Where do Amazigh people come from?
We know modern Berbers are mostly descendants of local IBM-like men and EEF-rich women, but was the Urhemait of the the Berber branch of the Afroasiatic languages already located in the Maghreb?
Where do Amazigh people come from?
We know modern Berbers are mostly descendants of local IBM-like men and EEF-rich women, but was the Urhemait of the the Berber branch of the Afroasiatic languages already located in the Maghreb?
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They are the actual natives who've been living there for thousands of years now.
Everybody know this
But thats not the subject
No at all
Semites / Hamites
Gorgeous. If only these girls were the ones turning up in rubber dingies.
They're the rapebabies of Phoenician men and Iberomaurusian women, what ancient authors called Lybo-Phoenicians.
>Urhemait of the the Berber branch of the Afroasiatic languages
Probably somwhere between Libya and Egypt.
Proto-Afro-Asiatic is either from Africa (Northeast Africa) or Asia (Levant), but Proto-Berber is surely from North Africa.
doubt, proto afroasiatic was probably from southeast egypt / east sudan / eritrea. proto berber was probably from egypt, just west of the nile
Wouldn't Natufians be an intuitive pick for Proto-AA?
they look whiter than italians and spanish ppl lol
>they look whiter than italians and spanish ppl lol
They look like Armenians...
You're blind anon.
who are whiter than italians and spanish yup
nigga, you're a berber, you're not whiter than anyone, you're only whiter than east africans and naggers
armenians are whiter than northwest africans
Is Algeria a good place to find a wife?
Why waste your genetics
>Why waste your genetics
He obviously is a black guy that finds black women extremely unattractive.
Blacks will disappear in the west due to their obsession with mixing and hating their own women.
>hating their own women.
Can you blame them?
>Can you blame them?
No. But they should have some shame at least and keep their hate of their women to themselves. I’ve sat in school and had black guys randomly tell how much they hate black women, it’s understandable but embarrassing
they won't since the world will be 40% black in 50 years, 70%+ black if you only count the young
black men will be forced to like their own women or go gay or fight to the death for the last few young non black women funnily enough
> 40% black in 50 years, 70%+ black if you only count the young
Unless you’re counting mixed race people as black, I don’t think this will be true. There are black groups who are already ceasing to exist due their obsession with mixing such as the Caribbean community in Europe. They’ve been replaced by a horde of mulattos instead.
>black men will be forced to like their own women or go gay or fight to the death for the last few young non black women funnily enough
Black men would rather go gay than date their own women, Atlanta is proof of this. Blacks were flirting with white women during segregation/jim crow even though they knew the punishment for that was death. What makes you think they won’t engage in gladiator level violence over the last non-black kween?
>Unless you’re counting mixed race people as black, I don’t think this will be true.
i'm not, almost all of this growth will take place in sub saharan africa, not the west
yes, but muslim women are not allowed to date non-muslim men
no, they only date blacks and they are snakes
there's a french comic about beurette that perfectly illustrates their shit personalities.
>there's a french comic about beurette that perfectly illustrates their shit personalities.
I only saw a handful of panels from it. I only remember the part where they pretend to be tradwives when they're visiting other people to fish for compliments
it's well known in france
i heard it's real phenomenon there and in belgium too
that would explain their massive representation on LULZ
it's real in france, belgium and the netherlands, i actually feel a bit sorry for them
>that would explain their massive representation on LULZ
youre shooting yourself in the foot here youre literally on LULZ.
>misses the point
relax brown man
So demographics that are over represented in LULZ have their women crave BBC?
Good to know.
They are cuckolded heavily there
Amateur sample: opinion discarded
Exactly as this anon said
algerian men would rather marry old european woman than their own and the opposite is true as well
>that would explain their massive representation on LULZ
>algerian men would rather marry old european woman than their own and the opposite is true as well
All maghrebis, no exceptions. they are all the same culturally
Why are Berbers so good-looking? I'm in love with those Med girls.
white girls like these are my faves, caucasian features plus some swarthiness and exoticness is a hell of a combo
They look generic med. Could literally be equally Berber Syrian Turk or Italian.
>white girls like these are my faves, caucasian features plus some swarthiness and exoticness is a hell of a combo
They're not white...
It means more than skin color...
You like shitskins, dead brown eyes, brown hair, shaved off monobrows, middle-eastern noses and lips. Rare genetic diseases due to inbreeding.
none of the girls look specifically "middle eastern", all 3 look generic pan-med, could be moroccan, italian, syrian, tunisian, turkish, israeli, greek, you name it
distinctly middle eastern features would be the features of people like Bin Laden, Donnarumma, Mia Khalifa, etc
>none of the girls look specifically "middle eastern", all 3 look generic pan-med, could be moroccan, italian, syrian, tunisian, turkish, israeli, greek, you name it
Anon is blind.
anon was coping hard, pan med doesn't exist
pan med sounds like the name of dish, only a berber could come up with that lmao
berbers love to use these meaningless terminologies to try and attach themselves to non north africans
it's the same dude, he first used white, when he understood how totally ridiculous it is for a berber to call himself white he's kind of changing his strategy
at least he understood that he's not white
they look italian or spanish not white. they're not white just because they're pretty retard
>swarthiness and exoticness
weird way to say "non-white", tanned whites look different
they aren't white and they aren't "spanish" or "italian" that are also not white
they are quadroons
I wish quadroons looked as good as these women
Instead they look like pic.
Venti is 30-35% SSA tho
it's thanks to their strong african shift compared to other caucasoids, they have queen genetics like very big asses
i can see the resemblance, no wonder anthropologists considered them all part of the same Med race
more like this
Who the fuck inspires to be spanish of all things lmao
doubt, iberians are too brown-adjacent looking. self-hating latinos want to look "germanic"
the irony of this image lol, lmao even
You wish brownitos
compared to a arab berber than man is white
no spanish are as brown as arabs if not browner
the lack of self-awareness of the juanitos is something else
last spaniard i saw was picrel, she was complaining about getting dumped by her Aryan-looking white Dutch boyfriend, legit though she was a latinx or something because she looks browner than me and i'm not even white
me on the left
oh my god, another thread about these shitskins with the usual cherrypicked pictures that still look like shitskins
non-berber here, none of the pictures look cherrypicked
berber here, they look cherrypicked
non-berber here, they do not. most of the females here are swarthy, one of the op girls even look like a pseudo-viet kid
berber here, they really are cherrypicked
shut the fuck up you pathetic berber, close that african mouth of yours for 5 seconds
>these round alpine snouts
The absolute state of farmnaggers, even literal SSA-ancestry didn't improve their appearance. Just the eternal slave race.
>even literal SSA-ancestry didn't improve their appearance
to be fair they're only 6% SSA (assuming these kids are riffian/kabyle-like), that's hardly enough to substantially change an ethnic group's appearance as a whole
riffians are 25% african minimum, that's enough to change their quadroon appearance
>riffians are 25% african minimum,
Why do you lie though. Kabyles and Riffians are ~30% Taforalt, which is around ~12% SSA. And then 0-3% Yoruba type SSA.
why do YOU lie? coastal nafris are 5-10% west african and 30% taforalt that is half african making them 20-25% african, hence their position in the pca explained
15% black is a lot. how do berbers have the balls to say theyre white when they're octaroons toplel
why use neolithic anatolians for nafris when their non-black ancestors moved in during the paleolithic/mesolithic?
I'm Riffian. How are you going to cope with this?
Yoruba are part IBM btw, so doesn't make sense to use them.
>Yoruba are part IBM btw, so doesn't make sense to use them.
yoruba only have a tiny fraction of IBM according to an unpublished pre print
now use eth_mota that is fully african instead of a literal pygmy
They're 15% IBM.
Here are the results with them anyway.
Exactly the proportions I said.
they're not according to that preprint, they're less, but i'm not here to talk about unpublished trash or your meme sample
Distance: 10.7326% / 0.10732557
Distance: 12.3368% / 0.12336836
Any model that doesn't use IBM will be bad, because ANA was closer to OOA Eurasians than other SSAs, but it didn't undergo the OOA bottleneck, so doesn't share the main Eurasian drift.
but that main drift with eurasians is the thing that differentiate africans from eurasians the most, the OOA Eurasians weren't genetically eurasians before the eurasian bottleneck
hence why despite the 0.1 distance, the distance would be even worse without using an african proxy(or an africanized population as a proxy)
>how do berbers have the balls to say theyre white
no berber truly believes that, we say berbers are white just to mock people who unironically think le "white race" exists and because berbers are indeed officially "white" in census of some countries
if i were american (berbers are white according to their census bureau) i would refuse to be officially "white" and would rather be officially a PoC just to get affirmative action benefits / gibsmedat lol
>no berber truly believes that, we say berbers are white just to mock people who unironically think le "white race" exists
this is cope, berbers think they are white, you guys are extremely self hating, you are very overrepresented in genetic online spaces far more than any other mena, hence why everyone knows your copes and self hate
>far more than any other mena
Not true. It goes khaleejis > lebos > nafris. You would know this if you knew Arabic.
that's complete bullshits and you know it, berbers are number one
especially when it comes to genetic autism , gulfies are much fewer and when they do it's usually shit about language or "mah great great great grandfather was part of this muh tribe directly connected to mohammed" that is far more healthy than what berbers do
>mah great great great grandfather was part of this muh tribe directly connected to mohammed
not that anon, but pretending to be directly related to Mohammed is more autistic than larping as white simply because blood relation is objective, "whiteness" is an arbitrary concept
>pretending to be directly related to Mohammed is more autistic than larping as white simply because blood relation is objective, "whiteness" is an arbitrary concept
Oh right, so the middle eastern Berban idiot calls whiteness "objective" when convincing you that he's white.
But is becomes a "subjective aritrary concept" when people inform him that he isn't white.
Lol, That simply means you have no idea what white/Caucasian means.
Here is a list of Ethnic country inhabitants that ARE white.
Any whites/caucasians residing in other parts of the world originally came from land that is part of these modern day territory borders.
Not on the list?
Finns are the whitest people in the world.
They are light Asians.
Jens Byggmark is half-Saami, but even with his higher than average Siberian introgression he still looks whiter than southrons.
in terms of facial features no he southrons look whiter than him and finns in general.
The thing with Finns and some Saami is that extreme cold and limitless ice selects for slit type eyes.
1) To protect the eyes from "snow blindness" due to reflective UV light off snow that can burn your retina, rendering you permanently blind.
2) To prevent your eyes from freezing due to a blizzard or as you are sleeping. Frostbite eyes are obviously a bad idea.
So the question is whether they have slit eyes due to Asian admixture or if it is convergent evolution.
Any info would be welcome.
>Here is a list of Ethnic country inhabitants that ARE white.
churkabros, we can't stop winning
>"whiteness" is an arbitrary concept
based, moroccans killing themselves as we speak
> but pretending to be directly related to Mohammed is more autistic than larping as white simply because blood relation is objective, "whiteness" is an arbitrary concept
i don't think so, pretending to be directly related to Mohammed is something even ancient conquerors did, while you guys are autistic online-only incels trying to convince the world that water isn't wet and you're totally not quadroons
>this larp is ok but this larp isnt
imagine being this mindbroken by berbers
berbers hate him because he told the truth
have you noticed how berbershits hate it when you tell them the actual definition of white: the people of northern europe, especially northwestern europe?
i've never seen anyone being so butthurt about not being white, middle easterners, turks, southern europeans, iranians, central asians..... all whiter than berbers and all of them understand this, they may protest a bit at the start but after a while they get it, while berbers seem unable to accept it
They are more obsessed with proving southern europeans are not white
that's because in the past an italian and a spanish dude headbutted with them here
and that's the whole tragedy here, they don't even manage to be close to those southerners europeans, even they don't want to be associated with them and for good reason, the same goes for middle easterners or anyone else really
>we are white
when you make them notice how distant they are from an englishman...
>we are med
when you make them notice how distant they are from a greek...
>we are like middle easterners
when you make them notice how distant they are from a palestinian...
>SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP WE ARE NORDIC BERBERS ARYAN WE DESCEND FROM ARYAN MEN AHHHHH
the most pathetic group of people here
>we are white
dont care about being white its arbitrary
>>we are med
arbitrary too for example spaniards are rather different from greeks and vice versa the only consistency to medness is a vaguely swarthy caucasoid.
>>we are like middle easterners
no berbers thinks theyre middle eastern unless theyre an arabist who dont even identify as berber
mostly artifical distances caused by ANA(not ssa) ancestry, functionally wont matter much tho.
threads after berber threads of we wuz white and trying to dismantle whiteness when you get told that you're not white
posts by one person yes you guys see one retard and hold a grudge on berbers thats how mindbroken and obsessed you are, you literally spend hours posting about us, i bet your last words in your death bed "damned quadroons"
>arbitrary too for example spaniards are rather different from greeks and vice versa the only consistency to medness is a vaguely swarthy caucasoid.
The only consistent definition of med is actually "very high ANF". That's it.
that would make a lot of non meds (like belgians. romanians, bulgarians, macedonians and probably others) more med than a lot of levantines, turks, egyptians and northwest africans
so that definition wouldn't be very consistent
That's because Natufian is very close to ANF. Remove Natufian from your model and see how it changes. Probably will go something like 66% ANF 33% Taforalt.
youre quoting a "berbershit" retard you think im with you? and no berber is concerned with white except one person here, whiteness is an artibtrary concept it will never be real as im proving.
>berber threads after berber threads of we wuz white and trying to dismantle whiteness when you get told that you're not white
>berbers concerned about being white
lmao, i think some people here are mistaking italians, spaniards and portuguese anons who even bleach their hair to look whiter for "berbers" because of their physical swarthoid overlap
north africans care 10x more about "being arab" and "related to a *insert a Muhammad companion here*" than about being white, same can be said about levantines (except diaspora christian lebs),
>and no berber is concerned with white except one person here
fun fact, that anon isn't even a berber
>fun fact, that anon isn't even a berber
where does he come from according to you?
>where does he come from according to you?
the berbers are "white caucasian" anon? he is not a berber, sometimes he larps as levantine or turk, always doing the same shit. this is him, just saying:
i could sense he wasnt berber something seemed off about him he always talked in Third person.
i'm not Nafri and i wasn't LARPing as a turk. Balkan turks and western turks look white af
i AM lebanese
i doubt we'll ever know your real nationality
can you like... not bring us up anymore? thank you
stop posting homosexual
because when you center whiteness around northern europe (as the entire world does consciously or not) berbers occupy the lowest place in the pyramid, even some shitskinned greek is some kind of white aryan supersoldier compared to the whitest of berbers
you don't even need to restrict yourself to europe, many many non europeans are whiter than berbers even some very far away people like pashtuns and balochis in pakistan
this wouldn't normally be a problem but berber identity is centered around being whiter than the arab identifying people in northwest africans and often being "whiter" than middle easterners(those vile evil arabs that conquered muh land), sometimes it's even being "whiter" than some europeans
this causes a psychological breaking point, an incongruency, a joke on a cosmic level, you that accused all the people around you of being shitskins are actually as white or most of times less white than all these people
this is a good explanation, i think all the anons here should read this
it's about the "pyramid of whiteness", berbers can accept being less white than a german but they hate the fact that they are less white than someone from turkey, or iran, or syria or greece, or afghanistan or turkmenistan, this is what makes them mad, berber identity is focused on hating the other on the base of racial supremacy
hating the brown (but still whiter) iranian, or syrian or greek, or afghanistani or turkmenistani and claiming to be racially superior and whiter than them is the basis of berber identity, since it can't sustain itself on language alone
when this certainty is broken, when the truth(being less white than all those people) is revealed, the berber recoils greatly, his first target. the moroccan/algerian/tunisian arab, that they think are the source of everything bad about their situation
>his first target. the moroccan/algerian/tunisian arab
hi canadian diaspoRAT you will never be arab
you know better than me that to a moroccan berber there's no greater injury than to compare him to a moroccan arab
these berbers live in their own worlds, in their own fantasies alas these fantasies are shattered once they leave their world, once they set foot in the west, their entire identity, their ego, forever destroyed by the impact with reality
now you're not a berber anymore, nah no one cares about your language, you're just a brown, a nafri, one of them, some try to attach themselves to this berber identity and idealized some berber past that never existed
what better way to live if not by throwing all your problems at the moroccan arabs, the resentment turns into hate, it's because you are mixed with them that you are considered brown and african it's because you come from the same countries that you are consideredbrown and african, it's because they are the majority and they speak an arab language that you are considered brown and african, it's because they also follow islam that you are considered brown and african, if only those evil moroccan arabs didn't exist
and thus a berber is born
i will not read that wall of text all im gonna say no amount of larping will make you arab unfortuantly. morocco was built berbers, the traditional clothing is berber, the food is berber, your entire arape identity is based on 20th century ideological larp and makhzen propoganda. no amount of making fun of white larp will make your arab larp anymore valid.
i know that in your resentful berber heart you can't conceptualize a world without hating the other and you think the moroccan arabs must be like you, and must hate the berbers but the funniest thing is that this is not mutual, despite your senseless impotent hate towards moroccan arabs (and yourself for being associated with moroccan arabs), moroccan arabs don't hate you, moroccan arabs don't care about berbers
no amount of deflection will make you a real arab
i actually pity you, you must look in the mirror and see some kind of nazi propaganda poster boy, while everyone else sees you as a moroccan arab that speaks a funny sub language of afro asiatic
it's actually pretty funny seeing your exploits here, trying hard to convince anyone that you are white and all the european posters making fun of you for that, it's probably not that different from reality, when you convince people in france that you are a white and the french probably make fun of you behind your back while they respect the moroccan arabs
it's a sad existence, the result of a toxic berber culture based around hating the moroccan arabs, based around white superiority
i dont care about your meaningless meaningless word salad, it wont make you arab.
the rif will never be independent
you will never be white
>the rif will never be independent
im not a seperatist
>you will never be white
nor have i said i am
100% this, we consider them misguided (by the french)
arab identity was literaly perpetuated by the french they favored arab identity and institutions and sought to arabize the the country
you will never be arab
arabisation was supported by the french
the poster behind these posts btw
you will never be arab
that's biased, and in favor of berbers
here read pic rel
How berbers as an indegenous category was created by western / french "Historians"
hi joseph you will never be arab, also your book is biased and in favor arabs(that never existed)
berber will never be more than a language it's not a real ethnicity, and it was almost dead before the french resurrected it
they fooled you retards to destabilize morocco and algeria and you literal low iq tards fell for it
what being a french mongrel does to a mf. the french really love arabism dont they.
and it worked, the makhzen has this constant thorn in its side, these separatists always causing problems in the rif region because they were misguided during colonization
they really don't get it, they're doing europes bidding, they're destroying the country and for nothing, the europeans will still see them as the same
Morocco isn't our country, in fact I would have preferred to be under Spanish authority, considering the respect that Spaniards have for our language and our identity which they showed in Melilia and Sebta
The 3robis have done worse than Spaniards by kicking us out to replace us in our own cities (Tangier, Tetouan, Laarache, Nador..), these rifarian cities once filled with white Berbers who owned a unique history are now cosmopolitan cities filled with 9hwis with loose morals
LMAO, just ahahahaahah
much whiter than your ugly 9hwi ass, ya l3robi
here, got a picture closer to reality
do the spaniards want you tho?
they consider you subhumans and no different from other moroccans, tell a spaniard that he's close to a coastal moroccan and he's throw a fit and call you subhuman brown, moroccan arabs are the only ones that entertain your berberist bs
lol you took the wrong case
Spaniards know perfectly well the difference between the riffians and other moroccans, in fact Riffians have a very good reputation in Spain
spaniards think of you as "those brown moroccans we have nothing to do with us that speak some other funny language that isn't arab"
imagine sucking the cocks of the spaniards, the absolute state of riffian cuckolds
the independence of the rif will never be a reality, keel begging for european cum in your basement in belgium
hes retarded but youre not any better by sucking makhzen and arab cum while not even being arab
you're probably a guerbouz not riffian
too bad that I spent most of my life in Spain, it's not a 3robi who will teach me how the Spanish see us
no you idiot 3robis suck but the spanish arent any better.
no need to say white just say berbers we dont need to be white
not all berbers are white tho
Also, I much prefer Spanish to 3robi, at least they look like me unlike the descendants of abid el Bukhari.
nah spaniards are equally bad and are one of riffians biggest enemies. you should see how they potrayed us in their propoganda.
lol even El Khattabi didn't consider spaniard like our absolute enemies, don't be a cry boy, there has always been a link between our two peoples and it's not a war that lasted 5 years that will tear that apart
>how they potrayed us in their propoganda
Africanists don't represent the average spanish
stop cucking to spaniards just to spite 3robis diaspoRAT its embrassing youre probably not even riffian and false flagging, the spanish have always been been always will our enemies.
>the spanish have always been been always will our enemies
And yet our ancestors traded with them, there were several exchanges between our two peoples, if they were really our enemies we would have revolted the minute the Spaniards colonized our lands and the El Khattabi family would never have been able to survive in their tribe when they collaborated with the Spaniards
literally stfu what exactly compelled you to cuck for spaniards? you can shit on 3robis without bringing spaniards in you POS
>And yet our ancestors traded with them
trading with enemies is common historically
> if they were really our enemies we would have revolted the minute the Spaniards colonized our lands
we did besides the land was given to them by the french.
>and the El Khattabi family would never have been able to survive in their tribe when they collaborated with the Spaniards
what are you even blabbering about, youre probably not even riffian but falseflagging.
Didn't El Khattabi collaborate with Spanish?
Whether you like it or not, the Spaniards are our brothers and, as between brothers, there have always been disputes and reconciliations.
you are not riffian, spaniards are not our brother they are our enemies PERIOD. it wasnt a minor dispute it was a war with killings and executions and tho this day we shit on spaniards. infact spaniards allied with 3robis and makhzen to kill riffians this is a fact.
>sucking up to spaniards of all creatures
Kys. You're literally worse than a makhzen worshipping 3robi.
theres no way a fellow riffian would suck this much spanish cock hes probably a algayrian or 3robi false flagging.
you know what actually worked? decades of arabist propoganda supported by the french and their makhzen puppets, infact it was makhzen that welcomed the french to morocco with welcome arms while berbers bravely fought against them. makhzen are truly the biggest traitors.
the separatist fuck that wants to literally destroy the country accusing anyone of being a traitor is rich
im not a seperatist i just hate the traitorous makhzen and their mongrel dog supporters.
the rif will never be independent, abandon this berberist french ideology, because this is what berberism has become, an ideology of hatred
are you that homosexual arabist pos "decolonizingalgeria" or one of his underlings, or are you joseph the half french mutt parroting what that guys says
in both cases you aren't arab, if you're jopseh you're not even maghrebi you french mutt
>berber identity and idealized some berber past that never existed
one of the first things the almohads did is force all imams including the ones in andalus to make lectures in berber aswell as call to prayer in berber, they also prayed to the direction of tinmal in the atlas mountains instead of mecca.
samefagging too much, 3robi?
i can only imagine his cognitive dissonance over getting mad at white larp and then proceeding to larp a a pure arab mohammed dscendant from hijaz. atleast berber identity is authentic and based on ancestry, on the other hand his is pure larp and nothing else.
>berber identity is focused on hating
calm yourself these are simply the behaviour of some of the insecure diaspora
your regular berber is poor af doesn't know much about the world and live peacefully in his mountains he couldn't care less about "whiteness" or whatever that means
ya l3robi, you're closer to naggers than to Arabs
What is the pca from
Again…not true. Gulfies are busy arguing over who is really arab and spend thousands on dna testing to try and win online arguments over who the real arabs there. It is mainly a Saudi phenomenon to the point it’s becoming a running joke. Lebos are in second place as they try to prove they’re totally not arab. Berbers and other haploautists are relatively normal in comparison
>Lebos are in second place as they try to prove they’re totally not arab.
There's are no need to prove anything, they are not.
They are and always be, no matter how much it irritates them.
Yes retard, every swarthoid is an Arab.
Lebos are not special nor different to any other Arab. Fuck off back to Sydney
Yes, they are not different from "Arab" Palestinian Christians from Bayt Saahoor and the likes. Assyrians, Samaritans, Cypriots, are all "Arabs" too.
>spends entire days strenuously arguing in favor of the whiteness of berbers
>w-we were j-j-just joking
always the same anon making the same thread over and over again followed by the same 6% SSA cope
riffians are 5-10% west african and 30% iberomaurusian that is half african, hence 25% african/non eurasian, hence why they plot like 1/4 africans
Can you post a PCA? Lying freak
damn, and that includes coastal tunisians, the berbers are an african people
We are nowhere near africa/africans you retard.
No shit genius I said you are quadroons not literal full africans
yes, they kinda plot like afros, they are 25% non eurasian at the end of the day
berbers after they see a plot and they are extremely distant from any caucasoid population be like: yep we've basically the same
man their ANA deep ancestry really drifts them on PCAs, that and their 6% SSA
yes, your african/non eurasian admixture really drift you towards africans in pcas
being 25% literal non eurasian is quite significant
>being 25% literal non eurasian is quite significant
lmao that was tarofalt not modern nafris, nafris have been getting bleached over the centuries
>lmao that was tarofalt not modern nafris, nafris have been getting bleached over the centuries
taforalt was half african, look at your admx chart, they are SUCCESSFULLY modeled as 1/4 hadza and 1/4 yoruba
modern nafris are quadroon as your admixture chart shows
more like 30-70 ssa-basal
if i were a berber i would be proud of being 15-20% non-SSA indigenous ANA (proto-Eurasian sister group), that's a lot
most europeans are barely 10% indigenous WHG
you are a berber tho, and don't seem very proud of your african/non eurasian ancestry
and stop with this word salad, you make yourself recognizable, always the same coper
It's him, the self hating quadroon
yes it's a lot of african ancestry that makes you 1/4 african
moroccans, tunisians, algerians, they are all brown as fuck quadroons
these are the nordic algerians and tunisians i head so much about
hands down the most naggerish people in the MENA
he doesn’t know about omanis, saudis and yemenis…
less african than coastal berbers
what about omanis? visit any major city in saudi excluding the holy cities (most there are tourists) and see how “arab” saudis look. i don’t even need to comment on yemenis they are all at least 25% black but cope by saying the original arabs were dark skin kek
>the original arabs were dark skin
but that's true. yemenis are the most natufian genetically and saudis among the most basal eurasian
>but that's true
yemeni cope. you will never be arab, cross the red sea and go home.
>yemenis are mixed with somalis at best, and somalis are already natufian+nilote mulattos anyway
no, most mixed yemenis are the descendants of tanzanian women and yemeni men.
do you...really think there are yemenis browsing this board?
>no, most mixed yemenis are the descendants of tanzanian women and yemeni men.
aren't they shunned or something? like an untouchable caste?
>do you...really think there are yemenis browsing this board?
why wouldn’t there be? they live in the west and have internet access. they own liquor stores and pump out alcohol to aa’s.
>aren't they shunned or something? like an untouchable caste?
yes, it’s very sad as racism is haram and they really are no different to the average yemeni who larps as arab. they should both vacate the country and leave it to real arabs
sorry anon but the assimilated one is you
i don’t need to larp as arab unlike yemenis. first you say yemenis mixed with somalis but then post this map that excludes them kek. it’s OK to not be arab. yemenis should accept this and not act shocked when other arabs exclude them. i don’t need to be a berber to see these pretenders for what they are. it’s sad actually
i think you might be retarded
why is it haram to say yemenis are not arabs and most gullies are mixed?
who cares about khaleejis?
they are the pinnacle of arab-ness. it should be unlawful to allow mulattos with living black grandmothers to call themselves arab. although they have a stronger claim to the arab name than yemenis
>what about omanis?
same as saudis, yemenis and emiratis
tho they are more african on average but still less than northwest africans
even as a saudi 10% yoruba wouldn't be enough to make you as african as your average northwest african
saudis and yemenis are literally in the same admixture chart
first row, they are less african
KSA and yemen may have more africans but nafris are more african genetically
ksa africans are either immigrants (minority) or the descendants of black women and ksa men (the majority). they’re only allowed to stay because they descend from ksa men. i’d wager the average saudi has a black great great great grandmother. yemenis are just mulattos larping as arab
lmao, berbers get so angry when someone points out their elevated africaness (higher than basically anyone on average except literal africans below the sahara and east africans) but than turn around and are are very quick to call anyone a nagger
not a berber, i just hate gulfies and wanted to drag them in. do you deny the majority of ksa blacks only exist because they descend from arab men? is calling someone a nagger a big deal? everyone does it
>berbers get so angry when someone points out their elevated africaness
>most haploautist berbers enjoy having above average Taforalt
Recognizing that the indigenous African part of Taforalt wasn't SSA (hence the bad fits) isn't "getting angry".
>yemenis are just mulattos larping as arab
that's sudanese. yemenis are mixed with somalis at best, and somalis are already natufian+nilote mulattos anyway
. 75% Dzudzuana, 25% SSA.
From negroes they were supposed to get normal long heads but potato alpine serf ancestry was stronger.
>From negroes they were supposed to get normal long heads but potato alpine serf ancestry was stronger
All the nafri posts on here lately all started appearing after that Tunisian video of them hating blacks went viral…hmm
>All the nafri posts on here lately all started appearing after that Tunisian video of them hating blacks went viral
no, all the nafri posts stated to appear after you guys have decided to shit up the board with these threads about "epik nafri phenotypes"
Ummmm they got those noses from their sandnagger ancestors…
berbers got it from their farmnagger female ancestors
this is the literal definition of cherry picked. you will find more sandnaggers with the aforementioned nose shape than with this beaky nose. arabs and blacks aren’t that different
you have never seen "sandnaggers" in your life, small and girly alpine noses are a north european feature
t. Arab with a massive manly schnoz
I'm glad you've finally admitted you shitalians are Arabs but you're wrong.
this is correct, they have alpinised noses, they all talk about the square jaws, but they ignore the fact that many of them look like square jawed women because of how feminine their midfaces are
and the boy you're replying to dared to compare the girly alpine noses of north euros with the comically large noses of naggers, half of the faces of sudanid naggers are just the nose
this dude killed himself
He was killed by the pedophiles in high places
Actual berbers were pure (EEF + IBM)
Modern nafricans are bellbeaker/vandal-west african mulattos
from the nose size alone you can tell who is the student with immigrant background
imagine being a girly nosed north euro and saying something about the noses of ARABS
enough about blacks, arabs and euros homosexuals
this thread is about white / caucasian berbers of africa
>this thread is about white / caucasian berbers of africa
berbers are brown mostly caucasian
no one cares about your shitty tamazgha threads
Very interesting results, ANF and Natufian should be good proxies for the West Eurasian in Riffians, but 8.1% is still bad.
Distance: 8.1550% / 0.08155020
Clearly it's missing something, something more basal than a Natufian, but different from a SSA.
not a real sample, not on g25
why do you think they're always angry lol
reminder that iberomaurusian didnt have any affinity to negro skulls, they didnt have the genes for black skin and they had straight hair according to their snps, theres no reason for berbers to look like mulattoes or quadroons.
>they didnt have the genes for black skin
yes they had genes for black skin
>Phenotypic analysis was performed on four of the Taforalt individuals with higher genomic coverage. The Taforalt individuals tested did not carry either of the derived SLC24A5 alleles associated with lighter skin color, the derived OCA2 allele associated with blue eye color, or the derived MCM6 allele associated with lactase persistence. However, they were found to carry the ancestral SLC24A4 allele associated with dark eye color, suggesting that the West-Eurasian migrant group may not have evolved light skin yet.
the genetically similar morocco_en was also dark featured
>IAM people did not possess any of the European SNPs associated with light pigmentation, and most likely had dark skin and eyes.
>yes they had genes for black skin
no they didnt and thats not what it says it says the lacked the genes for light skin just like every other paleolithic/mesolithic eurasian population, to be black skinned lacking light skin genes is not enough you need the genes for black skin aswell. populations that lack lightskin and blacksin genes usually end up intermediate/brownish rather than black, same thing applies for whg and really most non-ssa populations of that time.
Mechtoids were dark and straight haired just like the WHGs of Western Europe, no blue eyes like the WHG though.
I think light skin there is associated with the arrival of the ANF people.
>look no different from Arabs.
Wdym both of them look much whiter than arapes
neither berbers nor lebos are arab, but all 3 are white people
Cypriots are Greeks, Samaritans are Israelites, and Assyrians are Arameanized Armenians larping as Akkadians.
>Assyrians are Arameanized Armenians
I'm lebanese and we're not arabs, we're mostly phoenicians. Some like Taleb are phoenician greco-romans.
im lebanese and we're brown arabs just like taleb
>I'm lebanese and we're not arabs
>we're mostly phoenicians
>Some like Taleb are phoenician greco-romans.
No, I like him, but he's just Phoenician. I don't know why he wants to be something he isn't so badly. We're a white Levantine people, ethnic Phoenicians, and that's fine.
You’re an arab mongrel just like him and that’s ok
Phoenicians are extinct but the people closest to them are unironically israelites
>that retarded schizo anon obsessed with berbers
I think its the self hating nafri
sometimes hard to tell apart the anti-nafris and the anti-berber 3robi mutt larpers apart, the 3robis are so mentally enslaved by arab larp propoganda theyre willing to side with anti-nafris.
I want a berber girl to sit on my face.
If I were a Berber girl, I'd sit on your face, anon.
Coastal berbers are basically : EEF (40-50%), IBM (25-35%), Steppe/yamna-like (5-15%), west african (5-10%), natufian (0-5%) and residual Iran_N/WHG
where would coastal berbers plot here, where i drew the circle?
algerian and tunisian samples are already from the mediterranean coast
>algerian and tunisian samples are already from the mediterranean coast
source? i think they're national averages, there's a lot of variations
greek islanders here
>I plot on the line between Mozabite and Sephardic. Like 60% Mozabite 40% Sephardic.
>source? i think they're national averages
no they are from the med coast
>>I plot on the line between Mozabite and Sephardic. Like 60% Mozabite 40% Sephardic.
Actually I was wrong about this test, that result was for another Eurogenes. For Eurogenes K15, the best fit is 50% Moroccan 25% French Basque 25% Yemenite israeli. But all the fits are pretty poor (>5%). You can check where that plots.
Yeah pretty much. Me personally though (Riffian), I plot on the line between Mozabite and Sephardic. Like 60% Mozabite 40% Sephardic. But most other Riffians and Kabyles would be on the line between Mozabite and Sardinian.
are you hamilcar?
>but was the Urhemait of the the Berber branch of the Afroasiatic languages already located in the Maghreb?
No it was located around the Nile Valley on the red sea side most likely and then spread westward during the early holocene; pre-proto-berber was most likely introduced by capsians but languages related to Basque/tartessian (non-IE iberian dialects) might have been spoken in the maghreb before the language levelling around the early imperial era.
The definition of a berber is a mutt raped-slave moor, obsessed with proving that southern europeans are not white and who slurps arab semen for a living.
The only difference with actual moors, their dominant masters, is that actual moors are even more black, more extremely low IQ and savage. That is considered superior culture in moorishland.
>Arabic Iraqis are Whiter than pre-Arabic Samaritans
Why and how?
The Moors are not White anyway, idk why it's a question at all.
the picture that sums up the whole thread
>Where do Amazigh people come from?
Afroasiatic urheimat, where is that is unknown.
>we don't want to be european, we are proud BERBERS
anyway i want zaddy spain to dominate my tiny berber asshole, i totally look like them and not like the moroccan arabs and they totally love me and we are white
they can pretend that they don't want to be white all they want, push them enough and the mask will always slip
nagger riffians hate spaniards this one guy does not represent us, anyways youre equally cuckolded for slurping arab cum.
hated so much that during hirak there were many protesters who carried the Spanish flag and others who said that the Spanish colonization was way better than the 3robi one
even during the revolt of 58, a Spaniard could freely cross Ait ouriaghel while a 3robi was at risk of being beheaded
>hated so much that during hirak there were many protesters who carried the Spanish flag and others who said that the Spanish colonization was way better than the 3robi one
they're called cucks, you're the cucks of morocco
>even during the revolt of 58, a Spaniard could freely cross Ait ouriaghel while a 3robi was at risk of being beheaded
yeah, the brownest europeans are still considered aryan gods among berbers, the sad state of berber white supremacists when they understand how low they score in "whiteness", you're behind even some syrian or turk when it comes to whiteness, i bet you would also prefer them to moroccan arabs
while we would punch the shit out of all these homosexuals
>you're behind even some syrian or turk when it comes to whiteness
Did you pull it out of your ass?
the absolute state of rifcucks, i can't stop laughing, they beg for french cum that was well known, but apparently some are so pathetic that they beg for spanish cum
just berber things lol
i say this while slurping on arab,makhzen,french cum btw.
funny to say that when we know that your people hosted the biggest brothel in the world (Bousbir).
Unlike your relations with French, the Spanish consider us for the most part as their equals.
>the Spanish consider us for the most part as their equals.
ahahah, they consider you random interchangeable menas and to be fair they aren't even wrong you are genetically similar to us, you pathetic cucks
funny to see a 3robi getting that angry hhh
you will never arab ya l9hwi
is a cuck for cucking to spaniards, probably and algerian false flagging.
and this one a cuck for slurping arab cuck
this comment right here is proof that you arent riffian and a falseflagger.
THEY ARE NOT OUR BROTHERS WE LITERALLY KILLED THEM
>Didn't El Khattabi collaborate with Spanish?
not in the way you think khattabi revolted against them.
>the Spanish consider us for the most part as their equals.
no they don't
Can you larp as arab somewhere else? This is an amazigh thread.
>a-a-algeria will free t-the rif, you just wait
>t-the french will free the rif, they consider us white and european
>w-well, our brothers the iberians that we totally resemble genetically 1:1 will liberate the rif, you just wait there
name a more pathetic "people", they would backstab their countrymen the moroccan arabs for a few drops of european cum
>they would backstab their countrymen the moroccan arabs
LOL, 3robis are not our compatriots, there is literally nothing in common between us either racially or culturally
And funny to talk about cum when your grandmother sucked French, Senegalese and Algerian cocks in Bousbir
stfu and take a spanish dick in the ass homosexual
let the spanish and french rape your women so you can finally became the euro rapebaby you want to be so bad while we build morocco as we always did, we build this fucking country while you did nothing and complained all the time
>yes pablo yes yes YES treat us like you treated the guanche
berber ideology in a nutshell, it's a bit of a joke but i best most riffians would love being spanish rapebabies like the modern canary islanders
NTA the cuck doesnt represent us but riddle me this how come you are arab yet dont cluster with arabs?
riddle me this first, how come you are spanish yet you don't cluster with spanish?
>riddle me this first, how come you are spanish yet you don't cluster with spanish?
did you read the first part lol? im not the cuck who likes the spanish.
now answer my question how come you are arab yet dont cluster with arabs? and why do you make fun off other larps while larping yourself?
why do you hate our identity? we are arabs with some african blood that makes us somwhat different from your average arab in the middle east, this difference is increased by the fact that mid eastern arabs have plenty of with iranic blood
also many of us have literal arab blood (some even directly from dynasties that descend from the prophet mind you)
you didnt answer my question how come you are arab yet dont cluster with arabs? and why do you make fun off other larps while larping yourself?
you 3robis are masters at deflection like neurotic hew,answer the damn question.
i already told you, the original semitic natufians are no more, the arabs in the middle east have iranic blood while we have african blood, making us divergent from each other
there's proof of this, many of us can trace our ancestry to yemen and saudi arabia and oman aristocracy that were more natufian than average
you're jealous cause your dead identity was revamped by the french while we have a rich ancient tradition and very ancient dynasties
You will never be arab, 3robi. Stop larping. Khaleejis laugh at you behind your back.
absoloutly pathethic sophistry and deconstruction of arabness where do i begin.
>already told you, the original semitic natufians
natufians predate semitics you retard
>the arabs in the middle east have iranic blood
>while we have african blood
you have berber and abid al bukhari blood mostly. and most likely patrelinally berber (e-m81). you may have minor arab admixture but not enough to make you arab you are a mutt at best please stop deconstructing arabness to justify your larp. this is worse than a brazillian pardo larping as portuguese.
youre literally no better than the guy deconstructing whiteness except youre just deconstructing arabness instead.
the original semites were natufians
the arabs in the middle east score iranic blood this is a fact, they're not identical to the original arabs, while we have some berber female and african female blood making us not exactly identical to the ancient original semitic natufian arabs
i'm not deconstructing anything
you will NEVER be european
you're a coping berber, you hate the maghrebi arabs , you hate 90% of your country because the french instructed you to do so with algerian funding to destabilize morocco
you work for algeria, you will go to any length in order to achieve an independent rif
>you will NEVER be european
sure and im completely fine with that being berber is enough
>you hate 90% of your country because the french instructed you to do so
the french supported arabism so no
>so with algerian funding
couldnt care less for alkhariya they have an arabist government aswell.
>you will go to any length in order to achieve an independent rif
im not a seperatist i just hate makhzen their mongrel dogs and arabists, i loathe the french and spanish too if that makes you feel better.
>sure and im completely fine with that being berber is enough
suuure, the mask will slip again soon, i trust that, euro worship is the focal point of berber culture
and the french support berberist causes, this has been known for a long time
they reintroduced berber identity to destroy morocco internally
>suuure, the mask will slip again soon
ive never said anything about euros youre the one bringing them up
>i trust that, euro worship is the focal point of berber culture
the focal point of berber culture is berberculture, most berbers strongly dislike the french. the zaian berber confederation for example fought strongly to oppose french influence.
>ive never said anything about euros youre the one bringing them up
you have the gall to say this after 333 posts of praising europeans
>the focal point of berber culture is berberculture, most berbers strongly dislike the french. the zaian berber confederation for example fought strongly to oppose french influence.
you dislike the fact that they don't consider you their brothers, if some european tells you that he consider berbers their brothers you would give to him all the female members of your family
we've seen how you act in front of europeans, we know what we're talking about
>you have the gall to say this after 333 posts of praising europeans
never did you must be either imagining things or mistaking me for someone
>you dislike the fact that they don't consider you their brothers
now youre sperging out a random things.
i dont care about euroshits and is ive said berbers fought strongly against euroshits im not gonna repeat myself.
>i dont care about euroshits and is ive said berbers fought strongly against euroshits
you fought only because they hated you and the moroccan arabs were backing you up
you forgot that and now you punch down and hate us instead exactly like your colonial masters hate you
> im not gonna repeat myself.
i accept your concession
why do you hate the makhzen, why do you want to see this country fail? why are you such a social and economic burden? we would probably be as rich as the emirates if it wasn't for you guys holding us back
>why do you hate our identity?
its a foreign identity trying to erase ours
>we are arabs with some african blood
no you do not cluster anywhere near enough arabs to be arab, you have minor admixture at best. this is worse than me larping as a european.
>somwhat different from your average arab in the middle east
youre not somewhat different youre very different.
> this difference is increased by the fact that mid eastern arabs have plenty of with iranic blood
>also many of us have literal arab blood
and many of us have literal european blood, doesnt make us european.
>some even directly from dynasties that descend from the prophet mind you
you're less european than we are arab, so stfu berber coper
the average maghrebi is closer to an arab than to your beloved europeans
Distance to: Moroccan
Distance to: Moroccan_North
Distance to: Algerian
Distance to: Tunisian_Berber_Zraoua
Distance to: Tunisian_Berber_Tamezret
>you're less european than we are arab
in terms of direct descent thats false in terms distance maybe but its artifical not actual closeness.
>the average maghrebi is closer to an arab than to your beloved europeans
doesnt matter the distances are still massive and independant of any arab admixture we're literally further from arabs than most south europeans probably.
so how are you arab again?
Distance to: Italian_Campania
Distance to: Italian_Calabria
Distance to: Georgian_Laz
Distance to: Armenian_Aintab
are cuacasians and south euros arab too now?
are they closer to gulf arabs than to belgians? no, i was making the point that we are closer to gulf arabs than to your beloved europeans you love to suck up to so much
we have some berber/african blood and the saudis have churka blood hence the differences, we are both equally arab
Georgians and Armenians should be closer to Saudis than to Belgians yes.
t. not him
this is not the point you fucking idiot berber, georgians and armenians would be closer to something else unrelated to gulf arabs before being closer to gulf arabs
this does not change that gulf arabs are cousins, we are equidistant from the original arabs
proof of that i that we are also close to the egyptian arabs too
>re they closer to gulf arabs than to belgians? no, i was making the point that we are closer to gulf arabs than to your beloved europeans
except i already said i dont care about europeans you disgusting sophist.
>we have some berber/african blood and the saudis have churka blood hence the differences, we are both equally arab
Distance to: Armenian_Aintab
we are far away from arabs just like armenians are because neither of us are arabs are closely related to them.
Distance to: Moroccan_North
we are equidistant to south italians, are they our cousins now?
>doesn't use purer yemenis
>doesn't use egyptian arabs
>doesn't use purer saudiB
why you lie?
Distance to: Moroccan_North
't use purer yemenis
they arent purer
't use egyptian arabs
egyptians arent arabs
't use purer saudiB
theyre closer by hair we're still talking massive distances here so whats the point? especially when the closeness is independant of arab admixture lol. youre so desperate to be arab youe deconstructing and using distances as big as 0.17158511 to prove a point. we're not close get it?
yemenis are purer and egyptians are literally arabs stfu
i already told you, we have some berber and african admixture while they have some churka J rapebaby admixture in the gulf, this is why there is distance
>the churka J haplogroup magically appeared in the gulf
that shit predates arab ethnogenesis by thousands of years you buffoon, you absoloute joke, dont know why im wasting time with you.
>dont know why im wasting time with you.
i accept your concession
you already conseeded first when you refused citations.
so based on this bs, """riffians""" are closer to Saudi than average Moroccan? Yeah sure bro sure
they are closer to moroccans
>the berber mutt tries to deconstruct arab identity between giving a blowjob to a french and a spanish
you're absolutely pathetic
remember that magrhebi comic where the riffian get cucked by a belgian dude and goes around town showing "his" white looking child as the ultimate proof that riffians are the original people of the maghreb? that sounds like reality more and more, many berbers have this mentality
literally no berber thinks like this the comic was probably made a butthurt 3robi.
>everyone is an arab now
i don't know what's worse, uncultured normies or arabists
this is a churka, unrelated to the original arabs
it's sad how berbers have been completely mindbroken by french colonialism and spanish colonialism in the case of the rif
imagine what we could have done if these psychologically broken berbers didn't identity with this meme identity