Anyone else notice that most adult virgin males put next to no effort into trying to actually date and have sex?
Anyone else notice that most adult virgin males put next to no effort into trying to actually date and have sex?
Anyone else notice that most adult virgin males put next to no effort into trying to actually date and have sex?
>Anyone else notice that most adult virgin males put next to no effort into trying to actually date and have sex?
Yep. The girl that they used to creepily stare at in chemistry class didn't walk over and start sucking their dick, and it's "muh society treated me like shit bloo bloo bloo".
yeah actually you're 100% right, they just don't try lmfao
took a shot at a girl once and we've been dating for like 3 years
>took a shot at a girl once and we've been dating for like 3 years
Crazy how simple it can be. There have been multiple times where girls showed interest in me but I always thought myself out of trying. I think I missed out on at least 3 gfs by now, but I'm mind fucked by lack of confidence.
i was the exact same bro, it was nothing but a confidence issue
Maybe. Im married to a beautiful trad girl and am expecting my first child soon. Im successful in my career and make 6 figures, and dont have any problem attracting women as an adult, but I still carry resentment over being rejected by girls I liked in high school.
If you have to try, it's over. Chad never had to put in effort into anything and seek all rewards
LITERALLY happens to sexually active men, aka. good looking ones.
anyone else notice if you read OPs post in your head with a funny tranny voice it makes more sense?
hahahaha yeah. i just imagined the voice of the 'trans rights are human ri- ACK" video with the ragdoll tranny and it made a lot of sense.
And the ones who do put effort but fail? Kinda blows your question out of the water.
>And the ones who do put effort but fail?
All 5 of them? I've lurked tons of virgin threads and you rarely will see guys mention they made an honest to god effort to get a gf.
>lurking LULZ threads
>meaning a combined total of 5,000 unique individuals
Anon...
What's funnier is almost all """incels""" and guys complaining about being lonely have put in next to no effort into dating/sex. It's also funnier that a huge portion of them have gotten attention from women before in one way or another but then still pretend they're massive victims
Except the """incels""" that have tried got rejected once or twice by stacy's before they turned 18.
so how long have you been practicing your tranny voice? bet you still dont pass lol
>It's also funnier that a huge portion of them have gotten attention from women before in one way or another but then still pretend they're massive victims
Yes. Very few of them have any stories of really biting down and going at trying to get laid, but they'll have stories of girls giving them hints and whatever and fumbling the bag.
I mean dating is a struggle but most of these guy don't even try to see where they stand in the world.
It's even more retarded since if random women are giving you hints or are directly risking rejection with you then you're well within the attractiveness range to succeed on dating apps.
I am, though. I was born male and I identify as a man.
Nope, you're nowhere even close to an incel, lol. You can easily find a gf online but you're either trolling or you're just very lazy. Even if you're depressed, anxious, cut yourself daily, etc. you can still easily find a gf.
>only nonvirgin women exist
Nice meme.
Im still a virgin at 26 so yes i am a incel.
Mentalcels=incels.
And you can try to fix whatever problem with your face is.
Plastic surgery exists just get a new face.
My problems cant be solved by just going to a brain surgeon and giving him money to fix my brain unlike yours.
I don't have the money that it takes to afford plastic surgery.
What exactly are your problems?
>I don't have the money that it takes to afford plastic surgery.
Then go get a job
>What exactly are your problems?
I am too shy to ask a girl out and also i lose intrest when a girl asks me out.
I have been talking to a girl at my job and thought she was kinda cute and was trying to work out the courage to ask her out and then she asked me out first and i lost all intrest and actually started to feel disgust towards her i left my job and went to work in a diffrent store,blocked her and changed names just to be sure she doesnt find me.
Idk im weird like that haha.
You could almost certainly find therapy for those issues. You aren't even trying and therefore not an incel.
I have been going to therapy for months and it did nohing so far.
I cannot have sex due to my mentall illness therefore i am an incel.
You can be a incel due to both mental and physical issues as long as you cant lose your virginity by 25 you become a incel.
>I have been going to therapy for months and it did nohing so far.
For the fact that you can't date women?
For my self harm but i also mentioned this too and honestly she hasnt helped me with either.
You are attractive enough to attract girls.
You cannot be an incel.
YOU WILL NEVER BE AN INCEL!
mentalcelism is the true divine penance, no matter if you're good looking, have head full of hair, tall, big dick, rich
you're absolutely caped by your own bugged smoothbrain
I agree. A lot of it is mental. Knowing that most girls are gonna reject you when you already have had no success with them, and you know you lack in areas like face/height/money, and your social skills are not calibrated for dealing with women.
I'm a virgin who never tries, but its because whenever I like a girl my mind defaults to thinking failure is 99.9% guaranteed.
Why don't you SEAmaxx? Why don't you improve your social skills? How do you know you'd always be rejected?
Maybe not on the street or at Walmart but there's plenty of places you can talk to women without it being considered harassment.
He's obviously trolling. Nobody actually thinks 25+ yo virgin => incel.
>plenty of places you can talk to women who are strangers without it being considered harassment
name one lol
The girls bathroom at your local highschool.
Just dress up in a janitor uniform to sneak in and then change to a suit in one of the stalls and start asking single moms who are visiting their daughter at school out when they go to pee.
Ya I second this actually name examples. You can't because randomly meeting strangers is a meme in this society.
>Why don't you SEAmaxx?
I'm black and too broke to move
>Why don't you improve your social skills?
I have but not for girls
>How do you know you'd always be rejected?
You never really know, but generally speaking the odds are always against average dudes. Even the most optimistic dating coaches admit cold approach will fail 90$+ of the time.
>whenever I like a girl my mind defaults to thinking failure is 99.9% guaranteed.
Yeah that's from hanging around here all the time listening to the doomsayers and bitches making up excuses. And now you've gone and taken it seriously, absorbed it into your psyche. This place is a real swamp. Realise none of these people know what they're talking about, The Great Cope Plague is now in it's 99th year, or however long.
Forget all of it. If somebody finds you attractive that's their choice, not yours. Whatever's wrong with your hideous face, she obviously hasn't noticed or doesn't care. So just be yourself (with the caveat, don't be a total sperg, try to be a socially acceptable version of yourself that isn't going to scare her or put her off). Whatever about you she likes, it's apparently coming out and showing, so keep up the good work.
Honestly, it's not for you to decide how attractive you are. It's for other people to decide what they like about you. Their business!
>only nonvirgin women exist
You should round down to zero and not bother with incredibly unlikely things. The powerball lottery jackpot is at 190 million dollars, have you bought your tickets? Me neither.
Here we are at the gaslighting of the day!
>Mentalcels dont exist
Eat shit fucking asshole sick of fucking lying scums like you that pretend theres always hope for their own selfish interest that the destitute doesnt freak the fuck out
>picrel
funny because in people will yell "see! even someone who looks like this can get laid!!!" but if that guy couldn't find romantic success the first thing people will say to him is "lose weight fatty".
Completely true. I myself am a virgin and a doomsayer/poster. I've had women approach me before twice before but each time i declined consciously knowing that im fucking myself over.
I just have no actual desire to be with a girl if i'm still ugly. I've been taking steps to fix it such as skincare, diet and exercise but i absolutely do refuse to engage the ladies while i'm still ugly, it will bring no one anything good.
It is sad that i couldnt have reciprocated the last lady who asked me out. She was extremely cool, sweet and pretty but alas. Maybe one day
>I'm a normalfag on ezmode and pretend to be a victim
You and half this board, buddy, lol.
You're trolling, got it.
>>I'm a normalfag on ezmode and pretend to be a victim
Not a normalfag by any means. I rarely interact with people and am weird in general. I was supposed to get diagnosis for asperger but my mom gaslighted the shrink.
I'm weird but i couldve had a gf if i took the opportunity when it appeared or made myself a bit more proactive which i still refuse to do unless i manage to become good looking.
The thought of an ugly me having sex with a girl fills me with shame and disgust, could not do it in the current state of things
Of course you're a normalfag. You can pitifully easily get a gf, you don't experience loneliness, etc. Nothing you said was relevant.
It's not for you to decide how attractive or unattractive you are. That's for everyone else to make up their personal opinion about. Make the best of what you have, then you've done your best and all you can.
>It's also funnier that a huge portion of them have gotten attention from women before in one way or another but then still pretend
I was literally homeschooled you ttranny faggpt.
I only had one girl approach me in my entire life but she wasn't my type
if they are ugly as fuck why should they bother? seems like completely wasted effort.
Dating can be a horrific struggle but I think every man owes it to himself to at least spend a year trying so you'll know if you are truly hopelessly unattractive or just lazy, passive and lacking confidence.
it can be scientifically studied if you are ugly or not, it is not subjective at all
Yeah, that makes sense right? It's not a priority
If a dog barks and brings it's bowl to it's owner's feet everyday and the owner refuses to fill the bowl eventually the dog will learn not to beg for food.
I have never asked any woman out and even rejected a few women asking me out but i still consider myself a incel.
Ayy, you're the normalhomosexual I was talking about here
. You guys are super common but are still ultra-pathetic.
I'm a cis man, lol.
no, you are not a "cis man"
No, im not a normie im actually a mentalcel.
Being a incel due to mental illness is valid and mentalcels are real incels even if they look good enought that they could get a gf if they were sane they arent sane so they are still incels.
>mentalcels are real incels even if they look good enought that they could get a gf if they were sane they arent sane so they are still incels.
Nope.
You can try to fix whatever mental illness or social retardation you suffer from.
Even Aufism? ADHD? SCHIZOID???
Definitely autism/ADHD. Schizophrenia is easily possible if he looks good enough but it's far worse than those other ones and is far more rare.
Not every single girl you can go for but it's easily possible to find them there.
>ADHD and ASD are fixable
>Mistakes Schizoid with Schizophrenia
>You still need money to "fix" that
Okay now I see that you don't know what you are talking about or are deliberately baiting
>responding to a autistic anime homosexual, preaching on a pedophile website
>On a FBI+Mossad grooming honeypot
>I'm a cis man
>cis
nah, he figured you out. only trannies use that word.
I gave it 10 rejections. Some people are not meant to have relationships.
I can respect that. That's just enough rejection to destroy your confidence and send you into a downward spiral.
As far as I can tell women are less than 20% of the population. I've only met a handful after finishing university. Where are they hiding?
the main thing i notice about incels is that they are very selfish and usually hateful. they hate women, usually hate other races, hate normies
they never lift a finger to help anyone, never share anyhting they have, incapable of empathising with others who are not like them
nobody wants to be around people like that. choose love, put love out in to the world and you might get some back.
>choose love, put love out in to the world and you might get some back
>they never lift a finger to help anyone
Now they're even smugly bragging about it.
Literally me.
I work 8 hours, start 9-5. Have to get up even before 8 in the morning, shower, breakfast, travel. Then travel back at rush hour at 5 PM, maybe do some shopping on the way. Get home at 6-6:30 PM, make food (I normally cook huge pot and then just reheat it, lasts me 3-4 days), go for a run in the park for 40 mins, shower and eat. It's now 7:30 PM, I still need to do shit like study and work on few side projects browse LULZ, by the time I am done it's like 10 PM, go to bed and repeat. And people ask me why am I single, why no gf, no wife, no kids.
sounds like you need some tactical soap
What is that??
536
I never tried, not even once. I have avoided women my entire life, and not just in a sexual or romantic sense. The only difference is I'm not crying about "tfw no gf" all day like you retards
Love doesn't exist. Everything is about looks. No point in trying just to put your dick in some hole that 10 other men have been in.
What's the point?
How much "effort" do normalfags usually put into dating and sex?
If you want to say you don't want to try to get something that normally comes easy, that's fine, but you can't pretend that makes you lonely.
>I'm a virgin therefore incel
I guess all female virgins are trucels too.
Yes women can be incels.
If you are a virgin above the age of 25 you are an incel regardless if its because of physical or mental reason you are still a real incel.
Wait, why? What reason are you using?
>you didn't harass enough women!
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
You don't have to harass women to get a gf, dough.
That's true maybe if you deserve to be in a straight jacket, but 99.9% of "mentalcels" are LARPing.
How many rejections in your life? How many in the past month? I'm guessing <10 and 0.
>You don't have to harass women to get a gf, dough.
If she's ___, she doesn't want to be bothered right now. Any place, any situation, no one ever "wants to be bothered". Everyone else wants to see a free show, though.
>how many rejections
i stopped counting around about 20. you know, it's still a rejection if she makes it abundantly clear she doesn't want to go out with you long before you actually ask
How many in the past month? Have you looked into SEAmaxxing?
Even if virgins are super rare there are still girls with relatively low bodycounts that are statistically not very rare.
Bars and clubs.
You don't need to move, and SEAmaxxing can work for black people.
Why not improve socially for girls? And also cold approach is the least likely strat to work, but that's why you do it countless times.
If you're not a virgin then how are you a volcel? Once you have sex you can't be a *cel unless maybe it was only escorts.
>Bars and clubs.
oops she's trying to have fun with her friends
try again
The stall in the public bathroom.
When she enters to pee you ambush her and tell her "SEX OR NO TOILET!" and then she has to take your virginity or pee herself.
Its that easy.
Incels dont even try.
>Incels dont even try.
Bold that next time; autists might not know it was a joke.
>Bars and clubs
"sorry, i'm just waiting for my friend" x1000
That's an excuse to soft-reject you. That doesn't mean it's not socially acceptable to approach her, though.
"mentalcels" i.e. "uhh yeah I constantly reject stacy's but like I got anxious yknow?? I'm just like you guys xd". You can easily be depressed, anxious, have ADHD, autism, and get a loving gf if you look decent facially.
Gay strawman
....i don't know quite how socially retarded you think i am, but i am fully capable of recognizing that special death glare which in polite company means "you have done something socially unacceptable"
Again more lies, some people have no hope, NONE OF IT, SOME PEOPLE WILL FUCKING DIE ALONE AND YOURE LYING TURD SPITTER JUST ACT THIS DOESNT EXIST, GOTTA SELL SOME HOPE GOD FORBID THE DESTITUTE BREAK A FUSE WE MUST LIE LIE LIE, FUCK YOU POS
I dated and fucked two girls. So I guess I'm a guy that hasn't tried to date or get laid since because I have not come across a girl I'm actually interested in since 28 not a volcel then. I was considering it in the sense that I'm voluntary and currently celibate. I have had many fat, ugly, old, mental ill women try to talk to me which is why I say voluntary. I could fuck holes but I don't want them. I think plenty of virgins/incels whatever you want to call them are the same they could find some old fat pig to fuck but they don't really want to. You can't just find a girl you genuinely want my obsessing over dating apps and websites or going to every bar/club in town every night. So realistic what is any guy that isn't desperate supposed to do? Is what it is. Not everybody finds someone.
I'm 35 and virgin, AMA.
stop it, get some halp
What possible kind of help? This isn't a disease or something.
i feel like i have put a lot of effort in
>hours dancing around on dating apps like a retard
>mountains of rejections
>failed embarrassing dates
>money wasted
All in the name of dating some random woman that doesn't really stun you with her beauty. Some mediocre girl that has done way better than you and you know it. Subconsciously everything you do is in competition with her previous partners. It sounds so tiring and not really rewarding at all. The biggest blackpill, one that can never be denied no matter how much you try, you are not getting that girl you desire but you have to work just as hard to keep her if she were.
>you are not getting that girl you desire
>doesn't really stun you with her beauty
and im sure you look like jimin right? you scrotes deserve to die alone with no legacy
>and im sure you look like jimin right?
I don't. If I did, it wouldn't be an issue. I'm not going embarrass myself for a girl that is not really attractive and has been with other men. It's not worth it for me. I gain absolutely nothing and lose a lot of my time and sanity.
That's cause I don't want no sexual intercourse
I see you are also a Blank Being of culture. I'm something of an I-don't-give-a-shit, myself.
Have you ever noticed that most 5'6 40 year olds don't put any effort into joining the NBA?
Usually when a guy is still a virgin by 30 he's got serious mental illness from abuse/neglect. I empathize with the men that don't see the point in trying from that point on and just accept their lives. I'm not a virgin myself but I've been volcel since 28 because there's really no point to trying to date or fuck women you're not legitimately interested in. I have no interest in making an ass of myself just to get laid I actually have self-love and self-respect. I have yet to meet a girl I'd actually take seriously. I've had enough experiences to understand forcing yourself to just be with whatever you can get instead of waiting for someone you geniunely like is for sociopaths. I accept being alone as the consequence.
I dont want to deal with all the responsibilities being a boyfriend implies, women only value in relationships are being pretty hole bearer to fuck. Im not wageslaving schoolmaxxing and personnalitymaxxing for these entitled worthless fuckmeats
You would do it for Stacy but you know you can't get Stacy. That's the hang up.
i can tell you right now why, because most adult virgin males dont have anything going in life
maybe they have a job atleast, maybe they still go to the fuckin university but other then that? most people these days dont even go out with friends anymore because once you finish high school its over
im not gonna tell a girl my age about myself because there is nothing. postive
The only effort a foid will notice is genetic effort aka a nice looking appearance and thats fucking it shut the fuck up you gaslighting roastie
I can't imagine talking to a girl, it's inconcievable. I guess I just don't have the perfect agency that you possess, oh well.
Maybe because no white swipes on me? Or I approach and they give me bitchy faces and attitude? Or they pull their phones out. EGAS this retarded thread homosexual
I put exactly zero effort into "dating" or anything related to women. I simply don't run into any (that I find attractive) and I'm not going to boost slut egos by installing a hookup app.
I am not a virgin so I don't think what you're describing relates specifically to virgins. especially if you're more introverted as a man whether you end up having sex never, once or with a few women is pretty much random luck. it's mostly what circle of friends you have at what stage in life and yes, for introverted people that's basically random. if tiny chance events panned out a little differently I might be a virgin today or I might have had several gfs over the years. people really overrate the "virginity" concept, or overinterpret what it says about a person.
Most incels be like
>Do literally anything in front of a woman
>Her face shows pure absolute disgust
And normies be like
>Bro like just talk to her
while pretending the woman isnt already automatically hateful of the incel
this. if anything incels should be discouraged from talking to girls as much as possible. i guess i'm retarded and lack social skills but i tried talking to a girl and i used the same humor i use with all my other friends and she looked genuinely scared.
i just want to work on my projects. you guys are complaining about women but you didn't have a family member completely destroy your career and you're here gluing these tiny pieces together
"LOOK GUYS I HAVE A PROBLEM I DECIDED WAS BIGGER THAN YOURS HENCE YOURS DOES NOT AFFECT YOU AND NONE OF YOUR PROBLEMS ARE VALID"
LEARNED *clap* HELPLESSNESS *clap* IS STILL *clap* HELPLESSNESS
AT THIS POINT ITHESE FUCKING THREADS ARE NOT GASLIGHTING ITS FUCKIN PROPYLENELIGHTING
Why, what perspective are you writing from? because I believe what I wrote unironically I just said it in a joking way.
"LOOK I KNOW I JUST TALKED OUT OF MY ASS, THATS WHY I DECIDED IT WAS A JOKE"
FUCK YOU
Oh, well it's too bad I can't know what you are disagreeing with because you'd rather act weird than engage earnestly.
FEELS WEIRD GETTING CALLED OUT FOR YOUR JOKE THAT WASNT AINT IT FUCKING SHITHEAD?!
Of course I notice, that's me
IT IS YOU JUST DONT WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOURE A WEASELING SACK OF SHIT THAT THAT WHAT A PACIFIED UNDERCLASS THAT WILL DIE ALONE FUCKING ZOGBOT POS
THAT WANT*
If any girl has been into you then you can get a gf off dating apps and/or otherwise online.
Not relevant to what I said there, but sure.
"ALL SHE NEEDS IS TO LIKE HOW YOU LOOK"
NO AGAIN FUCKIN LYING SACK OF SHIT THATS WHERE "MENTALCEL" TERM COMES FROM BEING FUCKING A SOCIAL PARIAH FUCKING ROPE YOURSELF POS DISHONEST SCUM
What do you mean not relevant? I didn't have any form of social interaction from peers for a large majority of my adolescence. I didn't even get attention in the form of friendship with other guys, let alone sexual interest from girls.
I have put in more effort than any other guy I know, yet no women are willing to talk to me.
As a failed normie, someone who's had sex, friends, and relationships, it's barely worth it. It's either have a social life and virtually zero free time or be isolated. For me even sex and intimacy once a week is pushing it, I need time to unwind. But having to care about some girlfriend and hearing some story about her other friend who had some "creep" hit on her in line at the bank for 10,000th time. Women amaze me, the ability to go on and on with talking without bringing up a single interesting, relevant, or important insight. Intimacy and sex are great, don't let normies lie, but the cost is enormous. Give the condition of women, fat and entitled, it doesn't shock me that many guys withdraw.
This is a really long way to say you sucked at sex and sucked at your boyfriend.
Ive approached hundreds of women irl, swiped right on over 35k on tinder, plus another ~20k or so on bumble and hinge. I have spent thousands on premium dating apps, the best haircuts, clothes, skincare. I have been lifting for over six years now. Yet not even one woman has been willing to go on a date with me or get to know who I am as a person at all. On a good day I am invisible to women, on a bad day they hate me. Nothing I do or say matters because women have decided that I am a terrible person for being ugly. I am trapped in this ugly shell and I will be forced to be alone for the rest of my life because of it.
>I have spent thousands on premium dating apps, the best haircuts, clothes, and skincare.
Beats by dre are really expensive headphones that are cheaply made on the inside.
Okay. You can have an incel license.
Gatekeep my nuts out of your mouth
Ok, I concede that you have put in a lot of effort. Would you like some advice? I'll give you some good advice but you have to be willing to approach it with an open mind. No bullshit. I'm not going to tell you something stupid. I feel and appreciate you, Anon.
Sure I would appreciate any advice I can get. Like I said I am willing to do anything to get a relationship.
1 of 2 posts:
1. Start watching all the best comedy shows/specials/movies etc from the last 50 years. Become familiar with all the best comedians and their material. You may need to watch each show twice to gain a familiarity with their material. Whenever you go out, look for situations which are humorous.
2. Every single time you out in public, you don't go home until you've made somebody laugh. It doesn't matter if it's a dude, an old grandma, a grocery store clerk, whoever. You keep going out noticing things, saying things, doing things, which make people laugh. Not stupid stunts or tricks or pranks - just truly silly things which cause people to smile or laugh or have a good time and break the ice. It doesn't have to be some hot girl. You need to gain comfort with people from all walks of life, not just your target audience. Over time, you will become this silly funny person who talks and engages with people.
3. Understand that it's near impossible for men to impress women with looks/muscles etc. For every good looking muscly dude, there's another Chaddier guy around the corner. The same thing with "intelligence". Trying to be "smart" is fake and gay. The way you disarm them is through humor. That's your primary weapon.
Speaking of target audience, every human being (including you) is a very specific person with a very specific "chemistry". Because of this, you already have a specific "niche" of women who like you. Right now, I'm sure you don't know what this niche is. For me it's smart girls. I've fucked girls from Yale, Harvard, Berkeley, (a top Law school), and other ivy leagues. Average/dumb 5s wont give me the time of day and see right through me while an 8 from Harvard will fuck my brains out. It just is what it is. Meet different women, do your schtick, and see which types respond best. Focus more and more on your target audience. However, don't assume you know what it is yet. You don't. Let the data inform you.
My main problem is that I never get the chance to show women my personality at all. I do think I already have a good sense of humor, but that doesn't matter much when I never get the opportunity to show women my humor. This goes for me just trying to be friends with women as well. I have no doubt that I could get a relationship if I could get that initial opportunity to show women who I am, but that opportunity never comes. Do you have any idea how I can get that chance? I have tried meeting women through hobbies, clubs, and organizations I was in back in uni, but still no women wanted to get to know me there. Until I can get to the point where I can show women who I am I have no idea how to proceed.
Every time you go out in public you have the chance to show people your personality: grocery store, bars, night clubs, bookstores, outdoor events, etc etc. Also, I can't speak to online dating today but when I was online dating 20+ years ago, I said all sorts of silly funny things in my profile, and I wrote a unique original funny response to every woman I messaged - another way to show your personality. Are you in the US? Can you go out in public?
Yes I am in the US and I do go out. The problem is that I can't get a conversation with women so theres no real way for me to show them my personality. As for the dating apps, you need to match before you are able to message women, so I'm not able to chat with them unless they find me attractive enough to match with (this almost never happens).
2 of 2 posts:
5. Make a female friend, no matter how fugly, whom you have no intention of fucking. Just talk with her as much as she'll listen so you can practice on her.
6. When you find a woman you're interested in, approach her not with the intention of picking her up, but with the intention of finding out more about her. Look at all women with an *extreme* critical eye and for God's sake, never let them impress you with their primary weapon (their looks). The moment you stop seeing her critically and give way to your physical attraction is the moment you fail. She may or may not be someone worth your time. You don't really know. You want to find out what her deal is - how she's managing getting through in the world.
7. When you go out to bars, clubs, etc. intentionally approach women you don't find attractive. Look for unattractive ones to practice on who don't make you feel nervous.
8. Join special interest clubs which interest and can benefit you where women are members. Not because you want to pick up one of the women. But because you want them to get to know you. Trust me, they're looking and paying attention. Some women like to play matchmaker and might hook you up. An ex-gf (prestigious lawyer) hooked me up with her girlfriend from Yale.
Perhaps most importantly of all, if you think of yourself as an "incel", please stop. It's not helpful for you or for anyone.
You know who won't reject you? YOUR MOM
Yeah pretty much. In high school I pretty much just rejected the hottest girl a year lower than me because actually talking to her or hooking up with her seemed so inconceivable and scary. The same shit happened the next year. I also heard of girls calling me shit like top 10 hottest guy in the school and shit like that. (even though am ugly as shit). When I went to college it was pretty much the same shit at first but the normies started to sniff me out and I was once again a weirdo that fit in nowhere. Just couldn't master the art of hanging out with people, let alone women.
Over the years I've had very little interaction with women, but here and there some shit will happen. Like, a few years ago I was still in some shitty retail job sweeping the floor, and this group of girls kept asking questions clearly flirting, finally one gave me her friends number. I just sperged out and hid in the break room for the rest of the night. Or more recently a girl online told me she liked my music and would occssionally talk to me and send selfies and shit.
One time I did kiss a girl I had a big crush on, it was awful. Being intimate with her felt unnatural and I did not enjoy cuddling with her at all, I felt so uncomfortable. I don't think I actually want a relationship or real sex, like I'd rather focus on manifesting the occassional sex dream with my waifu/imaginary girlfriend I keep in my fantasy world. I still feel very tfw no gf though. For instance if I woke up with the girl of my dreams next to me I'd definitely freak out and throw her out the window.
Anyone else notice that most female sex-havers put next to no effort into trying to actually date and have sex?
Dont worry the shitheads like zogposting OP know,
they want people to slave at their job in a society that all the fun things are for the higher in hierarchy and the rest eat shit and preached moral virtuosity
I don't see why the virgins here are so triggered. The OP statement is correct and most of the posters admit to doing nothing to try to get women.
Why should someone put all that time, effort, and humiliation just for some below average bitch to go "Maybe"?
THEYRE NOT DOING NOTHING BECAUSE THEY DONT WANT IT, THEY DO NOTHING BECAUSE ITS A ONE SIDED DEAL WHERE MEN GET AT BEST AN HOUR OF SEX A WEEK WHILE BEING EXPECTED TO DEVOTE THEMSELVES INTO BEING FINANCIAL AND SOCIAL SLAVES OF COURSE YOU WOULDNT GET IT AS YOU ZOGPOSTING POS REAPS ALL THE BENEFITS FROM SOCIETY AND STILL EXPECT PEOPLE TO WORK FOR IT
>posters 55
Yea, real open and shut case here.
I'm a 30 yo virgin myself and I can attest to the fact that in almost every virgin thread a lack of effort is a prevailing them. The guys asking out dozens of women and facing lots of rejection are a minority.
And again, your source is an anonymous board that is hit with spam. I've seen incels on reddit who mentioned constant rejection before stopping along with the studies of PUA to incel pipeline. Half this board is just edgy facebook.
>asking out dozens of women and facing lots of rejection
You realize that's not actually a thing, right? The 90s sitcoms lied to you. No one actually does this irl.
Normal people just meet their partners organically through their friend groups.
Why should men actively pursue a used up whore who'll cheat on them with another man and then try to gaslight them into thinking it was their fault it happened?
Dating is deterministic.
I can only speak for myself but: What is the point? I know I'm not good at love and romance, so I moved on a while ago. I could grind and force myself into that world, but there are better uses of my time
If you haven't tried at least 5 times, your opinion on the topic is invalid, you overthink too much, and you are volcel. Simple as.
YOURE ANOTHER LYING POS THAT ON PURPOSE IGNORE THAT WOMEN DONT FUCK FOR FREE, YOU HAVE TO BE THE CLOWN, THE CASH COW AND STFU AND BE HAPPY OR BE FROM A RICH FAMILY FUCK YOU LYING PIECE OF SHIT SELLING HOPE JUST SO THE DESTITUTE DONT FREAK THE FUCK OUT AND DESTABILIZE YOUR PRECIOUS LAVISH LIFESTYLES
You never tried. Didn't read.
AND YOURE A LYING POS FUCKING ZOGPOSTING WEASEL
"YOU WILL OWN NOTHING AND BE HAPPY"
OF COURSE THE WILL ALWAYS SCUMBAGS LIKE YOU TO JUSTIFY IT, GET THE FUCKING ROPE
I've probably had a shittier hand dealt than you. Kek
You know jack shit about me and im not gonna share my life with random strangers on the internet, MOMOST IMPORTANTLY STOP CHANGING SUBJECT, THE POINT IS YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT, SHUT THE FUCK UP
You seemed perfectly fine making assumptions about me anon :^) quit being such a whiny homosexual and get a grip and maybe you'd be happier
Theres no assumption to be made when people deny basic facts like "women are not fucking for free" and "women will the richest funniest guys, even if hypergamy is involved, knowingly or not" Denying it makes of you indeed, A FUCKING LIAR, AND HENCE FUCK YOU
>there's no assumption to be made
But you made plenty earlier. Don't deny basic facts as you say. Like a liar.
Which one? Name some please, is it about calling you a zogposter? Thats also acting like a zogposter to spit the lies you did, no assumption i made still
>YOU LYING PIECE OF SHIT SELLING HOPE JUST SO THE DESTITUTE DONT FREAK THE FUCK OUT AND DESTABILIZE YOUR PRECIOUS LAVISH LIFESTYLES
Idk anon, seems like a pretty big assumption to me.
Thats part of zogposting mission, exactly what you fucking do by lying about the dating market dynamics, still no assumption made, get the rope
Normalfags and their lies
Why can't women just approach men?
they do it always, but not with you
i had a coworker who would be approached by a different girl at every hour, and not because of work related reasons
When you are already being approached why would you put yourself out there like that? Most men only do it because they have no choice.
women know that approaching is a losers game
>put in effort
>get accused of sexual assault when I'm a kv
>lose nearly all my friends and nearly get kicked out of uni
Never again. Effort is a meme when you're ugly.
While I haven't put much effort into asking women out (maybe a dozen tops), the fact I had a zero percent success rate while my friends and peers aren't tells me enough about my status.
Anyone else notice that the same cadre of discord homosexuals/troons post these same threads every day?
FUCK OFF WITH ACTING LIKE A FOOL TO PULL YOUR SOCRATIC ARGUMENTARY METHOD YOU FUCKING KNOW NOT EVERYONE HAS HOPE STOP FKIN LYING WEASELING ZOGPOSTER SHITHEAD
I didn't say everyone has hope.
Like 98% of this board are either plain normalfags or volcels.
AND YOURE ASKING "BUT WHAT ILLNESS" TO SPIT IN THE MOST EFFORTLESS MANNER THE "JUST DO EFFORT ANYTHING CAN BE FIXED WITH IT THE MAGIC FAIRIES ARE REAL TEEHEE" MEME FUCK YOU POS
>op makes claim about virgins
>virgins enter thread and confirm claim
>op is the bad guy
What?
The point is stupid until OP specifies what constitutes "effort" or "trying". Most incels have enough social awareness to not approach random women on street corners like a retard. The prevailing sentiment is that there's no way to put yourself in situations where you can interact with like-minded female peers in today's society. The reason the "bars and nightclubs" shit is such a meme is that you're expecting some social recluse to woo a party girl - it's moronic.
>there's no way to put yourself in situations where you can interact with like-minded female peers in today's society
This is an extremely stupid opinion.
>yourself in situations where you can interact with like-minded female peers in today's society. The reason the "bars and nightclubs" shit is such a meme is that you're
Not every girl there is a stacy extrovert. Those are easy examples to disprove the first thing I quoted, but it's not necessarily the ideal place to find a gf lol.
>women want cash cows and joke distributors
Then getting a gf should be pretty fucking easy lol.
>theyre some lazy do nothings
They very often but not always are, and because they are, that subset of self-proclaimed incels are volcels, not incels.
Women who go to nightclubs are not likeminded to your average LULZ browser. Please name somewhere I could reasonably go to meet women my age and not expect to find normiegram extroverts who would never accept my lifestyle.
Some hobby club place. Depends on your interests but you won't find your exact soulmate most certainly outside and online looks are of primary importance.
It's not advice. It's a summary of the situation where I said "a huge chunk experience X".
That's not a response. Of course women and Chad's are on ezmode.
If you haven't tried significantly then there's no use in trying to say you're like the ones who did try many times and failed.
So what's a guy to do if his hobbies are either male-dominated or solitary?
>Some hobby club place
None of my hobbies/interests lend themselves to this at all and I'm too ugly for apps (already tried). I don't think I'm too ugly to meet someone in real life, but there's no place for me to do that, so I guess I'm just fucked unless I feign interest in something asinine on the off chance it leads to someone I could actually talk to.
>Not every
And this is why the entire premise here is retarded. Generic advice is at best to create the opportunity to solve the situational problems. An anon in Brazil in a city will have different problems then one in the Russian country to one in an American town. Worse still the only options for some might be to settle to bottom barrel 60 year old hooker or move entirely which aren't things you do just because lonely.
>women want cash cows and joke distributors
>Then getting a gf should be pretty fucking easy >lol.
Easy SUUUUUUURE Lying Sack Of Shit
>"Everyone is the same as me everything i find easy is easy i am the world teehee"
Not only you have to be a cash cow and joke distributor also you have to compete with EVERYBODY AROUND HER with the vast world of the internet, DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS FROM AN ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE? HAVING THIS MUCH CHOICE MAKES YOU BEING PICKED AND ESPECIALLY KEPT VERY DIFFICULT
>theyre some lazy do nothings
>They very often but not always are, and >because they are, that subset of self->proclaimed incels are volcels, not incels.
So you read some fucking LULZs post and reddit or whatever for a few minutes and suddenly you think you know the lives all these people lived? Get the fuck out of here youre not making any sense
This is why you need to emotionally manipulate and gaslight your woman into having low self-esteem and thinking you are her only and perfect option.
Some of us did try hard when we were younger but our genes fucked us over as women simply dont like us, they dont bother to learn what my personality is they just auto hate me within seconds. So fuck off
Lets be real, even if these guys were in a 4 year college all expense paid for they would still do nothing. And college is probably the best place to play the pussy hunting game.
I approached plenty of women when I was in uni and none were willing to talk to me.
Okay, you may be a rare incel. Most virgins don't try.
its not that rare, women want nothing to do with ugly men.
>OP conveniently ignore women dont have sex for >free and want cash cows and joke distributors
>Incels point it out, know it and stopped trying for it
>for they know they cant deliver it all.
>Incels get annoyed by people like OP implying >theyre some lazy do nothings and lash out
>Retard Zogposters: GoTcHa
>call yourself an incel
>say you hate women
>waste your entire time talking about women and how much you want sex, almost making them the meaning of your existence
>do no effort to have sex
it's pathetic
Women and Chads can have sex with 0 effort. So your point is moot, tranny.
Oh please if you knew one of us was a Chad physically you would be agreeing with us like a slave
Just because I'm incel doesn't mean I hate women. The few times I do speak to women it's always the highlight of my year. Stop saying incels hate women. Misogynistic incel is what you are looking say.
>go out and approach 500 women
>build up notorious reputation
>life ruined
yeah it sucks but thankfully i confirmed i am an incel before giving myself this label ! wouldn't want to be a volcel now would i haha
i likely hate women more than im sexually attracted to them, all i need is to expose myself to more women to become a wizard
I'm an adult virgin male and I've put in a ton of effort. However, effort cannot compensate for my height and so I'm still alone. Probably will be for life.
What is your height? Unless you're like 5'0 then face is vastly more important.
Most ugly guys do just fine with dating and sex.
Get new hobbies.
Actual incels have been rejected lots of times. Most normalfag guys don't get loads of rejections, though, but they're also not mostly ugly+socially stunted.
most ugly guys do not get relationships. Most young men in general have no relationships, and thats including the average looking guys. Women dont see us ugly guys as humans at all.
5'1"
I'm not here to debate it either way. Have your own opinion but women have been pretty clear in why they're rejecting me.
>Most ugly guys do just fine with dating and sex
Most young men as a whole are single so this seems pretty unlikely unless you have some evidence to the contrary.
If you go your entire life without any woman once even acknowledging your existence without being forced to, I don't see any real reason to distinguish that from dudes who just played the lottery cold-approaching and racking up rejections to check some arbitrary "incel" boxes.
Piss off you lying foid
Most normalfag guys never put themselves into a situation where they can be rejected in the first place. They just hang out in mixed gender groups, and some group members grow closer together and eventually decide to bang. No "approaching", no "asking out"; it just happens.
This frame and lingo is a massive psyop concocted by the CIA, reptilians, and most of all: sexually frustrated 90s screenwriters.
Avatarfagging should be an instant permaban. Holy shit.
Yea! It's because a lot of them have no interest in sex at all and come to the incel fandom for the friendship and brotherhood! It's a really nice experience!
Why is my bf posting so much? We are on our romantic Mexican getaway, remember?
I don't blame guys for not having the confidence to try very hard, we are bombarded with endless examples of women hating average men and having high standards that we can't live up to. But the narrative of the guy facing numerous brutal rejections then quitting is largely a meme. I think its more likely that these guys were slightly to very weird in school, got designated as a undateable, and never fought out of that frame mentally into adulthood.
>Fought
Thats a VERY FUCKIN IMPORTANT word you got here, ever heard about the 2 disciplines of psychopathology and biopsychology? Some people get fucked up by the state of their own body, like a kid born deformed because of pesticides and a mentally retarded kid because hes malnourished, these things little to not researched at all that can set you for life and that the people affected by it should have it all figured out with their parents and fix it. "Just fight for it" in this context sounds like the activists calling for extreme actions being clueless of the obstacles faced.
Ive never once approached a woman or even talked to one first. I just assume no woman is interested in me and I offer them nothing she cant get better and more from a better looking guy. Like, why would a woman be attracted to me when she can just be with a better guy? I dont even bother, women would rather be in Chads harem. Why be with an average to below average guy at all?
why even try? no girl was ever interested in me and im already at 1/3 of my life, cant bother anymore
Why are you so fucking obsessed with them? Honest question, just how fucking hard up is the media for legitimate subjects that you just have to nag people like this? You call incels out for being sad and highly online and yet here you are.
You're just projecting your hatred of society onto the people that MSNBC says it's okay to use as a punching bag.
>Why are you so fucking obsessed with them?
I'm a 30 year old vigin lol
what kind of weirdass raid is this thread
As much as I don't give a fuck and I don't need to be crying about no gf and no sex the only thing I can say to you retards that even If I wanted to have sex or a relationship I couldn't.
You see, it's not like people actually try either, they just meet someone and talk, like even they most retarded and ugly people do it, an get laid, on their own level standards, that is until you get out of school and have to work, move out, and do the rest of you fucking life. Where the hell are you supposed to get girls, the fucking trash can? What if you don't go to parties, or have any friends? Even if you went you would be standing there, because you have no business there.
People don't fucking try, they just go out with friends and shit happens, if it happens at all, it may never be.
Get real, grow the fuck up, you angsty teen.
Even if you made the so called effort to install Tinder, which is your only choice no one would care.
You are poor, miserable and unknown, no one knows or cares you exist.
I seriously don't try because I don't need too, I can't get it anyway and even if I did ir would mean trouble, people are generally out of their minds nowadays.
I just want peaceful and comfortable life, no hassles and no bitches involved.
Is it that hard to understand you illiterates?
You fucking high schoolers know nothing and understand less about the world.
It just fucking works like that.
No point in crying over spilled milk.
>You see, it's not like people actually try either, they just meet someone and talk
I will say I think one of the biggest things that will keep men virgins is not having an active social circle. Cause like you said, most men are not out cold approaching random women, they meet women at school, work, and maybe social gatherings.
Not a virgin because I used an escort at 20. But I am no longer interested in women since overdosing on blackpills have made me an unironic sociopath, yet has made me more empathic towards fellow men, transvestites even if they shut up and stop flirting with me.
Assuming you're a biological woman, I would have certainly tortured you by removing your tongue, cutting your vocal cords, butchering your vulva out and extracting your entire clitoris (not just the "bean"; all of it), took out your uterus, and poured acid on your face so not even the most desperate robot gets to love you.
To add: I will do the opposite to men, but without the homoerotic implications of doing fellatio to a fellow biological male, or so.
I want my fellow men to never kill themselves, and that they become as much of a bother for the matriarchal system that we currently live in by using food banks despite not really needing it; making the welfare state bankrupt by focing the state to distribute welfare checks everywhere; etc.
Any advice on how to boost my confidence? I'm really bad at talking to people let alone girls and I always shit the bed whenever coworkers try to banter with me because I get nervous and don't know what to say I wanna stop living like this
>people have crippling social anxiety
>HEY, stop doing that okay??
wow haven't had this thread a thousand times before.
It didn't work when I was young, so what is the point of wasting time now? I'd rather do things I enjoy.
36 years old. A virgin, never had a relationship, and will never have one. I've had some instances of girls trying to chat me up, with obvious intentions, but never entertained it.
No friends either. The only people in my life are my family, and I can't stand them a good amount of the time.
I'm also autistic, and get those sweet, sweet autismbux. Ya boi ain't no wage-slave.
how autistic do you have to be to get neetbux over it
When it interferes with daily functioning, I guess.
I also don't consider myself an incel, nor do I have any special resentment towards women, at least on a personal level. Women have never really done anything bad to me.
You sound incredibly socially awkward and incompetent. Its not that "most adult male virgins put next to no effort into trying", its the fact that NO ONE PUTS EFFORT INTO TRYING. No one really cares, they have no reason to care.
Because it's useless. To date girls when you are an adult is like to make a phd dissertation while you never even went to school.
26 old kissless virgin here, I got two rejections from average looking girls, two from below average looking girls and two from above average looking girls
I rejected the advances of two below average looking girls
I'm not motivated to try any further so I"m staying a virgin
My only problem is the fellow incels saying its all about looks, but they never put effort in the gym or grooming.
I've put three years into doing to gym with no skipping, crazy amount of money on clothes and grooming, and no girl even look or talk to me in those three years.
You gymcels are full of shit, you just want to drag other people to your misery.
Post physique or be quite with your larp.
>and no girl even look or talk to me in those three years
Sounds like you still expect women to do most of the work, most won't.
>next to no effort into trying to actually date and have sex?
Why would I? I hate women.
>Anyone else notice that most adult virgin males put next to no effort into trying to actually date and have sex?
That's because there is no point in pushing on a locked door, fuckhead.
Women have to show interest and be persistent with it for anything to happen. Incels are ignored by them, so we ignore them in turn.
robots don't do that shit now go back to /soc/
Chad puts no effort too. He's just granted.
I got rejected a few times and realized my place. Besides Im autistic so majority of subtle social cues are completely invisible to me unless someone explains it in clear manner at that exact moment.
t. wizard
Hmm, okay. Where do you meet girls? It's not on dating apps, it's not on LULZ, it's not in nightclubs or bars. I can't just cold approach girls on the street or grocery stores. I was on Twitter for five years and only met a single girl (she was a brown trad-Cath Argie, so...) Am I supposed to just keep trying, going on hundreds pointless dates using Hinge or something? I am unironically considering going back to college for a Master's or something. It's so bleak.
If I met twenty girls I liked within the next year, at least one of them would like me and we would, probably, eventually, get married. I have met zero viable girls over the course of the past five years, excluding a few mentally ill e-girls who were in retrospect, just using me to alleviate their boredom or whatever. The only exception was one English (e-)girl who didn't treat me that way and obviously had a huge crush on me. Anyway, she was across the ocean and I kind of ruined that, but whatever.
>Where do you meet girls?
I use sites with hooker numbers. I have a goal to fuck some hooker so hard that she'll become my gf.
The anterior fornix is about 6-7 inches into the vagina you will feel it when the vagina starts feeling more... sponge like i guess?
Unless you have enought penis to reach that point she wont actually orgasm(but she might pretend to since thats what you're paying her to do) no matter how hard you fuck her all you're going to do by smashing your penis into her as hard as you can is giving her bleeding.
Well, it's not like I have any other options, so I'll keep trying.
What sites do you use for numbers?
We are from different countries so it is irrelevant. Just google hookers and name of your city, pretty much what I did.
100% I thought I was a unlovable incel and that the world hated me until I actually used tinder once and immediately found a girl that let me hit on the first date
I think I'm doing something wrong man, I talk to a lot of girls on tinder but they just seem to lose interest all of a sudden even if we were vibing pretty well initially.
I am absolutely terrified of women so I go out of my way to avoid them.
Why should they put effort into something that's not a guaranteed outcome? Your attempts to shame people so they continue wagie'ing and jumping through 5000 hoops so you can benefit from their labour and tax and protection and whatnot whilst dangling a carrot in front of them that is not remotely likely to be given to them doesn't work. Your shitty odds are not worthwhile, and beyond that even if you luck out with the shitty odds you have to then luck out again with even shittier odds that the woman is actually a good person, not a hedonistic liar entirely fuelled by selfishness and is incapable of caring about anyone else.
This godspeed, thank you! The carrot has being dangled way too long and its not limited to women it also includes the real estate scam that makes house take 20 years of slavery to pay or living in a shithole in bumfuck nowhere
>just force yourself into social environments over and over again, even though you have autism, and don't even really understand what to do
Why can't other people just be nice to me first?
i would do anything for a gf but women don't even see me as a human
Because I'm an npc who cannot fit in with human society
I'm simply disqualified from being human and no woman will ever want me
Maybe they know it doesnt JUST happen?
To get any sex as a man you need to be a wageslave cash cow, to be a jester,make conversations,read stupid social cues while competing with HUNDREDS OF MEN all of that for holes attached to a pretty support.
With that being said, fuck you with what your implying
Sure buddy what ever you say
Keep blaming men and not hold women accountable. You only gonna make more and more dudes give up and leave society.
>Inb4 you all worthless anyway bye
Understand that men are like garage men. One individual may not matter to you but if all of them stop working you gonna be in deep shit.
My parents did not put any effort into raising me so why should I care about anything
women arent even interacting with ugly men, they could be bf material but no women would know because they never see who we are as a person
Ah, it's the daily raid by tranny discords and crystal cafe. All the women and trannies replying to themselves pretending to confirm the anti-incel position of OP is pretty funny once you've seend firsthand on their discords how these raids are organized.
The simple blackpill (thus fact of life) is that if women weren't overtly into you by high school, you are at most in a prostitutive transactional relationship and are locked out of genuine love and thus meaningful/worthwhile relationships. I will not engage and tranny responses that disagree with me. Simple as.
29 year old virgin checking in. I tried when I was in college. Got a few dates but it always turned into "I just see you as a friend." Most girls I met either had boyfriends or "weren't interested in dating right now" but ended up having a boyfriend like a week or 2 later.
After college I slowly gave up as tinder became the only option and the algorithm became more and more punishing with the introduction of the platinum subscription that prioritize likes. The dudes paying for platinum in my area are knuckledragger oil and gas workers who think making 100k a year and owning a big truck is all they need to do to get a woman and end up scaring most women off tinder to the point the only active users are fat single moms looking for a meal ticket or the 18-20 crowd going through a hoe phase.
maybe it's because they got burned? no one would be a virgin if it was something in their control, especially as adults. unless you're very religious.
The homosexuals you refer to don't want advice or help. They arrogantly think they know everything already including why they never get laid. If I were to give them the most perfect advice in the world, it would sound foreign and grating to them and they would immediately reject it. These people rot behind their shield to the outside world. Until they take their shield down, I've given up on these loser fuckers.
whenever i ask for advice, I get told to do things I have already tried. When I explain that I have already tried them, they say no I havent.
I wonder how much effort you've actually put in though. Tried 3 or 4 times doesn't really count. I've fucked 50 different women but I had to approach approx. 500+ to get to that number. Over time it got easier and easier as I developed myself, my personality and my confidence. I truly wanted to have sex with lots of women so I worked on myself every day and worked on approaching women. I learned a lot about life in the process. My guess is you only *kinda* want women.
If you have to put that much effort in just to communicate with women, maybe it just isn't worth the effort
I will accept dying alone
this is my post :
i am willing to do anything to get a relationship
To be fair, normalhomosexuals tend to give retarded fucking advice. Whenever I press one on the vague shit they suggest they immediately lose their cool or stop responding because they're either baiting or speaking out of their ass from a lack of empathy (i.e. suggesting shit they'd never do themselves in a million years). You seem to be the former.
I'm not bullshitting you. I've actually fucked 50+ women and had some really zany experiences I didn't expect. I have lots of weird stories. The world of women is a very odd place which men (including me) find quite unusual and sometimes disconcerting.
I just don't want to have sex, nor do I want to put up with a boring women. If I find a decent girl when I'm out and about maybe I'll consider.
definitely. most of them just don't care or think their desperate attempts at having sex are going nowhere because they aren't a chad, when in reality they are just really creepy because they can't shut the fuck up about le femoids and le great replacement
honestly i don't even think i want a relationship anymore.
I'd really just settle for having 1 or 2 true friends and a job that doesn't pay me like shit so I could live independently.
you can mock incels all you want but realise just how many guys in their early to mid 20's live like I do and you'd realise mental illness and loneliness are pretty much the norm for this generation of guys, it just gets brushed off as "lmao incel have sex"
>How is any of that relevant?
We need to stop pushing this idea that "approaches" and "seduction" and "rejections" are normal things that normal people do.
They aren't. And they aren't a good measure of how much you're is "trying".
We have raised a generation of young men to believe that they should act like How I Met Your Mother characters in order to participate in sex and dating, and the way we talk about these things is continually reinforcing this perception.
In reality this will just make them look at best like a retard and at worst like a sex pest.
The best advice for guys is to sudo rm -rf everything the media has ever told them about male/female interactions, and just try and find an extended mixed-gender friend group to hang with.
>sudo rm -rf
Translate into English pls
it's autism lingo for delete everything
>extended mixed-gender friend group to hang with
Not sure I agree with the rest of what you said but this is a good idea
>We need to stop pushing this idea that "approaches" and "seduction" and "rejections" are normal things that normal people do.
>They aren't. And they aren't a good measure of how much you're is "trying".
Yup. This, 100%.
I lived with a couple of Brads in college and for a few years after we graduated, and this entire model of interaction did not exist for them.
They knew a lot of people, and women drifted in and out of the friend group and the friends-of-friends group. And occasionally they would "like" one of these girls, and the girl would like them back. And everyone in the mutual friend group knew, and everyone talked about it INTERMINABLY before anything happened. And after a greater-or-lesser period of time, the two people being gossiped about would hook up - and if that went well enough, they would then pair off and date.
Nobody was ever "rejected", really, because by the time the decision point was reached, these were ALWAYS sure things. 100% sure things. In the absence of sure things, nobody did ANYTHING. There weren't "approaches" or "holding frame" or "game" or "confessions" or anything like that. Girls were just around, and once everyone was ONE HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN that everyone was on the same page, people would hook up.
If you have been "rejected" more than once or twice in your entire life, and if the model described above doesn't apply to your experience because you either don't know people or because no girls among the people you know ever end up being this kind of "sure thing"...you're already a loser. You're already way, way, WAY outside of how "normal" people interact.
Anyone who has any sort of social life knows this. As an "incel" who used to go out a lot and still goes out with friends occasionally (I'm pushing 30) I can confirm all of this.
My friends are all doofuses who never had to think about "game" or "approach" or "rejection" or whatever the copes the redpillers come up with, and they're all married or have gfs. I've witnessed the social dynamics happening many times. People have large groups and those groups intersect, so everyone knows who's "into" each other, who got with who, et cetera.
I was never seen as a sexual entity to anyone, not even my guy friends. We sparingly talked about sex and relationships. I used to have small gatherings with like 3 or 4 close friends who had gfs and I was almost always the only single guy there. People always liked being around me and laughing at my jokes but that was never enough for any girl to want me.
It's interesting how blackpillers figure out the secret of life by looking at statistics from dating apps, but I've seen it in real life, I've experienced all of it. Attractive dudes fucking all the girls and ugly dudes not getting any.
It's quite funny how my closest friend (I would say my best friend) is married and a few weeks ago out of nowhere said he was worried about me being alone because we barely go out anymore and I don't have any chance of meeting anyone. Nigga haven't you been my friend for 10 fucking years? Have you never noticed that I NEVER dated anyone, and NOW you're worried?
I think it's because his wife (also a friend of mine) feels bad for me. Once she hugged me out of nowhere because she can tell I'm a lonely bastard. You want to help? Match me with one of your girlfriends. We all know why she doesn't, because no one wants me.
tons of ugly dudes get girlfriends. youre probably just boring. youre almost 30 and youre crying on LULZ. have some self-awareness.
>tons of ugly dudes get girlfriends. youre probably just boring.
Not that anon, but...so what? Let's say you're right, and he's just boring.
Since there is no one more annoying than a boring person trying to FORCE themselves into being interesting...exactly what is he supposed to do?
His point would still stand.
>youre almost 30 and youre crying on LULZ
So I take it you're a young cunt that knows nothing about life. Thanks for the useless reply.
>people seem to like being around you but no one sees you as a sexual entity
yeah me. if the people who know me and hang out with me a lot aren't sexually attracted to me then why would some random tinder girl who's only ever seen my profile be attracted to me.
>I was never seen as a sexual entity to anyone, not even my guy friends. We sparingly talked about sex and relationships. I used to have small gatherings with like 3 or 4 close friends who had gfs and I was almost always the only single guy there. People always liked being around me and laughing at my jokes but that was never enough for any girl to want me.
I had this same situation, and not only did nobody see me as a sexual being, if I stepped outside my assigned role at all people would get upset. Like they were embarrassed for me or something.
>Oh dear anon is trying to act like it's feasible for him to get a gf again
>God how long is he going to do it this time
>Can't he just respect the normal order of things?
>Ugh this is SO awkward
>Anyone else notice that most wheelchair users put next to no effort into walking?
Holy fuck this board has been invaded by normalfags.
Blame /adv/ r*dditors
I'm fat and unattractive. I'm sure I can get a gf if I really tried really hard but I fail on dating apps and I'm scared of approaching women IRL. If I approach and get rejected it would just feed into my insecurities about by weight and appearance.
that's me
i just focus on myself
I'm an incel. Death to normalnaggers and their disgusting simping over used holes.
>You date women to get to know them and find chemistry.
no anon you talk to them, then once you hear the stupid shit that comes out their mouth you move on.
Chemistry is instantaneous. It's literally at first sight. She sees how tall and handsome you are and le chemistry emerges.
>You should actively try to lose weight and cope in the meantime with the best clothes for it and also looskmaxx with critiques you find from women online.
My motivation to do anything that would put me in a better position to get a girl always goes away eventually. I failed losing weight 5 times, once I crossed the IMC line of obese to overweight then gained all the weight back. It's fucking brutal.
I'm 29, I can't help but feel this is just nature running its course, like I was never supposed to reproduce. Everything about me goes against having sex, my lifestyle, my hobbies, my personality, my insecurities about the way I look and my penis size (it's 5 inch not horrible but the feeling that it's too small never goes away).
It's like being born a cripple and not accepting it and coping about not being able to walk.
I honestly don't hate women, I have a good relationship with my mom, my friends wifes and gfs, etc. It's funny how I have friends with wifes and gfs and they never have a friend to match me with. I see my friends putting no effort and getting with girls it's fucking soul crushing.
I mean if I'm not THAT unattractive I should have had at least one girl look at me and give me some sort of sign she's interested, and I went out a lot in my younger years, it just never happened.
If you're obese, the way to handle that is not to restrict your daily eating - that's next to impossible. Instead, immediately start "ADF" alternate day water fasting. Every other day, only drink water, black coffee, or tea. As much water as you want (within reason of course). On your eating days, eat pretty much what you would normally eat. If you can improve the food you eat, fine but most people don't need to. Just eat whatever you usually eat on eating days and only water/coffee/tea every other day. I'm normal weight so I only water fast Mondays and Thursdays. Try it. It works.
I tried a lot of fasting methods but never ADF, I'll give it a shot. Do you take salts/potassium on your fasting days?
My first almost successful attempt was OMAD, I was very motivated and eating once a day wasn't so hard, lost a bunch of weight.
No I don't take salts/potassium. You seriously don't need anything except water/black coffee if you drink it regularly.
OMAD is ok; ADF is better. If I'm going to eat, I'm going to eat what I want and not restrict myself to one meal or to only "healthy food". I hate that. Restricting yourself always fails.
However fasting is a different thing entirely. It's a *thing* you're doing. You're not restricting yourself because you're not eating anything at all. It's not like going from 3000 calories to 2000 and hating life. It's completely different. Not only that, you benefit from a 36-hour fast which is better for autophagy.
Thanks man, I'll start my first fasting day tomorrow. I lost 15 pounds jan-feb by traditional dieting and been maintaining my weight ever since, dreading coming back to calorie restriction. I just hate counting calories. Fasting makes it so much easier.
Losing weigh can be very difficult depending on why you are that way, but it shouldn't be impossible. Losing weight makes most men look vastly better, but you can still try to looksmaxx despite it, e.g. if your chin looks fat and weird you can grow a beard over it, or clothes that make it harder to notice your weight, or just the ways you can looksmaxx already like stopping balding, getting a better hair style, proper hygeine, skincare, etc.
I've been browsing "incel" threads for quite a while now, and I generally ask the same questions every time to gauge how many are LARPing normalfags. If you stay on this board you'll see an animeposter who calls out normalfags LARPing as robots/incels and that's always me. I've seen so many of these people and such huge portions of "30+ virgin"/"incel"/"robot"/etc. threads that are supposed to be for "lonely" guys who've gotten substantial attention from women, and a much larger portion has basically put in approx. zero effort into finding a gf. I have no idea where you think the non-normalfags are tbh ne.
>This board is 98% normalfags
Threads like these are mostly samefags poisoning the well. If you don't find the number of "I was le incel until I installed Tinder and fucked 20 women in a day" posts suspicious, you are very unobservant.
I'm an adult virgin late 20s, I think I look good I'm just oblivious to women showing interest in me and that's unlikely to change
>and that's unlikely to change
...until you do something about it
OP here.
Everyone thinks I made this thread to be antagonistic when I'm also an adult virgin. Its really just an observation that I made of myself and most other advanced age virgins. You can make the argument that you're ugly so there was no point, which is fine, but the fact is you still never tried, which isn't necessarily a bad thing if your discernment of your circumstances was correct.
I think people jumped to the conclusion that the "didn't try" part was an insult, but its not.
Most likely due to picking up nonverbal ques from women that indicate disintress or outright disgust. There is no such thing as 'putting in effort' in terms of dating. If you have to 'put in effort' chances are youre too ugly. The way it usually works is by spontaneous mutual interest. You can 'put in effort' for the rest of your life and it will mean nothing because nothing will be reciprocated. A lot of guys gaslight themselves into believing that women care about personality or that they even have the ability to perceive and measure a guys personality. Women suck at making judgments which is why they were forced to keep their mouths shut for thousands of years. Its not complicated.
>The way it usually works is by spontaneous mutual interest.
Yup, exactly.
I have had a couple of gfs. And I knew to "try" with those girls because it was clear there was spontaneous mutual interest. They made it clear that they actually regarded me being around as a positive thing, and I noticed.
I couldn't have increased my number of gfs by "trying" to get girls that didn't demonstrate any such interest. If it's incredibly clear that you don't want me around, or incredibly clear that you consider yourself better than me or more attractive than me, I'm not going to "try" to date you. It would be moronic for me to do so.
But if you simply never encounter girls of the first type, and ALWAYS encounter girls of the second type...then I can't really tell you to "try" more because it would be pointless at best and turn people even more against you at non-best.
/thread. I dont know how brainlets cant seem to grasp thid simple concept.
Most ugly guys are fucking and dating just fine. Or is the bar for being ugly just super high?
You can just fuck an escort if the women are that demonic.
>There is no such thing as 'putting in effort' in terms of dating. If you have to 'put in effort' chances are youre too ugly
Come on now that's ridiculous. You can find plenty of stories of men who took action to get sex or a gf and were able to make it happen.
I do agree that for most people it does just seem to happen more naturally, men and women mingle at school work or social gatherings and feel each other out and attraction becomes more and more obvious until someone makes a move, typically the man. That being said, some guys problems might not be being too ugly, but simply never being around girls.
>You can find plenty of stories of men who took action to get sex or a gf and were able to make it happen.
Can you though? That story-telling model comes to us from movies and books and PUA YouTube video skits...but does it actually happen IRL?
>I do agree that for most people it does just seem to happen more naturally, men and women mingle at school work or social gatherings and feel each other out and attraction becomes more and more obvious until someone makes a move, typically the man.
Right, everyone knows this is the norm.
And sometimes anons come on this board and say "Explain flirting to me, I don't understand flirting. What is flirting, exactly what are you supposed to say and do?" And nobody can tell them. And the REASON that no one can tell them is because "flirting" is literally ANYTHING people say once they are in the stage you describe in your post where "attraction has become more and more obvious". Once you are in that stage, you can talk about any dumb thing and the double entendres will leap out of it and just BE THERE. But if you are not in that stage, nothing you say (ever) and nothing you do (ever) will be flirting. And if you try to force flirting into existence when you aren't in this stage, that's "creepiness".
Why bother? Emotional damage of not having any sexual experience before 18 is already done. No women wants to teach a +25khhv guy in any right mind and its understandable. If you reach this point then you're a failure as a man.
>No women wants to teach a +25khhv guy
Well I found one
where did you find that woman, anon?
C'mon we're all friends here 🙂 don't want to leave a fellow khhv in the dirt right?
Probably by being attactive and just a latebloomer.
hello fellow retards, i have some actual good advice.
go travel to a country where hookers are legal. this was how i lost my virginity. it costed me $240 for a 10/10 cute blonde girl.
it was a huge boost of confidence and helped with low self esteem
>it was a huge boost of confidence and helped with low self esteem
Yeah nothing like paying a whore to do something that humans are hardwired to do.
If it feels natural, the person can have sex.