ukraine

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous
      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous
        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous
          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Anything that comes close in destruction to the mongol conquests?
            Russian invasion of Ukraine

            you have /int/ and /misc/ for this

  9. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Final Roman-sassanid war

Your email address will not be published.