An open minded science guy here, if the spiritual world actually exists then why haven't anyone done a definitive demonstration to show that in this day and age?
Surely if you have a super natural power you can walk into MIT and ask them to set up a control experiment. And if you successfully show that the spiritual world exists then you will be rich and famous.
The spiritual world is in the mind. Science doesn't know too much about that because it deals with the physical aspect in the brain. To make matters worse, the current medications tend to do a lot of harm to the spiritual self. Science is really lagging behind a lot of knowledge.
I understand that but surely there must be a way to show that the spiritual world is real right? More people would be interested in this stuff if they know the world is not merely materialistic
You think people believe I see picrel 100 times a day based on the emotions and energies around me, and how it changes color when the atmosphere changes? You really think a scientist wants to research me and this guy Jan Marinus?
There are far more powerful/absurd powers out there, but being labeled mentally ill is very dangerous for your work, relationships, and ultimately, your life. After "falling through" the system with "unbelievable lies" you will be stripped of any credibility. I respect your normie way of thinking but this world is not what it seems.
It's hardly normie. I've only ever heard one person ever say that the spirit is the mind. Very few people recognize this because very few people study other languages. One good example is Japanese, which calls the mind "seishin" (精神) or essential spirit. There are other examples, but this one stands out to me.
I studied Sanskrit and know a little Japanese, I am aware of such words that cannot be translated directly, they also occur in Sanskrit and the Vedas. But it is irrelevant. Un-knowing is more important than material knowledge. Only in our dreamless and formless state are we allowed glimpses of beyond.
But there's not a single guy crazy enough to do it? Like no one out there just say say fuck it, I'll show the world the truth?
I've heard a lot of ghost stories or stories with some kind of spiritual power and it's hard to believe that they're all not true but at the same time without definitive evidence you can't make a conclusion.
There are multiple. But they are incoherent and not believed. Most sensible people realize that there is nothing to gain with going public or science. Only a few walk the commercial line between the spiritual, the believability and truth, for example Wim Hof, who is measured extensively on breaking human boundaries, but also seems to withhold some things from the public. If you watch the unveiling of his wifes memorial he says (suicide... Or whatever happened that day...) There is always more than you can go public with.
you think he sub zeroed her on accident?
>There are multiple. But they are incoherent and not believed
of course you can't convince people with words but if you can perform 1 successful experiment in a control environment, people will take you much more seriously.
who? I only know Nina Kulagina but she had been caught using tricks multiple times
Once it happens it gets rationalized as "science all along"
When it comes to spirituality most people are barely there.
so how do i train like what i did? What does he mean by properly breathing?
Just watch his channel. He has plenty of well-produced instructional vids with no ads or sales pitches.
>But there's not a single guy crazy enough to do it? Like no one out there just say say fuck it, I'll show the world the truth?
There has, they've since been silenced and their truths have been expunged.
If I ask you to contain water in a net, that would be impossible. We both would agree, if you were to ask me to capture that which is not in the confines of space and time, I would tell you to show me you can hold your water in a net.
lol scientists are literally manifested demons so have fun trying to prove the spirit world is real when those fuckers are in charge. Just be zen and let it go.
You're right about external proof. The James Randi Educational Foundation offered a million dollars for proof of any paranormal abilities. All the fakes and frauds like Uri Geller either didn't enter the challenge or cowardly jumped ship before attending.
So the closest we have of any paranormal proof is probably some monks changing body temp verifiably or Wim Hof with-standing cold or whatever. Which isn't necessarily paranormal at all.
Professional mediums are most likely all frauds or don't understand their very unstable abilities at all which makes them frauds. And they make money and get rich without scientific backing.
That's true aswell. Most spiritual experience is internal, non-verifiable and anecdotal and that while compelling and surely profound for the individual doesn't hold up to scientific scrutiny for all of mankind.
Science is dumb dude. Who cares about institutions and their studies? I only respected science because they could make purple fire which makes me feel like a wizard.
No, science is based and amazing and the paranormal people and scientists should work together and admit their limitations to each other.
Cringe like Geller buys huge mansions (pic related) thanks to gullible people but gets btfo by science and people like Randi. You know Randi was a magician, too, and could've fooled the world and grifted for that money but instead he exposed the fakes.
This guy said it better than me:
There is nothing funnier than watching mediums fail in long compilations or go ghost before proving themselves because most of them are just greedy, spineless grifters and an aversion to science aids them sometimes.
I don't care because I don't need influencers or influence. I just need to overcome the difficulties of this life.
He set out to prove his own worldview, not discover the truth.
He is a liar.
When it is measurable it stops being paranormal, now you're saying that it has to remain paranormal even after understanding it's nature, which is retarded circle logic meant to always have a way to discard extraordinary claims, if true it wasn't that special, if false then woo science wins again.
Before Win Hof if I told you I could fight back against disease with only my breathing you would call bullshit and so would the homosexual on your pic, but now that it was proven to be true you will just close your eyes and act like it was obvious all along and not proof that the limits of current science are not as hard as you would like to believe.
>you will be rich and famous
Not really. You'll end up way worse.
before you are able to complete the experiment, you will be suicided
thats not how things work, youre not allowed to talk about it or they vill abandon you.
theres no benefit in trying to prove it to anyone. literally
>uhhh you vill be so rich etc
you vill be offed, bucko
Don't care if they kill me. I'll keep on spreading the knowledge until they do something about it or everyone learns the truth. I know what they have done and they will be judged.
You make the false assumption that normal human faculties are capable of seeing the totality of existence
You can look at what spiritual people are doing right now, to bring spirituality into the world.
The window to avoid mass starvation through soil extinction is waning, but we can still help avoid pandemic levels of mass formation psychosis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRXrfIvRzNY
It does exist but its not on our plane of time and space.
I've asked the homosexuals that claim to practice magic for the simplest repeatable ritual that has a perceivable outcome, with a willingness to do whatever is necessary to properly do the ritual.
And you get nothing. It's just homosexuals reading old books and doing nonsense with the idea that they're somehow vaguely affecting the world at large or that their inner monologue or imagination are actually some other entity speaking to them.
While I don't think hallucinogenics take you anywhere other than your own mind, I can see how people could be led to believe in the spiritual realm due to how powerful the trips can be.
Everything about spirits or the spiritual realm is just endless cope.
The spiritual is not revealed to an untrained mind. Most low level workers do work with Spiritus of dust
No one really claims anything concrete because it's all spurious circlejerking.
I'm not asking for shit other than something concrete like "read w, x, and y, then perform this ritual/do this thing and receive z as your outcome." Reading a bunch of obscure books to get no other outcome then some pretend understanding of the universe that gives you no real actionable knowledge is just mental masturbation.
What the fuck are you talking about?
I dunno, I'd just like to filter out all the LARP bullshit and focus more collective autism on things like actual conspiracies, UFOs/UAPs, alternative history, etc. But I get it, LARPing is fun.
youre being fucking lazy
retardoid will ask you what the fuck youre talking about when you give him live remote views
absolutely useless pleb
If you want to get it so much then at least give out to be reach the same.
Do abrahamelin ritual if you so care, if not you re just projecting your own frustration.
>Everything about spirits or the spiritual realm is just endless cope.
but the 'brain in a jar' hypothesis gives an endless wick for imagination to burn on
if we only ever have our own consciousness to experience, and that consciousness experiences things very important and transformational for itself, does it truly matter much if other consciousneses arent effected and cant repeat it?
A negative outlook actually alters the physics behind magical/psychodynamic interactions with the world.
Intentions matter. You cannot prove a car operates if you refuse to entertain first that one must turn a key and crank the engine. You cannot disprove any car works if you are not even trying to find the ignition switch.
no one here claims of being able to move objects with their mind or something.
get a load of the remote view guy, hes legit
edward riordan on them tubes.
stop trying to ask for more than anyone could ever give, thats a retard take from polnaggers.
basically he figured out that q is a quantum ai somewhere in antartica from 100s of thousands years ago.
also figured out what the jab is. just by doing random shit on a piece of paper.
obviously i know q is BS but it being the thing controlling all the npc makes perfect sense to me.
youre basically talking to this thin when you talk to the next random person. youre not talking to a human.
take from that what you will, all im doing is schizo babbling in my sleep. im not even there.
why would they give ~~*elitist*~~ any info? you know they are smarter than scientists and their masters
theres probably only 20k or maybe 50k humans left and the rest are just genetically manipulated npc controlled by this quantum ai.
yea well, what gives.
i think i was send here for some reason i didnt figure out yet and i probably wil...
they say im here to enslave them
whatever that means.........
The problem is how we define things mostly and that sciences deal with effects rather than primary causes. But if you understand the 'spiritual' as an old way of understanding psychology and informatics much in the same sense that alchemy & astrology were earlier understandings of chemistry & astronomy.
Information is more animated than most realize and is a becoming very advanced as we move towards a computational understanding of physics over a purely mathematical one.
So I would postulate that if physicalism is true and the universe is best understood as computational that includes our experiences. That's implied assumptions of physicalism and computational physics.
A lot of people don't like to think that dreams, visualization, psychedelics and NDEs all go to the same 'place' to different a degree. That our imaginations are indeed physical that obey the laws of nature, rather than a pre-informatics of the 'magic confabulation machine'.
its a grift making you believe that the npc are not allready hooked to a machine.
literally remote viewing here right now
what i'm eating?
this is not how it works
keep practicing then
you keep sitting here and let those that are able to make the difference do their thing pleb
you piece together random shit and try to make sense of it
the remote voice comes from the right side of your head, never the left
you can suck on it
Open-minded my ass, lol. Could you please go to the bottom of the sea and explain surface air breathing to fish? Take your scuba helmet off and demonstrate it to them. Underwater. Different layers of reality mix like water and oil. Neither the high layers can be located, proven or disproven by lower scientific methods of this reality, nor are scientific constants like time, space and gravity of any use in the higher planes.
One might be a spiritual being of undescribable proportions and an easily killable autistic homeless bum in this reality.
But if you were actually open minded, you would know that already.
remote viewing is not magic
is this even about RV
why would anyone give a fuck about someones protein bar with a plastic wrapper
literally takes 30min to get in the state and then you start spewing random shit, sometimes its right sometimes its wrong. always depends
what is ze color of ze plastic wrapper of my nutty protein bar
If you have a closed system, how do you prove the system outside the closed system?
>If you have a closed system
no closed system exists
because of quantum physics
in fact quantum events are the only source of conscious (as in "free will") input into this physical hell
It is closed for those with their eyes wide shut
>no closed system exists
How would you know, if you are the one inside the closed system?
This is not a closed system.
Quantum physics denies the existence of any closed system.
im rustling these chains my boy
>Nah I'll just keeo summoning science fags like you here and keeping you here forever.
Come on in we're listening to number stations.
I was typing a response but then realize this is just Plato's cave.
Some people see it, come back and talk about it's retards act as if their shitty cave is all there is while others go out and explore the up until then impossible barriers of the mind.
You're trying to reproduce sunshine in a dark cave, you won't ever understand until you're willing to engage with spirituality on its own terms and not yours.
>You're trying to reproduce sunshine in a dark cave, you won't ever understand until you're willing to engage with spirituality on its own terms and not yours.
Best way to put it. I accomplished nothing whatsoever spiritually until I gave up a lot of my ego.
Look up Rupert Sheldrake
There's always a bigger fish and we see jack-shit.
>Be me a wizard
>Can do spirit stuff
>Atheist ask why don't I show my power to gain scrap metal and inked papers
>I ain't israelite
>I don't need shekels
>I'm a passerby
MIT cannot even see my dreams. Tell me why I should respect these hack frauds? An entire 3rd of our lives completely invisible to them.
You would have your character assassinated and ridiculed, and the work dismissed.
Any person who would work with you would be ridicules by their colleagues as a retard, and have their carriers and reputation ruined.
Do you honestly think the people in academia is primarily interested in the truth?
They're interested in getting prestige, money, a pad on the bank, not having to leave school, scratching an intellectual itch, having their self image as smart being validated, and be told their right.
Most people have no interest in having their whole world view crumble, as it is massively destabilizing to the psyche.
Its not like demonstrations aren't already posted on the internet. Watch some of trebor7 telekinesis videos on YouTube.
If that isn't good enough ecidence, learn about Damien Echols story and how he used magic to get out of death row after being innocently convicted.
I don't know about people with "super powers", but saying that there should be proof of a spiritual world is like saying gamma rays didn't exist 1000 years ago because there was no way to prove it.
its usually dismissed as projecting
Corporations and ideologically charged people of power, squash current anti cash grab politically friendly science. Anything status quo breaking would be ignored willfully, even if cover ups fail.
Authority receives powers via being seen as right and legitimate, potent magic now is just as much of a threat as divergent science was to the medieval Catholic church.
Spreading proof around would endanger both you and me.
If you want a solution, it is in making people less eager to burn witches, literally, and metaphorically, and yes, those people still exist.
Anon there is something called Logos and Gnosis. Logos is knowledge built by experiment and and testing, gnosis is knowledge only gained by direct experience which is what spiritual knowledge is. So here are Some Things:
1. We humans are limited by our material realities, we can not see or prove spiritual concepts. Knowledge in these things comes from subjective experience
2. The spiritual isn't a cut out model, rather it is a mystery that can only be experienced (meditation, ritual, psychedelics, synchronicity etc). It is through experience that even most scientific like Carl Jung became strong believers in the spiritual
3. Trying to prove spiritual forces via material means like camera, audio recorder, ghost hunting shows is a severe misunderstanding of the spiritual (which is why they will never work). The spiritual outside of subjective effect, cannot be detected by material means. Julius Evola, one of the most influential traditionalists of the 20th century, actually hated spiritual objective proof mongering via material concepts. He rightfully argued that "magic"/sprirtual comes from experience first, and theories worked as a verbal reduction for communication when experience couldn't be provided. Even Plato one of the greatest spiritual philosophers of the west got his ideas by practicing Orphic rituals
So Anon, stop over thinking and being lost in mental masturbation and theories. Choose a practice, either do psychedelics or try meditation, maybe join a group with rituals. Spirit cannot be found in theoretical models. Also read "Sun and Steel" by Yukio Mishima, in his book he tells how the greatest knowledge isn't spoken but experienced and this is coming from a successful novelist. This is one of the faults of the modern world, we tell people to take empty thoughts without experience as superior to phenomena that can't be described in words, but makes infinite sense to those who've felt/experienced it.
> I'm a science guy
I stopped reading there.