>guys we can totally find massive reservoirs of hydrocarbons without a fossilized source rock!
>w-we just haven't found any yet because of those evil hecking oil companies who keep drilling into those exceedingly rare biotic reservoirs
is this the dumbest (conspiracy) theory in geology?
all the incredients are there alongside high temperatures and pressures.
Stick a catalyst in there boom diggity, you got crude well beyond fossil remains
The abiotic theory claims that most oil is of inorganic origin. Thus far almost all discovered hydrocarbons can be tracked to an organic origin. Certainly hydrocarbons can form without organic carbon in the right environment, but it seems those kinds of conditions are rare enough on Earth to be insignificant.
I'm not sure what your pic related is supposed to prove exactly.
Abiotic oil was the assumed theory since it took over the whale oil market in the 1800's. It just poured from rocks, hence the term 'rock oil'. The term fossil fuel didn't have its origins in the laboratory, but in the marketing departments of the seven sisters to give the impression of artificial scarcity to rebuff their monopoly position
so they didn't know oil was of organic origin back in the 19th Century, cool. Oil still pours "from rocks" like it did back then. Maybe there was conscious marketing shenanigans in the term "fossil fuels", still that is besides the point and does not prove the abiotic theory true
That's all nice and good but the issue is that it's not possible as of yet to drill that deep, nor would it be economically or technically feasible to do so anyways. For all practical intents and purposes, ALL discovered, discoverable and recoverable oil on Earth is of organic origin.
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Except those oils found inside inpenetrable rocks, of course
Was going to mention this. It becomes less paradoxical when one realizes that all "environmentalism", not to mention the theory of there being such a thing as an "environment" to being with (which is merely a retrospective interpretation of the whole Phenomenal as a primordial market), was fabricated by the people it allegedly opposes. See also: "animal conservation" as we know it today was founded by big game hunters.
>Thus far almost all discovered hydrocarbons can be tracked to an organic origin.
How do you confirm that, exactly?
here's how I understand it: conventional hydrocarbons migrate from the source rock and form reservoirs underneath geological traps (or fuck off to the mantle, or evaporate to the surface, or disperse). Not all crude oil is the same though, and it can vary in gravity, viscosity, pH, etc. and by studying its chemical composition geologists can reference the migrated oil with the source rock and confirm that the oil has indeed originated from there. Source rock is in large part consisting of phytoplankton biomass.
>Source rock is in large part consisting of phytoplankton biomass.
or rather, contains large amounts of phytoplankton biomass. It's still mostly rocks of course
apparently there are also lots of other evidence of biological origin you can find in oil including optical activity, carbon isotope depletion, presence of porphyrins, and certain biomarker molecules
https://www.encyclopedie-environnement.org/en/life/oil-evidence-biological-origin/
Thomas Gold and other deep biosphere researchers have debunked this by proving that oil-eating bacteria are the origin of those biomarkers.
sounds like there is correlation, but is there causation? Meaning, which came first -- the organic oil, or the bacteria? Note that that does not disprove biogenic origin through evidence derived from the source rock phytoplankton traces in source rock. The evidence seems to just keep stacking in favor of biogenic origin while abiotic conspiracy theorists keep grasping at straws
>sounds like there is correlation, but is there causation? Meaning, which came first -- the organic oil, or the bacteria? Note that that does not disprove biogenic origin through evidence derived from the source rock phytoplankton traces in source rock. The evidence seems to just keep stacking in favor of biogenic origin while abiotic conspiracy theorists keep grasping at straws
You managed to steamroll past the entire point of my post just to self-affirm your worldview. If you're interested in actually learning why oil contains biological contamination I suggest reading The Deep Hot Biosphere since it was written for laymen like yourself.
You missed the entire point anon. There is no "original" organic oil. The organic component comes from the organisms that evolved to feed on geologic oil. Geologic hydrocarbons must have come first because they're proven to exist in vast quantities outside of Earth where no life exists.
>There is no "original" organic oil.
prove it. The presence of extremophile bacteria feeding on oil is not proof that the oil is abiotic.
>Geologic hydrocarbons must have come first because they're proven to exist in vast quantities outside of Earth where no life exists.
there is no doubt that abiotic oil indeed occurs even on Earth. That is not in dispute. The abiotic theory postulates that hydrocarbons occur predominantly from inorganic sources on Earth, yet the exact opposite is the case.
>yet the exact opposite is the case.
Unproven conjecture with no basis in reality. All existing geologic evidence shows that hydrocarbons intrude on buried organic layers from below, which is why fossils are prolific within coal seams. You may argue that some forms (like coal) are composed of a mixture of biological detritus and abiotic hydrocarbon intrusions, but not that they originate from life.
>He doesn't know about carbon isotopes
Samefagging and gaslighting belong on
You belong on reddit fuck you
Your tone indicates that you are experiencing an emotional outburst. LULZ is for rational discussion of scientific truths, not emotional and angry rationalizations. I suggest you take a long break to calm down and only come back once you're prepared to meet the standard of the board.
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>He said, unable to provide sources for his batshit claims.
I named sources and you didn't read them. You'll deserve more effort when you put effort in yourself.
Nope. You posted no sources. You just made unhinged claims and got butthurt that you were expected to substantiate them.
Gaslighting belongs on
This board is for good faith research only.
The irony. "Good faith" would mean posting a source, you schizophrenic.
atheists don't know what faith is, atheist have no faith, they don't understand faint, nobody ever taught them and they never bothered to learn. atheists are faithless and unfaithful
>Still no sources
>More schizodribble
You're like a parody of a real person.
>Unproven
proven by carbon isotopes
>All existing geologic evidence shows that hydrocarbons intrude on buried organic layers from below, which is why fossils are prolific within coal seams. You may argue that some forms (like coal) are composed of a mixture of biological detritus and abiotic hydrocarbon intrusions, but not that they originate from life.
nonsense
No such thing ever happened. Take your meds.
Who are you quoting?
abiotic oil conspiracy theorists.
Can you point out the one you are responding to? Because it sounds to me like you just started an abiotic oil thread.
>thinks oil comes from dinosaurs
lol
lmao
aquatic lifeforms moreso, actually
>Human current usage * age of the Earth = we should be drowning in oil.
Ok, age of the Earth is a bit disingenuous since the claimed process for abiotic production does go back that far, but how far back is it claimed to have started? Now multiply that by current usage and you still get an amount of oil that would be quite obvious everywhere. I did the cocktail napkin math years ago and it was something like a twenty foot layer of oil covering the Earth. But if you subscribe to Young Earth Creationism and think the Earth is only 6000 years old, then maybe it works out fine.
Both theories are retarded.
Biotic oil fags can't understand the apparent "who came first, the chicken or the egg" question
Abiotic oil can't understand there must have dead plants been multiple times the plants we have today. Unlike humans tho, as human population has raised exponentially just recently.
>Biotic oil fags can't understand the apparent "who came first, the chicken or the egg" question
elaborate, and prove how the fact that almost all oil found to date can be dated to an organic origin is retarded to you. The issue isn't whether both organic and inorganic formations can't happen, it's what's so much more common than the other
Biotic oil fags think carbon comes only from atmosphere and organism that was NOT carbon based, suddenly turned themselves into carbon based lifeforms.
Abiotic oil fags think carbon comes also from crust and organism that were carbon based, i.e. organism pre-dating plants, turned themselves into atmosphere carbon-using based lifeforms.
>Biotic oil fags think carbon comes only from atmosphere and organism that was NOT carbon based, suddenly turned themselves into carbon based lifeforms.
what? No they don't
If all carbon was in the atmosphere as CO2, how could the first creature have carbon inside it?
speak English in a way I can understand please.
Where did the first ever carbon using life-form get this carbon, huh?
From the molten rock of the Earth when it was forming. But that does not have a bearing on either the biotic or the abiotic oil theories, and I'd wager not a single biotic theory advocate would argue otherwise either
So there actually was carbon in the molten rock. But not hydrogen, huh?
there is hydrogen too, but as you may be aware gaseous hydrogen mostly occurs as hydrogen sulphide in trace amounts and in association with hydrocarbons. There is no question that oil can occur both biotically and abiotically, but the issue is that abiotic theory advocates insist that oil occurs predominately in an abiotic setting on Earth when all evidence suggests otherwise.
The evidence is gathered from near the surface,where indeed is carbon based lifeforms. Of course there is mostly biotic oil here. When they start finding oil in depths of 50km to 100 km then they begin to find excuses, failing.
Fuck off you retard piece of shit.
>Unlike humans tho, as human population has raised exponentially just recently.
Is this mofo implying that humans are the future oil reserve?
It is as dumb as non-god theory on the create of life on earth, where it was all mineral and volcanic discharges. If lightning is responsible for fusing C H O S into much complex compounds on the surface of the earth the hyperbolize it to self replicating molecule, then why can't coal, and carbonate, hydrate, hydroxide containing minerals release these elements to form just organic compound in enclosed high pressure and high temp furnace that is the mantle?
>then why can't
I'm not saying abiotic oil cannot occur. It can, and does. But the abiotic theory postulates that oil on Earth is predominantly abiotic, which it is demonstrably not. Oil exists almost exclusively as a result of organic compounds exposed to high pressure and temperature over time. Maybe if we were to drill deep enough we might find some abiotic hydrocarbon deposits but that's pure conjecture.
Oil is the residue of the everburning souls at the center of the Earth.
Definitely.
But as we know there are 8 billion people and its a statistical certainty that you'll get at least 1 that is retarded enough to believe such nonsense and spout endlessly on the internet about it.
hydrocarbon fuels are found on lifeless planets and in gas clouds in space, there is no logical reason to insist that they have to be of organic origin on earth. the only reason the idea that anyone would insist that they're of organic origin is that they're a big oil shill trying to push the oil scarcity rumor in order to justify high oil prices.
The organic origins of oil never made any sense to me. Like how those dead organisms found themselves so deep underground? And no way there was so much life on earth to facilitate for all that oil. It's bullshit.
Your intuition is correct. If plate tectonics is accurate, which we have little reason to doubt, there is no way for prehistoric plants or plankton to reach the deep crust where oil is known to exist.
It's pretty fucking hilarious considering the composition is exactly identical to the biotic pressurization composition of modern trees. Even down to the soluble sulfur content.
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