Whats up with these people? are they extraterrestrial beings? they seem kinda cool. i want to learn more about them.
Albanians
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Illyrian power.
They arent illyrians, fucking retard. Theyre from modern azerbaijan and turkey
Proofs?
Their geographic Presence in magna graecia and greece proper indicates a culture exclusively seeking out, invading, settling in greek communities and assimilating the locals
Anatolia Migration hypothesis better explains this movement than illyria theory. Namely because turkish, the other culture that came to europe from anatolia, followed a very similar geographic settlement pattern.
no
Cope larper
The assimilated people from albania are genetically close to people from surrounding regions, but the culture and language of albanians came from anatolia/azerbaijan.
Your gay homosexual homo bitch map means nothing
Delusional Serb cope.
where the fuck are germans
g*rmshits are hunnic invaders
Ah sweet a schizo retard with baseless theories
the Albania south of the Caucasus is unrelated. In both peoples' cases "albanian" is an exonym, ergo what other people call them. They were called by the same name but they are unrelated people. As you said modern Albanians are genetically just the same balkaners as everyone else in the region. Linguistically though Albanian is the only remaining Illyric language.
>only remaining illyric language
Wrong, its too close to armenian and greek to be illyrian. Plus, its dynamic spread into the south during the middle ages (in the same Pattern as turkish) cant be explained by it being an archaic culture of the balkans.
Its most likely that the greco-phrygian-armenian family had a few other unknown members, one of which being the ancestor of albanian. When the turks came to the region in the 11th century, the culture began a migration westwards (armenian did the same exact thing, towards cyprus, cilicia, and galatia). As the turks spread westwards, the albanian culture moved as well. This fleeing from turkish persecution is a strong theme in all of their national legends.
Their presence all over the ancient metropolises and mighty cultural centers of the greek world (athens, corinth, zara, naples, messina, syracuse, calabria, and epirus) betrays them as an stronger, invading, assimilatory culture that is being adopted by natives of the other culture (greek).
Plus, the illyrian hypothesis was strongly pushed by the commie regime, thereby proving it is ~~*fake*~~ and ~~*gay*~~.
The albanian people are genetically indistinct from the rest of balkaners. However, their language is a newcomer to europe from anatolia/caucasus.
I dont know why this offends albanians so badly. Hungarian has a very similar history.
>Its most likely that the greco-phrygian-armenian family had a few other unknown members, one of which being the ancestor of albanian.
I think this is probably correct.
Toponyms also point to Albanian being from further inland as opposed to the coast.
In general it's very likely there are numerous adjacent or para-groups we don't adequately know about even as late as antiquity.
Further inland means the mountains near Lake ohrid and Kosova not turkey lol.
yes, though from what i've seen mostly Kosovo/parts of Serbia
The turkish thing is just people's autism being triggered.
based on what?
serb detected
Like being from Balkans is something to be proud of
better than a globohomo westoid.
Every one look down on Balkans, Europe see it as a backward region full with gypsies, Turks see it basically as US look at South America, even Arabs and other non Europeans look down on it
Western Europe is too busy trying to pretend that gypsies aren't subhuman while Germany tries to become ethnically Turkish, England ethnically Pakistani and France Africa 2.0.
Balkans in a nutshell
>be the descendants of greeks illyrians thracians and dacians
>there's nothing to be proud of
>illyrians thracians and dacians
Live in the shadow of ancient Greeks, become basically a cattle of Romans, their lands were colonized by Slavs! lol, I mean Slavs!
it´s like if Europe was colonized by Native Americans
so how come it shares no relation either genetically or linguistically with any language in the caucasus
Biggest serbroach cope in history. Do you people actually believe that or are you pretending to be retarded?
I think they it´s because of Caucasian Albania name, to stupid to do a bit of research to realize that alba, Albania were generic Roman names for different mostly mountain regions.
>Roman inscription from Italian Alps
>From Pannonia Superior, Illyricum
Even British Isles were called Albion, Latin Albania. probably because of the white cliffs of Dover that Roman saw first
https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/travel/albania-italy-holidays-fraction-price-1800476
Apparently they're trying to push Albania as a new tourist destination. I'd like to see some of the bunkers some day at least.
Bros why the fuck do random albanian microethnicities (arberich and arvanites) keep showing up in my life?? I fucked both an italo-arberisch chick AND a greco-arvanite. Is the final boss a bitch from mount olympus or an amazon?
insignificant backwater ethnicity with zero culture while being highly individualistic mountain tribes who can't organize for shit, resulting in the most poor and isolated state in Europe
i dont think albanians have zero culture. They have a lot of culture actually, there is no such thing as tribes in albania and theyre not isolated at all.
>They have a lot of culture actually
like what?
Well actually if you read this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_culture you can see that theres quite the stuff. albanian culture is big.
>religion
imported
>arts
a painter or two
>music
imported
>inventions
none
>literature
none
>science
none
There isn't another ethnicity in Europe that has produced less than the Albanians, this is because of their isolationist tribal mountain goat herding lifestyle
Albanians might be isolated but when they unite nobody can stop them: see Skanderbeg
>religion imported
wdym imported? christianity was brought and spread in albania by the byzantines and italians, before that albanians were polytheistic.
>arts a painter or two
thats blasphemy. theres a ton of albanian painters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Albanian_painters most notably Kostandin Shpataraku who created many orthodox icons, Onufri was also an albanian orthodox painter and archpriest of elbasan a city of albania. Marco Basaiti, Helidon Gjergji etc.
>inventions none
https://qr.ae/pvwwB3 there is a bunch of inventions by albanians.
>literature none
Ndre Mjeda, Naim Frashëri, Pjetër Bogdani, Girolamo de Rada, Migjeni, Gjergj Fishta, Ernest Koliqi, Nezim Frakulla, Jakov Xoxa, Faik Konica, ismail kadare etc.
>science none
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Albanian_scientists, https://qr.ae/pvwwB3
im not saying albanians are the amazing master people but albanians are definitely not insignificant
>with zero culture
What does that even mean
>most poor and isolated state in Europe
That would be russia.
Why their girls are overrepresented in pop music
It's just Dua Lipa m8.
And Bebe Rexha and Rita Ora
who?
Dua lipa, bebe rexha, rita ora, ava max etc...
Coastal Albanians are pretty chill, mountain Albanians are savages.
Confused Croatians
Listen to Dua Lipa
White fucking naggers. Or rather whityfied Arabs, Turks or whatever the fuck these mud people from middle east. The heads are so empty it's a fucking vacuum. Never see a single one that isn't provoking an existential crisis of coexistence. Speaking of culture, having as much of it as any other "nation" that existed for more than 50 years.
They’re just Greeks who got conquered by some mountain tribe that still spoke Illyrian. They aren’t magic.
Strongest crime culture in the Balkans, one of the strongest in Europe.
Why does that guys ear look funny in the second from the top fat left picture but he looks the same in the rest of the pictures?
Got buck broken by the Turks so hard that they’re still Muslim even though they no longer have to be
they are a mix of greeks illyrians and other native balkan people
Most are northern greeks and italians. Their autosomal profile is identical to these two, see Clemente et al 2021
They aren't illyrians because illyrians had little to no iran/chg ancestry
Some look funny because they're heavily inbred. Most look relatively normal though
>Some look funny because they're heavily inbred. Most look relatively normal though
I´m pretty sure everyone here looks like models'
Anyway why are balkanites specially south slavs obsessed with looks?!
They are like those ugly sluts that wear too much makeup and criticize others, probably because while they speak Slavic they look completely different to other Slavs and look more like middle easterners.
I'm not talking about pretty or ugly, I'm talking about weird skull shape. Some have it, usually the low iq criminals
kek, you mean Dinaric head, it´s far more common among Yugoslavs then Albania
Also worth noting Lazaridis et al 2017 Minoan and Mycenaean paper
They are close to Mycenaeans, basically as close as northern greeks and northern italians
Judging by the severe lack of sea-related Albanian words, Albanians probably aren't Illyrians.
There are a lot of sea related words, also the coastlines of Adriatic were early colonized by Greeks and later completely by Romans. By the time Slavs showed up in Balkans, Dalmatia and other regions in what is now Bosnia, Serbia, etc were Latinized, those people are known as Vlachs, a lot of them were massively Slavized and make up a great part of South Slavic people.
The mountainous areas of Albania from Pindus mountains to Dinaric Alps were barely affected or settled by Rome
>There are a lot of sea related words
Nah, they use loanwords for most stuff. Breg (coast) from Slavic, peshke (fish) from Latin, varkë (boat) from Greek, etc.
>were barely affected or settled by Rome
Most of the Balkans is fairly sparse in your map.
>Breg (coast)
Buze deti is also used, Buze meaning Lips but also Edge, similarity with origin for the name of Byzantion has been theorized.
Though it´s a lot of place names that has striking similarity with Albanian.
Illyria=Ylli =Star
Dalmatia=Delme=Sheep
Carpathia=Karpe=Rock
Brindisi=Bri=Horn
>Though it´s a lot of place names that has striking similarity with Albanian.
Well I didn't say that Albanian was completely unrelated to Illyrian. A Paleo-Balkan origin seems very likely, but it probably some tribe from the inland who migrated to modern Albania rather than the Illyrians indigenous to the area.
Does it matter though, mountains of Albania like Basque areas, Wales and Scottish highlands, Caucasus etc, are more of a place where you take last refugee than migrate to.
meant refuge
When Scythians, Slavs, Huns, Germanics, Tatars, etc. are rampaging all across the lowlands, mountains are a great place to migrate to.
so vlachs are native to their regions and not wallachian migrants?
For example, albanian vlachs are native to albania but the romans latinized them?
They were semi nomadic, moving with giant heards of mostly sheep all the way from northern Greece to southern Poland, proto Albanians had probably similar lifestyle but more confined to their region. Vlachs of Albania and Greece known as Aromanians were forced to settle for good by Ali of Yannina who want to create a centralized province.