AGI is possible unless you believe in magic

It is that simple, honestly.

Unless one believes that supernatural events influence the human mind there is no reason for one to think that whatever happens in the brain can't be replicated somehow eventually.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Soulless

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      very true

      soul is created by white men and the AGI will be created by again white men.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whether or not we will manage to create AGI before we nuke ourselves out of existence is a different question. My bet is no

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you hold in girthy shits it stimulates your prostate

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is also possible that when you run at that wall at full speed, you completely disintegrate for reasons not yet known, for the atoms to go trough the wall, and then reassemble at the other side of the wall exactly like they were before

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Human will never get out of the solar system
    You can create mega AI, super technologies, but you will never get to the nearest habitable system. all that remains for you is to parasitize the nearest thousands/tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands years on the resources of the earth, sun and mars

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We have already sent probes out of the solar system. Even loading such a probe with 2023 machine learning like stable diffusion gpt etc could lead to interesting stuff.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We have already sent probes out of the solar system. Even loading such a probe with 2023 machine learning like stable diffusion gpt etc could lead to interesting stuff.

      Space exploration is atheist cope and a tax dollar scam/sink.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just like they said it was impossible to fly, go into space; etc?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Analogy is not argument

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Never heard anyone say that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I will never get out of the solar systems, but I think it is reasonable to think humans will achieve it so long as we don't kill ourselves off.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why are people worried about space right now? We have already spent 300,000 years as homo sapiens on this planet, and we aren't even near done depleting its resources. Earth is far, far from finished. You'll laugh at me for saying this but we could still have millions of years to go here.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe because there's 8 billion humans now and we've industrialised and we're using more resources than ever before with barely any signs of slowing down?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >no signs of slowing down
          Crazy how retarded Elon pillers are.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Funny you bring Elon into it when one of the biggest things he say's constantly is that there will be an upcoming population collapse and people need to have as many babies as possible right now.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So population goes down but we still need to go to Mars ohh and by tbe way we cant even get to the moon. Cool story bro literally nothing that man says is worth repeating.

              They crash cars less often than humans.

              According to Tesla only. The cars are not self driving, they require a driver. Until they don't require a driver they are driver assistance tools and that is GAY since driving is fucking easy.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Thirdies are already breeding like rats, so I imagine the message is directed at Europeans and perhaps the Japanese, aka the only ones with potential to become an interplanetary civilization.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > with potential to become an interplanetary civilization

                Imagine unironically thinking and posting something this Reddit, ever

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It will happen eventually. Not in our lifetimes but 500 years from now? Absolutely.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It’s not thinking it’s possible that’s Reddit, it’s caring a lot about making it happen.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't have to "care a lot" to believe that the lack of any movement is a bad thing, and there must be at least some development being done towards it. Believing that it must happen ASAP because of Global Warming is Reddit. Musk spending spacex resources to just get a foot in the door isn't Reddit at all. It's necessary.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why do you want a heckin interplanetary civilizationerino? Why can’t we just have a normal Earth-sized one?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because I don't want third worlders like you to keep living on and ruining my planet any further

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                By this logic, you could just get rid of Thirdies on earth. You didn’t answer my question.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Could I? How? Developing an interplanetary civilization is unironically more likely than that happening and you know it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because it's necessary for the survival of mankind. If you aren't growing, you're dying.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There are unlimited resources, retard. We grow more trees than we cut down. Advances in nuclear energy are made nearly every month. We'll be fine. The only reason to NEED space is in the event Earth is destroyed by an astronomical disaster. Not because we'll run out of room.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >barely any signs of slowing down
          It's slowing down so hard that they're actively trying to import the third world to fill the gaps. Every major industrialized nation has, or incipiently has, a native population decline. The current system cannot maintain itself without a pool of nearly slave labor.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The human parasite myth is debunked. Humans improve their environment; they don't degrade it. Over a long enough period of time, the wealthier any group of people get, the better their environment becomes.

      Go look up how many more trees we have now versus the year 2000. Then look up the number of people in poverty.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I already got outside with astral projection. Cope harder LULZ entists. Some teenager acomplished more through the soul than you will in another thousand years.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are enough resources in the solar system to live very comfy for millions of years

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is a supernatural soul. AGI is possible. Whether it will have a soul or not is very hard to say, but that it will be intelligent is indisputable.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I believe in "above matter phenomena", and I don't necessarily see how that procludes artificial consciousness.
    The vast majority of ""humans"" aren't conscious; ergo, it is entirly possible to create entities that pretend to be "alive", despite all of "their" "decisions" being autonomous and axiomatic.
    Likewise, a person could easily argue that computers, and electricity in general, are a subset of magic - a digital therefore homunculus doesn't sound too outlandish.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AGI is impossible with silicon
    Cope

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hopkins are developing organoid intelligence. It’s over

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The question is not it is impossible you idiot. The problem is that retards overhyping the shit of recent AI and ML memes and have no idea the massive software and hardware hurdles that we have to overcome .
    It is flying cars meme for zoomers and younger generations.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >AGI

    had to look it up. is this the new meme word for ai since the word ai got stolen by chatbots?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its just moving the goal posts. I'm pretty sure selling the forever pipe dream is just a tactic to sink money into related tech which is useful but just funding us another 5 years wer're so close forever

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >AGI

        had to look it up. is this the new meme word for ai since the word ai got stolen by chatbots?

        AGI has been a term for fucking ever

        The Turing Test is an early example of a test for AGI, and that's been around for over 50 years you retards

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >with the understanding that if the interrogator is unable to correctly identify... the computer has thinking ability comparable to a human's

            fucking AGI, you retard

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kys

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    After reading Wolfram's A New Kind of Science, I'm conviced we're capable of creating the illusion of AGI with brute force techniques
    But true AGI won't be possible until we begin using biocomputers (heresy) or some other new form of processing. You cannot accurately represent the brain in an efficient manner using binary machine code as a base

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nigga, you don't know shit.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >random guy on LULZ solves the mind body problem
    Wow. Really impressive. Just. Wow.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Gender_Institute?useskin=vector

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >t.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is well
      (It is well)
      With my soul
      (With my soul)
      Unison:
      It is well
      It is well
      With my soul
      >has sex and lots of kids and raises them right and is admired by SOCIETY
      >becomes the standard for SOCIETY
      >went his whole life without mentioning that we live in a society despite being pestered by it by his Enlightenment peers

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what if it's unfeasible to simulate

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So the "Yes" alternative might be impossible, because that might for example lead to recursion (who controlls the concious controlling the councious)? Is this just a "homunculus falacy"? If, so then it's a informal falacy and not necesarily true.

    What do you call a statement without any proof? I'm very sleepy, so maybe I just can't see your reasoning, but as the OP it should be required to give a bit more information (not just harvest the replies in this thread).

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fundamentally possible does not mean practical. Biological neurons have features which we cannot replicate. They physically change and grow, physically making new connections, our artificial constructs are rigid and unchanging.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Biological neurons have features which we cannot replicate. They physically change and grow, physically making new connections, our artificial constructs are rigid and unchanging.
      Then we just make biocomputers, lol.
      There's already some research into growing small clumps of brain matter that can be used in computing.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Then we just make biocomputers
        That is one step away from just outright breeding slaves. A biological computer with human level intelligence would never be permitted.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >never permitted
          WRONG
          https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/02/world/brain-computer-organoids-scn/index.html

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thats a handful of cells. I am talking about something of real intelligence. A big chunk of brain tissue.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >would never be permitted.
          Why, because it would be "immoral"? As if that matters in Clown World circa 2023, let alone 20-50 yrs from now?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not only will it be permitted: it will be perceived as a necessity. And I will be running for office as a human supremecists to codify in law that no robot should be given human rights no matter how intelligent or emotional they get.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Just make bio computers lol
        I'm going to murder you

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The problem with "AGI" is the proponents of the concept follow similar cult like thinking like new age wackos, ultra religious zealots and other groups.
    It's so called transhumanist movement who believe AI to be a panacea to all sorts of societal problems.

    This doesn't mean what we now describe as AGI won't happen, it very probably will but it won't fix the economy or society or lead to a overabundance.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why not?

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    two questions:
    1. is it possible create a 100% working artificial biobrain?
    2. is it possible to create an interface where it directly writes to a biological brain from a digital input?

    if those two are answered then you got an early working prototype for AGI

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i dont know enough about the brains constitution and digital input to answer these yes or no, so i am agnostic

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Except that assumes that technology will improve exponentially with zero limitations. I personally think there are physical limitations to technology so I think agi is impossible.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Actually AGI is even possible if you are a retard. Simply cut out 1000 human brains and with sufficiently advanced technology wire them together.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Unless one believes that supernatural events influence the human mind there is no reason for one to think that whatever happens in the brain can't be replicated somehow eventually.
    The human mind is self evidently a metaphysical phenomenon.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Slipsimp

    How believing in the paranormal doesn't make you believe in AGI?
    Its more like AGI would prove the paranormal since everyone would know that its all fake.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Agi is possible but highly unlikely. Market incentives to create AGI are marginal in comparison to brain to computer interfaces and further augmentation of existing human intelligence.

    I would even argue that people who believe in plausibility of AGI tend to percieve science and engineering as some sort of nu-magic, spells and formulas are uttered and we shit out materials and energy out our ass.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Angels, demons, souls
    Yes.
    >Werewolves, black magic, mystical energies
    No.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >souls yes
      >mystical energy no
      explain yourself retard

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What the fuck are even mystical energies? That's too general a term.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How can you believe in a soul without mystical energy to sustain it is what I mean.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Souls are outside reality, or rather, is reality experiencing itself. You can't recreate it with a machine, but it's not "mystical energy".

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ohh I am sure AI will come around and we will still debate about the hard problem of consciousness.

    "AI" is just a silicium neural network
    while the human brain is a carbon neural network.

    If souls attach to a human brain, maybe the universe also grants them to silicium NNs.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The whole "Stable Diffusion reading mental images" is a bit panick inducing among the computationalism community

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.11.18.517004v2.full.pdf

    - There is a topological binding between qualia experiences and brain states.

    - There is still no indication of how qualia is "made", only some hints under which conditions it occurs. Even when you build the system "from the ground up"

    It's not at all what was imagined.
    What now?
    What a shitshow.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Qualia is and has always been the biggest cope in philosophy.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay. Explain consciousness, smartass.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ITT OP is a homosexual retard, good bait though.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Do you believe in paranormal?
    Yes
    >Do you believe AGI is possible?
    Yes

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lol, they cant even get it to drive a car without a human help and you think we will replicate a phenomenon that we can barely articulate?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They crash cars less often than humans.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Take out the human outliers who crash every car they get and it's not really close. AI is better than retarded humans but not better than capable humans.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    now switch the results and you have an accurate photo

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ahhh, "it will happen eventually" fallacy. Humanity doesn't have limitless time, nor limitless resources nor limitless potential so even if AGI can be created there's no guarantee we will create it.

    And there's "if" because currently we have no idea how AGI should work.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That is complete bullshit. AGI is completely orthogonal to supernatural phenomena.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Our "brand" of intelligence cannot be fully replicated without a corporeal form. AGI has no reason to fear death or seek reproduction, so it doesn't have the motivation to form our type of intelligence. The intelligence it generates will be entirely based on mathematical formulas and will be incomprehensible to us.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wrong. Even if unknown phenomena influence the human mind that doesn't mean we can't create machines that can also be influenced by such phenomena.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Perfect argument and anime girl

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Of course AGI is possible; we're just not even remotely close and won't be in your lifetime.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dont believe in ANGELS
    I dont believe in WEREWOLVES
    I dont believe in KENNEDY
    I dont believe in JESUS
    I dont believe in BEATLES
    I just believe in MEMES

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >AGI is possible unless you believe in magic
    Why is that the case? Who's to say that angels and demons aren't just time traveling multidimensional AGIs.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      2001 Space Odysee style Space Buddha ghostnaliens

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AEHOO MACUMBA PORRAAA EXU CAVERA

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >somehow eventually
    These words are doing immense amounts of work for you.
    It's not necessary for brains to be doing something supernatural for it to be impossible to accurately simulate them in silico. It's just necessary for them to not be Turing machines. There's also no guarantee that the human brain can be improved on in any significant way--the most efficient way to build a human-level intelligence could very well turn out to be the old-fashioned way.
    More importantly, there's no reason to think that the current preferred methods in AI research will ever get you anywhere near a brain.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the most efficient way to build a human-level intelligence could very well turn out to be the old-fashioned way
      Evolution does not strive to create the most optimized version of something; the human body, for example, is filled with flaws and bad design. Instead, evolution tends to aim for 'good enough' or 'this feature is better than the one your predators have, so you will live. It is pretty silly to think that the best/most optimized way of creating intelligence was through natural evolution, and that "human intelligence" is the best we can achieve. Especially considering all the flaws in the other parts of the human body that we can clearly see.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        "Intelligence" is a human concept, not an attribute hidden away on some cosmic RPG character sheet. To quote Albert Einstein "if he's so smart, why is he dead?" You could already call computers of the 90's more intelligent than humans if you wanted to; they can certainly calculate things more accurately faster. But could they survive an angry kid with a whiffle bat? All of these things that we create that seem so permanent are just tools that persist because we actively maintain them. Evolution is pretty damn good at creating things which are good at existing because that's just math. So until your little sci-fi AI revolution happens forgive me for not being too impressed with their "intelligence."

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Evolution is pretty damn good at creating things which are good at existing
          *die in a cosmic blink of an eye

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You insist that your individual experience is the correct level of analysis. Life, as a phenomenon, has persisted for a significant chunk of time, even on a cosmic scale.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It is pretty silly to think that "human intelligence" is the best we can achieve
        True. Look at crows: different brain, way denser neuron packing, the mind of a 3yo kid with a bean-sized brain.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Your implication arrows go the wrong way retard.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I believe in all those things on the left, but also in many others. Most importantly, gnomes.
    And God of course.

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What the fuck is AGI
    Advanced Graphics Interface?
    Airbus Goes International?

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We can't create AGI because people will just keep moving the goal posts for AGI indefinitely.
    What people actually mean when they say "AGI" is "human-like AI", even if you create an AI that's better at everything than humans, people will just say "but it ain't human doe"

    And we probably won't be able to replicate the human brain from scratch any time soon, because it's not some intelligently designed system, it's hacks and bodges on top of hacks and bodges and you need to account for a trillion edge cases

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      even if you create an AI that's better at everything than humans, people will just say "but it ain't human doe"
      Nobody will say that. Unlike what artists say, people don't care with "human doing something", they care with the final result.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Theoretically possible does not necessarily imply practical application.
    AGI may require insurmountable amounts of energy/resources kinda like intergalactic travel so it's completely impractical.

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are the two mutually exclusive?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because op is a fag

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