A while ago, I saw a lecture from a UCLA professor who said that the Sinosphere was actually extremely peaceful (like one or two wars over the course ...

A while ago, I saw a lecture from a UCLA professor who said that the Sinosphere was actually extremely peaceful (like one or two wars over the course of a thousand years). The conflict between East Asian countries began when the West started to interfere and introduced their ideas about international relations. Do you think this is true?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The countries rarely fought each other directly and instead constantly had insane civil wars and rebellions, Chinese history is basically Warhammer

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Chinese history is basically Warhammer
      Isn't the empire in a constant state of warfare with chaos and the other races in both WH40k and WHF?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You can consider that to be the steppeBlack folk

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Kowtowing formed an order.
    Monarchs avoided playing an active hand at various points, as a failed policy could be pinned on them and dishonour the institution

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Technically he's right I guess. But a lot of the time they we're preoccupied by potential peasant revolts, barbarian invasions, and preventing famine and catastrophic floods. Also Mongolia shouldn't be considered a Sinic culture at all.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Extremely peaceful
    >Builds a wall 1000 miles long because Mongolians are actual psychopathic chaosmongers who won't leave you the frick alone

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    > The conflict between East Asian countries began when the West started to interfere and introduced their ideas about international relations.
    Yup. Just ignored yellow turban rebellion, warring states, 3 kingdoms period, barbarian kingdoms period, nurchen invasion, mongol conquest, imjin war, manchu conquest, sengoku oeriod. Your professor is a $oy slurping libshit.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >all wars are just civil wars wich happen every few hundred years

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Prof defined war as war between nation states and then made the brilliant point that proto-nation-states at that time barely went to war. This is the power of cleverness. Making nonsense points through convoluted, non-intuitive reasoning.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes he is sort of correct. Compared to European & Middle Eastern conflicts, wars between East Asian states were relatively few.
    >Japan vs. China
    Tang intervention in Korea.
    Maaaybe the Yuan invasion of Japan (Japs blame the Mongols for the war, the Chinese don't consider it very much as well)
    Imjin War
    1st Sino Jap
    2nd Sino Jap/WWII
    >China vs. Korea
    Han invasion of Gojoseon
    Cao Wei's invasion of Korea
    Sui-Goguryeo War
    Tang Silla Wars.
    Yuan Invasion of Korea
    Maaaybe Zhu Yuanzhang's stay in north Korea.
    Qing Invasion of Korea
    Korean War
    >Korea vs. Japan
    Silla vs, Yamato Japan war.
    Anti-Jap Pirate Raids (big Maybe)
    Imjin War
    1st Sino-Jap War
    Annexation of Korea.

    This, however, ignores the tonnes of civil wars within China/Korea/Japan, and SteppeBlack folk were a constant source of conflict.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Technically he's right I guess. But a lot of the time they we're preoccupied by potential peasant revolts, barbarian invasions, and preventing famine and catastrophic floods. Also Mongolia shouldn't be considered a Sinic culture at all.

      https://i.imgur.com/PRLFR5V.jpg

      A while ago, I saw a lecture from a UCLA professor who said that the Sinosphere was actually extremely peaceful (like one or two wars over the course of a thousand years). The conflict between East Asian countries began when the West started to interfere and introduced their ideas about international relations. Do you think this is true?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Lushan_Rebellion
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Suiyang
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Salsu
      morons

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Sogdian Barbarian mutt
        >Sinosphere conflict
        No anon, you're the moron

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The An Lushan Rebellion is a literal civil war and I mentioned the Sui-Goguryeo War

        illiterate.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Damn these are literally all the battles you'd know from watching youtube videos and browsing r/historymemes

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >suiyang
        redditor spotted
        go back

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Song China was constantly at war with the Liao and Jin dynasties

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This isn't even history, it's just math
    There's how many countries in Europe?
    But even by your broadest definition, there's what, half a dozen East Asian countries?
    Of course they have civil wars instead when almost every ethnicity is part of China

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Did he know about the Manchu conquest?

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The Sinosphere (minus Japan) was about as peaceful as the Roman Empire, and for the same reason. When China was unified it had no real peers (usually). It used small amounts of military force to manage frontiers which were set by logistical considerations (the Tang managed Uyghur remnants and the Eastern Han managed the Xiongnu, much like how the Romans managed their borders with the border legions), and had to deploy greater amounts of military force if a strong power suddenly emerged beyond the frontier, until that power collapsed (such as the Xiongnu, Tibetans, Gokturks, Uyghurs, Khitan Liao, and Northern Yuan when it was having a good day for the Chinese; Dacia, Marcomanni, Sassanids, Goths, and Huns for the Romans). Usually the actual state was not under immediate threat. And in both states civil wars occasionally occurred and were the worst thing that ever happened to anyone.
    Now, the difference is that China was cursed with more powerful adversaries than the Romans were. No adversary of Rome ever got Rome to declare their vassalage, as Xiongnu did to Han and Khitan Liao did to Song. Nor did Rome ever get conquered in a war. It shed territories to many different barbarian groups and then got toppled by its own barbarian mercenaries. The Mongols and Jurchens succeeded where the Huns totally failed. In addition, Chinese civil wars were generally longer and more destructive.
    So yeah, the sinosphere was relatively peaceful, but it wasn't as peaceful as Rome, and it did have frequent conflicts.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Chyna is muh Rome

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Prove me wrong

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Rome was a failed broken China actually

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Prove me wrong

          China is a shithole no one cares so shills must compare them to Rome for muh revelant

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            comparing China to Rome is a bit of an insult to China, actually. Rome only lasted several centuries. China is a literal 2,000-year Reich.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Except it still exists and has continuity for over 4000 years. While Rome only lasted for 1000 years and is a dead society wannabes hark back to in order to derive some shred of legitimacy for their wannabe empires.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Rome is dead and irrelevant. China has existed for 4000 years.

            Stop posting
            /thread

            Rome is literally the most long-lived empire in history. Cope more
            >but muh 4000 years
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_empires

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Japanese empire??

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            China is the second most powerful country in the world. At least.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            how do you define powerful?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            People take their government's interests into consideration for no other reason than that they are the Chinese government's interests and they're worried about how the Chinese government might react to their actions.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            countries will always weigh whatever decisions they make against how other countries will react.
            that's not an indication of power it's just how the world works. you think india is more powerful than the US because they got america to waive sanctions on them after they bought s-400's from russia?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            No, but the sheer volume of the influence China exerts indicates power.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            you think china exerts more global influence than the UK france or germany?
            I don't really see the "sheer volume" of influence at all.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, they do. The UK is rapidly declining into irrelevance. France and Germany have spheres of influence but no one truly cares what they think outside of them. China is a superpower that exerts influence worldwide.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            are you chinese?
            there's no way you could be this delusional without having massive bias.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            *tips 50 yuan*

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            If china is so great then stop leeching off Canada Wu

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            China isn't great to live in. It's powerful; there's a difference.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            And their chairman just got dabbed on by a israelite granny. No one cares for the sloppy second.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Countries just fought internally...
    People will still fight for control over "the world", but "the world" might be smaller than a continent.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Inferior complex. Like how people say “you might not know but this actor is the tom cruise of china” not “omg he is the ping pong ling long of murica”. Try harder.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Who said anything about acting, you raging, unstable schizoshart?

      What did the mutt mean by this?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Cause it’s always “CHYA IS THE ROME OF XYZ”.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Rome is dead and irrelevant. China has existed for 4000 years.

          Stop posting
          /thread

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    comparing China to Rome is a bit of an insult to China, actually. Rome only lasted several centuries. China is a literal 2,000-year Reich.

    Ywnbaw

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >The Roman empire actually was extremely peaceful. Sure they had shittons of civil wars but those don't count. And yeah they were constantly invaded by germanic tribes but those weren't like nation states so it doesn't count either. Really they only had a couple wars with the parthians and that was it.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Your professor is full of shit.
    >UCLA
    That's the problem.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >like one or two wars over the course of a thousand years
    And those two wars led to 12 gorillion dead, 14 quintillion cannibalized

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