Ancient Egyptian DNA

Ancient Egyptian DNA

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    old news, yawn.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Can people here explain why are Westerners OBSSESSED with the genetics of Ancient Egyptians? Why not any other Eastern Civilization/ethnic group? We really don't give a frick. The same goes for the general interest in Ancient Egyptian history, especially in the 19th century (Egyptomania).
    t. Egyptian

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's simple, piramids, egyptians were legendary-tier of Epic and IQfytoric forever

      So what's the brown and light blue shit. Also Egyptians got blacked?

      they went back and forth, mostly forth, with some subsaharian kingdoms in the south, to the point where at some point those subsaharians went as far as controlling the gold mines that were in the south

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        So ancoent egyptians were basically a MENA construction?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          idk, the main dynasties had a frickton of R1b, and there's blonde and red haired pharoah mummies

          • 2 years ago
            fnart p. igger jr

            >had a frickton of R1b
            chadic

            >there's blonde and red haired pharoah mummies
            cosmetic, if you cant derive pigmentation from dna its meaningless

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >chadic
            prove it
            >cosmetic
            prove it, Ramses II's wiki page discards it as a dye, says it is legit genetic

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >chadic
            prove it
            >cosmetic
            prove it, Ramses II's wiki page discards it as a dye, says it is legit genetic

            Most Egyptian (and North African) R1b is v88.
            Apparently the Tutankhamun Y DNA is R1b-M269.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            source on the study?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            https://academic.oup.com/hmg/article/30/R1/R24/5924364#237746072
            There are no supplementals with more info on the sample.
            https://www.reuters.com/article/oukoe-uk-britain-tutankhamun-dna-idAFTRE7704OR20110801
            >The results showed that King Tut belonged to a genetic profile group, known as haplogroup R1b1a2
            At the time R1b1a2 was used to refer to m269.

            I say "apparently" because it was never confirmed and it may have been contaminated. I wouldn't be shocked if it was actually v88 or something else though.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Scientists at Zurich-based DNA genealogy centre, iGENEA
            It's the same centre that said E-v13 in the balcans is from Africa. Complete meme

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            How did R1b even get to north Africa? I thought it was born out in the volga

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Iron Gates and Villabruna might have had Chadic r1b (v88). There is some conflicting information available on the SNPs. We also have v88 in some weird neolithic dereivka samples on the Dnieper.
            From there it got into Africa either in PPNB (which wants a Villabruna source) or was picked up by some EEF in the Balkans (iron gates) and there was some sort of reflux from a Mediterranean route.

            If Tut was Western R1b (m269), then it maybe arrived from Bell Beakers or Hittites. We really don't know.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I really need to get some kind of starter book for haploposting. I'm guessing Horse, Wheel, and Language is too advanced for a beginner?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Anthony's book is excellent and anticipates a lot of the genetics but has some inaccuracies. It's very readable even without any background on the archeology or linguistics.

            There isn't a great way to get into the genetics aside from reading the actual studies, Davidski's blog etc. Knowing the phylogeny of some of the main haplogroups helps.
            The David Reich lab used to have a spreadsheet that was updated with all ancient samples and their haplogroups but it appears it currently isn't accessible to the public right now. You might be able to find a mirror to it or a similar file.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You are a gentlemen and a scholar. Thank you.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It's from Europe. An Italian farmer have V88 that is ancestral to the African lineage.

            https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-V88/

            R6
            R-Y8451

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Also, European mtDNA in Egyptian samples.

            U5b2b5 is the subclade of Upper Egyptian nomarch from 12th dynasty.

            H4a1 is the subclade of the daughter of priest of Amun from 600 BC or so.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Your image only shows samples from prehistoric europe, not egypt
            Most egyptian royalty had mtDNA K which was near eastern, and a bunch of different yDNA from R1b to E1b1a

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >most egyptian royalty
            The frick does this mean? Barely anyone got tested. And even the ones tested weren't published in any serious peer-reviewed journal.

            I posted where these haplogroups have been found.

            https://www.mdpi.com/2073-4425/9/3/135/htm
            For U5b2b5

            >The first reported case of the rare mitochondrial haplotype H4a1 in ancient Egypt
            For H4a1.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >farmer
            Kinda misleading because V88 was there in the mesolithic, probably in WHG populations. the example you posted is just a typical EEF/WHG mix (had light features like funnelbeaker) which was super common all over Europe before bronze age IE came in.

            >D'Atanasio et al. (2018) propose that R1b-V88 originated in Europe about 12 000 years ago and crossed to North Africa by about 8000 years ago
            >It first radiated within Africa likely between 7 and 8 000 years ago – at the same time as trans-Saharan expansions within the unrelated haplogroups E-M2 and A-M13 – possibly due to population growth allowed by humid conditions and the adoption of livestock herding in the Sahara. R1b-V1589, the main subclade within R1b-V88, underwent a further expansion around 5500 years ago, likely in the Lake Chad Basin region, from which some lines recrossed the Sahara to North Africa
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5809971/

            Seems like V88 went from Europe to Africa quite a while ago through the middle east

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It's not misleading. V88 most likely migrated to Africa as farmers.

            >Seems like V88 went from Europe to Africa quite a while ago through the middle east
            No. The article you posted also disagrees with you.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >farmer
            Kinda misleading because V88 was there in the mesolithic, probably in WHG populations. the example you posted is just a typical EEF/WHG mix (had light features like funnelbeaker) which was super common all over Europe before bronze age IE came in.

            >D'Atanasio et al. (2018) propose that R1b-V88 originated in Europe about 12 000 years ago and crossed to North Africa by about 8000 years ago
            >It first radiated within Africa likely between 7 and 8 000 years ago – at the same time as trans-Saharan expansions within the unrelated haplogroups E-M2 and A-M13 – possibly due to population growth allowed by humid conditions and the adoption of livestock herding in the Sahara. R1b-V1589, the main subclade within R1b-V88, underwent a further expansion around 5500 years ago, likely in the Lake Chad Basin region, from which some lines recrossed the Sahara to North Africa
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5809971/

            Seems like V88 went from Europe to Africa quite a while ago through the middle east

            It's definitely from Europe. The question is when it crossed into Africa. And whether its presence in EEF comes from 1. Villabruna->Levant or 2. is local and picked up by EEF in the Balkans before heading into the Mediterranean, or 3. something we haven't tracked yet.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I already agreed it was European. And it seems that it left Europe around 6000 BCE, right at the onset of the neolithic period there

            I personally think its something picked up by EEF in the balkans/southern europe. But I'm not sure, because we still see V88 in levantine populations. Not only this but we have other R1b subclades in the levant dating back to the neolithic, before IE people even existed. So maybe v88 went into the levant, and back again into europe, then back out?

            It's not misleading. V88 most likely migrated to Africa as farmers.

            >Seems like V88 went from Europe to Africa quite a while ago through the middle east
            No. The article you posted also disagrees with you.

            >No. The article you posted also disagrees with you.

            >The route of R-V88 toward the lake Chad basin probably passed through northeastern Africa rather than Arabia, considering the absence of R-V88 in the Horn of Africa.
            This agrees with me. Also how do you know that they were farmers specifically?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            There's NO LEVANT. Levant is unnecessary to explain its expansion and distribution.

            >Not only this but we have other R1b subclades in the levant dating back to the neolithic
            We have 0 R1b from the Levant from the Neolithic. There's one R1b from Chalcolithic Anatolia, but that's the Progress, Khvalynsk subclade, not V88.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Not only this but we have other R1b subclades in the levant dating back to the neolithic
            The Neolithic Levant was 100% E1b.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It wasn't. E1b, H2, T.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >E1b, H2, T.
            Source?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Lazaridis (2016)

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The papers. It's from PPNB.

            I checked the samples. There's only 1 H and 1 T. These are clearly outliers.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >These are clearly outliers
            why do you think that.

            Particularly given that we know there is a ton of T1 in copper age+bronze age levant

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They look the same. They aren't outliers. One of those CT is also H2.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The papers. It's from PPNB.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Ancient Egypt is, in many people's minds, the first great civilization, and different races want to lay claim that they were the first, so everyone wants their own race to be the race of the ancient egyptians. They haven't accomplished anything of merit in life so they try to siphon off the merit of past great men/civilizations.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Black Power movement trying to fight against the widespread social notion of Blacks being inferior that was prevalent at the time. In doing so, they clinged to the history of the entire continent and regardless of whether or not those groups were related to them. White Supremacist clinging on to the old idea that anything built by a an old civilization must have been created by an aryan white population that got diluted by mixing with a lower quality population. It's due to a larger trend in U.S socio- racial policies that only see race and ethnicity in strict binaries, Blacks, Whites, and Asians without any line between them. So other populations get lumped in with these and the rest gets erased. North Africans, Middle Easterns, and Central Asias are invisible when considering there history and differences from the already defined categories.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It’s the most epic civilization EVER

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Mogged by rome

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      they are also obsessed with we wuzzing as Indians, Chinese, arabs, and more

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Westerners just can't let blacks have anything.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    So what's the brown and light blue shit. Also Egyptians got blacked?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      So ancoent egyptians were basically a MENA construction?

      blue is anatolian farmer, brown is natufian or taforalt, teal is Iran N/CHG.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How do MENA muzzies cope with their israeli populations being purer than them?

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Holy frick Tunisia and Algeria. Quadroon mutts.

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