>A bearded man in the sky is watching your every move, and you will be set on fire forever if you break one of his arbitrary rules
This reads like paranoid schizophrenia
>A bearded man in the sky is watching your every move, and you will be set on fire forever if you break one of his arbitrary rules
Falling into your wing while paragliding is called 'gift wrapping' and turns you into a dirt torpedo pic.twitter.com/oQFKsVISkI
— Mental Videos (@MentalVids) March 15, 2023
theology has nothing to with psychoanalysis, the latter of which is propagated by those who outright despise Christ.
What do you have against psychoanalysis?
People keep calling him a schizo and telling him to take his meds, I guess.
It's israeli
So is your God
>christian god
>israeli
Hebrews who accepted Jesus as the Messiah are Christians. Hebrews who rejected him are israelites.
read this one:
you worship a israelite raised by a cuck
>Actually getting triggered by that
kek
>my attention span can't handle reading more than 10 words
>left wing memes have a lot of words
>right wing memes have a lot of buzzwords
Are "kill naggers" buzzwords?
Yeah
here's a "left wing meme" for you buddy
Psychiatrics are the bastion of quackery in the modern era. Medicine is based on science, but the human psyche is so variable it defies science. The "science" is based on societal norms defined by the lowest common denominator. Thusly, psychiatry strives to force psyches that are deviant into the norm, without regard to whether or not those psyches are superior, which many of them are. They do this with drugs and psychology meant to glorify self-delusion over acceptance of reality, neither of which are natural or godly.
>They do this with drugs and psychology meant to glorify self-delusion over acceptance of reality,
Delusional thoughts are a target to be corrected in therapy. You’re not qualified to discuss this topic.
You wouldn't be able to appreciate psychoanalysis anyway. Pearls before swine and so on.
lmao psychoanalisis is a bad meme that conceals itself as science
It turned out that the swine are the Christcucks!
No wonder Nero tried to eliminate these nutcases.
Ave Nero. The first tranny imperator
>Simon Peter said to them: Let Mary go forth from among us, for women are not worthy of the life. Jesus said: Behold, I shall lead her, that I may make her male, in order that she also may become a living spirit like you males. For every woman who makes herself male shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Why do Christians project so hard?
Ahh, is that why he was mad? He wanted to chop his peen off and become a real woman?
Yes, jesus was driven mad by his latent gender dysphoria.
>gospel of Thomas
come on man, at least try
Religcucks are fucking retarded. Especially the self-righteous asshole christshits who post here.
It's not complicated, just don't be a dick.
can any christians answer why this seems okay to them?
or was this changed later, i'm only up to this part.
Any deity that asks me to chop off a bit of my natural body to "prove" a covenant with him is stupid and doesn't deserve my worship.
Why create me with the flesh I have but then ask for it back when I need it? It's not even a theological problem, it's just retarded made up rules by people.
Bumping this, asked a christ bro and he said the pharisees edited this, is this true?
In the OT they would get circumcised as part of the old covenant. We don't do that know in the New Testament
you dont think its pharisee homosexualry? you think god really asked that of abraham?
You're just retarded
Because it is schizophrenia
>and you will be set on fire forever if you break one of his arbitrary rules
ORLY?
Does God Send People to Hell?
I'm not giving your youtube channel views. Type out the relevant information manually.
Hell is more in the nature of a *state* than a *place*. It is the state of *willful separation from God*, or else the state of *active, eternal, rejection of God's love*; which, inevitably, leads to suffering because God is the source of our being and of all that is good. In other words, hell is the natural result of sin, which is the very opposite of God's will.
Hell was not a pre-existing place waiting to be populated. Hell was created by the fall of the angels, when they separated themselves from God.
If anyone sends us to hell, then, we send ourselves there, put ourselves in that state of separation, through the choices we make. Because we are, in the end, the sum and substances of the choices we make.
As C.S. Lewis puts it in his books The Great Divorce and God in the Dock:
>"It's not a question of God 'sending' us to Hell. In each of us there is something growing up which will of itself be Hell unless it is nipped in the bud."
>"There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, in the end, 'Thy will be done.' All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell. No soul that seriously and constantly desires joy will ever miss it. Those who seek find. Those who knock it is opened."
Let me add, the video is worth watching. It's very well done. I link to it because of its quality, not because I have anything to do with it, which I don't.
Sounds new agey and satanic.
It literally exists in orthodox theology it's way older than most of the catholic dogmas.
No it doesn't.
Hell is never referred to as anything but a lake of fire where your worm dieth not and there is a wailing and gnashing of teeth
It's always funny when christcucks ignore that their god is supposed to be first mover and the uncaused cause, then blame all misfortune and suffering on shit like "the fall of the angels"
their god is supposed to be first mover and the uncaused cause
Well, he is that.
> then blame all misfortune and suffering on shit like "the fall of the angels"
God could have restricted Himself to building perfectly beautiful, clockwork machines that run for eternity (come to think of it, the universe is rather like that perfect clockwork, isn't it? pic related), but he chose to create creatures with free will. Ah, free will -- there's the rub, and also the wonder of it. That is, how God can bring good out of evil. Felix Culpa, doncha know. O Happy Fault, and all that jazz.
Can you tell apart a person with free will from a so-called clockwork machine
I think so -- although it must be acknowledged that human freedom is a theological mystery, as Flannery O'Connor once pointed out, pic related.
How could you tell apart a person with free will from a so-called clockwork machine
Human beings have free will. Clockwork machines don't.
It should be noted that our freedom is a gift of God. It is one of the ways in which we are made in the image and likeness of God.
And then he threatens us with eternal Hell if we use the free will he gave us in a way he doesn't like.
If you choose to separate yourself from God, God responds: "Thy will be done."
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiYf6ITgWbk
And:
Why do christcucks always link youtube videos instead of actually typing their own shit and having authentic discussions on forums? Atheists are never like this, for example, nor are people of other religious faiths. Always lazy christcucks.
Summary here:
>Why yes I created free will so I can send people to hell when they do something I disagree with. How did you know?
uhuh yeah sure whatever, but how could you tell apart a person with free will from a so-called clockwork machine?
>but how could you tell apart a person with free will from a so-called clockwork machine?
Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail?
Res ipsa loquitur (the thing speaks for itself).
If you cannot even distinguish a person with free will from a clockwork automaton, then how do you know free will exists?
But I can so distinguish.
Will you tell me how you can tell apart a person with free will from a so-called clockwork machine, or will you just insist that you can do so?
How can you not tell them apart?
What the assumptions you are bringing to this discussion? Are you a determinist, perhaps?
>How can you not tell them apart
Well you see, not being able to answer the question "how could you tell apart a person with free will from a so-called clockwork machine" is how WE can't tell them apart.
So anyway, how could you tell apart a person with free will from a so-called clockwork machine?
OH HOW I WISH
HOW I WISH YOU WERE HERE
WE'RE JUST
TWO LOST SOULS SWIMMING IN A FISH BOWL
YEAR AFTER YEAR
So what I'm getting from this post is that there exists a power outside of god and that god is not omnipotent.
Not sure where you're getting that from.
Your answer is very common among christians and it's honestly pathetic. There's nothing in the bible that talks about muh free will or anything. No, the unrighteous will burn because the israeli demon that you worship will send people there.
>It is the state of *willful separation from God*
Well, then answer this smartass: why do most church fathers believed unbaptized children go to hell? A fucking embryo goes to hell and according to you he willed that, even though it didn't even have a brain. Lol. Check and mate.
>we send ourselves there, put ourselves in that state of separation, through the choices we make.
Bullfuckingshit. WE send fuckers to fry on the electric chair, they didn't "send themselves". Our justice is our responsibility.
>C.S. Lewis
Poor man Tolkien that only converted because of grief. His apologetics are weak, but dumbasses like you swallow it up
>Your answer is very common among christians
Yes, because it is the answer, broadly speaking. Not necessarily an emotionally satisfying answer, admittedly. Too, the Bible certainly talks about human freedom -- although not in the manner of a philosophy textbook, of course.
>why do most church fathers believed unbaptized children go to hell?
That's not accurate. Augustine is the only Church Father to even suggest this. It was certainly never the teaching of the Catholic Church.
Here's a quick rundown of the view of the Fathers in the matter of unbaptized children: https://taylormarshall.com/2018/01/concerning-death-unbaptized-infants-st-gregory-nazianzus.html
>Bullfuckingshit. WE send fuckers to fry on the electric chair, they didn't "send themselves". Our justice is our responsibility.
You're not understanding the dynamic that's actually in play here. I tried to explain it in a prior post, and it's developed at greater length in the video I linked to.
Typing a long paragraph doesn't make your point look stronger.
>Hell is more in the nature of a *state* than a *place*. It is the state of *willful separation from God*, or else the state of *active, eternal, rejection of God's love*;
Well according to that measure I’m in hell right now and enjoying life a lot more than most of the furious bitter Christians here lol
Hell is pretty nice actually
You're not happy if you harbor hate or disdain in your heart. A happy atheist is an atheist who doesn't care about religion and lives his life according to his means, clearly we still live rent free inside your little head.
This does not feel like hell to me little guy :^)
>Hell is pretty nice actually
So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from hell
Blue skies from pain
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?
Did they get you to trade
Your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change?
Did you exchange
A walk-on part in the war
For a leading role in a cage?
hey fuck you i already quoted that song as a response
One good quote deserves another.
okay big man
pig man
haha, charade you are
I am slowly reading it, but if you want to give up on trying to help that's fine
make a better thread, retard.
lol
All in all you're just another... you know the rest, anon.
yes the worst song on that fucking album
Best guitar solo, however.
no, that goes to empty spaces
>mfw I’m in hell on a bed in an air conditioned room watching a storm outside
The suffering is immense help me please
>2022
>New-age protestant churches now claim that Hell doesn't exists because their gay-tranny followers feelings got hurt
This is fucking heresy. Go to mass and pray for your soul your history rewriting heretic.
He literally is though.
>A bearded man in the sky
why don't atheists call themselves anti-Christians
A bearded guy in the sky is hardly uniquely Christian.
Your skydaddy isn't that special.
Id prefer no label just like we don’t have one for people who don’t believe in fairies, goblins, monsters and elves
Because Christianity isn't the only form of brain rot afflicting humanity
>Tranime Image.
Ignored.
because it's a strawman made by reddit immigrants like you
I don’t think it mentions him having a beard but yeah op has got it. Gods watching and he’ll send you to hell if you don’t follow rules. Real primitive stuff and delusional stuff if you live in the modern world with our modern knowledge
No, he doesn't. None of you reddit immigrants have even read the Bible, you just parroting what you've learned from popculture and memes.
I was taught this in church and I got his appearance from the Bible in Daniel and Ezekiel so..
Then your church was apostate and you're illiterate.
Nope, both catholic and Protestant churches both teach you to follow gods orders or go to hell, even if that’s accepting Jesus as your lord and savior.
Ezekiel and Daniel both describe god as having long white hair and white robes so he has a physical appearance.
You’re just mad and lashing out.
You moved goalposts with your first reply to white knight your fellow discord tranny OP and now you're moving them further. You're also projecting now lol.
>I'm a scoffer, debate me!
I can, but you never listen so I'm just going to make you retards squirm and kvetch. The Bible is free, you can freely access it online and on your iTard devices right now, you can freely learn, but instead you come here to "own the christian chuds" from your gay little discord groups and your subplebbits and demand debates while making it obvious you refuse to learn.
Actually there is a reason to stop. Both in the OT and in Christ's teachings. You'd know this if you ever read the Bible. But again, you losers just get your religious education from popculture and memes and hollywood cartoons. So I just laugh at you.
>You moved goalposts with your first reply
No
is right and still my position. Damn you’re mad
>I'm just going to make you retards squirm and kvetch
Comically unchristlike.
>you just parroting what you've learned from popculture and memes
>I ask for an original argument for Christianity I haven't heard before
>calls me a bad word without any argument
They really are the worst people.
Tell them what they're saying that's wrong then, with direct scripture quotage
I have, many times, fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Then keep doing it, there's no reason to stop helping out the few that might be listening
He can’t it’s just seething and coping as Christians do.
"We" don't want your goddamn scripture! Stop trying to shill your 2,000-year-old Urgent Good News. "We're" already aware of what's in your fucking "scripture" and it's been drummed into our heads since we were kids, and we're goddamn sick of it! You'll make few friends other than other Christcucks here. I really wish I could say that "Your day is Done!", but there are millions of you ignorant lunatics out there, and unfortunately it's going to get a lot worse because the Hard Times are swarming season for ordinary Christcucks, and your Christcuck Nationalists smell the blood in the water!
Christians are actively being singled out though
I'm not from Reddit. It's possible to use LULZ and not believe in Christianity.
>you just parroting what you've learned from popculture and memes
Please give me your own original argument for Christianity that I haven't heard other Christians repeat thousands of times already.
What did OP get wrong? Is god actually a impersonal force rather than a personal deity? Do you actually disperse into nothingness or reincarnate rather than go to hell? Or maybe god isn't the source of morality, and there exists an objective morality outside of god?
He’s just flipping out anon. Op is right and that guy is just trolling because it’s all he has left. He can’t defend his beliefs because they’re indefensible, he’ll just complain and namecall like a little kid with shit in his pants
Why don't you study the scriptures instead of asking to be spoonfed. Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime.
No matter what correction I could post, you scoffers will reject it because fools despise wisdom and instruction. So get back to studying instead of shitposting if you actually want to learn.
lol
Lol such a shitty attitude, what a terrible representative of a religion.
lol, make a better thread next time discord trannies
Schizo moment
lol
lol, now you bear false witness
Okay...so anyways, can you post the scriptures stating that god isn't a personal deity, that hell doesn't exist and that morality doesn't come from god?
lol, you still bear false witness
I think you're conceding that OP was actually correct all along. I accept your concession on OP's behalf.
Oh, so you're going back to your discord group and subplebbits? Good, maybe you can make a better thread next time
No, I'm actually very comfortable here. Infact, you are the one which seems to have a problem with this board, and LULZ in general. Perhaps you will fare better with these alternatives, while I stay here and enjoy your concession 🙂
>>>/x/
>>>/qa/
>>>/b/
I’m not joking anon he’s mentally ill. He literally thinks you’re part of a trans conspiracy against him.
lol, more schizo false witness babbling.
Sometimes schizophrenics don’t remember what they just said or did
lol, you're still raging
ywngth. Seethe.
lol
but seriously, make a better thread if you want someone to teach you.
I accept your concession.
lol, you just keep raging and projecting your mental instability too
I’m not the one who thinks people that don’t follow my religious beliefs on the internet are part of a trans conspiracy against me.
Your mind is not sound.
it's funny that mental illness and meds are constantly on your mind
but keep digging, your thread was garbage from the start and you're only making it known you're a scoffing fool not worth anyone's time
Mental illness is on my mind when I’m talking to you because you believe everyone in this thread disagreeing with you is part of a trans conspiracy against you.
Which is very mentally ill.
religious people have a statistically lower IQ than atheists
lol, look at these newfag losers still raging.
Do you have an argument or...
An argument against what, your little cryboy newfag tantrums? lol, you should've lurked for 2 years before posting
>christcuck argumentation
No anon I’m well aware Christians on LULZ are severely mentally ill and think trans people are conspiring against them, I’m making it hurt for you.
lol, you are illiterate and a newfag tourist who doesn't know anything about this site, you should've lurked moar LGBT weirdo
Thanks for proving me right
I accept your concession
Just pointing out that you think people who disagree with you are part of a trans conspiracy which is a red alarm flashing for schizophrenia.
You’re not supposed to stop taking your meds anon..
So...can you post the scriptures stating that god isn't a personal deity, that hell doesn't exist and that morality doesn't come from god?
He cant he thinks your part of a transgender conspiracy against him. Schizophrenia is no joke.
lol
I’m not surprised that Christians have paranoid schizophrenic meltdowns on this board, but I am surprised the more mentally well Christians don’t step in to calm them down
Xtians have paranoid schizophrenic meltdowns, because their God is a paranoid schizophrenic!! Basically "God", accordingly is three personalities in One. The OT YHWH has even more strange personalities, like parts of Enlil, Enki, El, and Mot (Ba'al's mortal enemy/brother) all in One!! He was forcefully divorced from his Asherah, made sexless, denied most of His Mythology, and He lost His Divine Council! It's no wonder that He has a bad attitude!!
And now for something completely different.
Oops. Here's a proper version.
>man suffers a psychotic episode
>christcucks enable and validate his psychosis
religion is a mental disorder.
>Psychotic episode
Gives up immense wealth to serve Christ as a priest for the next 40 years of his life.
Crazy, just like St. Paul, eh?
>Psychosis is a condition of the mind that results in difficulties determining what is real and what is not real. Symptoms may include delusions and hallucinations, among other features. Additional symptoms are incoherent speech and behavior that is inappropriate for a given situation. There may also be sleep problems, social withdrawal, lack of motivation, and difficulties carrying out daily activities. Psychosis can have serious adverse outcomes
Sorry, but that has nothing to do with someone who lives a disciplined religious life, as both of the Ratisbonne brothers did after their conversion.
...On the basis of a psychotic episode
You're just being silly.
I'm silly for not enabling someone else's delusions?
Silly.
It's well-documented.
A well documented anecdote is still an anecdote, silly boy.
It's history, anon.
it's anecdotal, silly billy
See:
I agree. You are silly.
Simply google the word Ratisbonne, my skeptical friend.
I did. It's tragic how a man suffered a psychotic episode in public, and in his time of need people gaslit him and enabled his psychosis.
You're just being silly.
And yet none of the many accounts, including secular accounts, include even a whisper as to mental illness.
Yet you imagine that mental illness is somehow present. Who then is the delusional one, anon?
>the pro-christian accounts don't include things that would contradict the position it is trying to push
Really?
>the pro-christian accounts don't include things that would contradict the position it is trying to push
https://www.israeliencyclopedia.com/articles/12591-ratisbonne-alphonse-marie
See:
Do you ever get tired of copy and pasting links? Have you ever felt the urge to have an organic and authentic discussion?
Clearly not
I seem to be interacting with two people wrt Ratisbonne. Neither is providing thoughtful responses, nor responses that smack of the organic and authentic, but rather rote, reddit-style retorts and snark. It takes two to tango, anon.
You are unable to provide counter-arguments to their responses, instead choosing to shout them down by restating your position ad infinitum. Because of your behaviour, the discussion cannot progress organically. A very pathetic display from you. Silly, even.
I've provided direct counter-arguments, which are ignored. You dismiss the account, on vapid grounds ("psychotic break"), as you presumably dismiss every other kind of evidence for God or Christ or Christianity. It is truly like trying to interact with a brick wall, with the exception that brick walls are blessedly silent and do not repeatedly strain to respond with lame, flatfooted "zingers."
You have provided nothing which proved that it wasn't psychosis.
>It is truly like trying to interact with a brick wall, with the exception that brick walls are blessedly silent and do not repeatedly strain to respond with lame, flatfooted "zingers."
Projection
>anecdotal evidence is evidence
I flew a dragon to work. Not that I need it since I can fly when no one is looking.
You are talking to a presumably secular person. You don't think that you first have to tell him why his secular perspective cannot adequately explain the account? I guess christians really do have brain damage after all...
>You don't think that you first have to tell him why his secular perspective cannot adequately explain the account?
The account speaks for itself. You insist on reading psychosis into it, where no one else does, including secular accounts, such as the Wikipedia* or israeli Encyclopedia articles (this latter not especially known for "pro-christian accounts that don't include things that would contradict" Christianity; thus by simply posting that, do you see how I refuted the comment I was responding to?). This business of him being mentally is your private obsession, that you've conjured from your imagination and not on the basis of any evidence; your repeated iteration of the claim is *not* grounded in reality, i.e., in the well-established public record that chronicles the lives of the Ratisbonne brothers. Consider by comparison the son of General Wm. T. Sherman, who became a Jesuit priest, to the elder Sherman's dismay. But then he left the Jesuits after suffering a nervous breakdown. Yes, the poor man had mental problems. It was a matter of public record. A sad case, but not something I would try to deny or prevaricate about. There is NO record of either of the Ratisbonnes having mental health issues, however. On the contrary, both lived long, stable, productive lives.
* See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie-Alphonse_Ratisbonne
And: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie-Th%C3%A9odor_Ratisbonne
Note that there is no "Controversy" section in either of these articles, nor any discussion of mental illness in either of the brothers.
*business of him being mentally ill
>You insist on reading psychosis into this account about a man having a psychotic episode
>You're actually supposed to read a miracle orchestrated by the christian god, ultimately proving the truth of jesus and christianity.
I accept your concession.
Nah, you're immune to rational argument, anon, and incapable of making a viable counter-argument, that's what the fedora image signifies.
How many people have you successfully converted by calling them irrational nd posting outdated memes?
Billions
>most sane christcuck
You keep pressing a lame argument, although I have repeatedly refuted it. That is not only extremely tiresome, it is the very definition of being immune to rational argument. You have repeatedly insulted me. You're not acting in good faith. You are acting, rather, like a classic "fedora."
Because I'm only allowed to read it as a miraculous event which proves christianity, specifically catholicism, true, despite that also not being read into by secular accounts like wikipedia. That is the only correct interpretation. Of course.
You can read it any way you want to, anon.
But the mental illness interpretation is simply not consistent with the evidence of Ratisbonne having lived a long, stable, productive life.
Firstly, psychotic episodes does not absolutely exclude people from living a productive, stable life. Secondly, the miracle interpetation is not applicable unless you start with the premise that catholicism is true, which itself does not even exclude psychosis anyway. Rational individual that I am, I'm going to go with the explanation that doesn't require supernatural intervention and a belief in magical skydaddies.
*tip
I accept your concession.
*tip
I accept your concession
That's basically how all christians apologetics function. You have to start with the premise that christianity is true to reach the conclusion that christianity is true, otherwise they autistically screech at you for interpreting things incorrectly (read: inconveniently).
Another fedora heard from.
It must be so frustrating to be surrounded by fedoras. Makes you want to go back to your tradcath discord, right?
The fedora population on LULZ has definitely increased in 2022 -- why, I don't know. But it is to the detriment of attempts to have any kind of a thoughtful or interesting discussion of religious matters -- many of which can be found in the LULZ archives, btw. The fact of the matter is that fedoras are a drag; everyone thinks so except the fedoras themselves. Not that I'm tearing my hair out over this; it is what it is.
>Fedoras are such a drag, they are always contradicting my points instead of just accepting jesus into their hearts and converting to my religion.
>christcuck
>rewriting history
& humanities was a mistake
>why, I don't know
I don't know about the rest of the atheists here, but I didn't post much about my criticisms with religion until you retards turned the history board into the religion board.
>funny hat
This isn't an argument and it's retarded that Christians think this is some automatic win for them when they have nothing else to say.
No, it's not an automatic win, it's simply an accurate description-by-meme of the dynamic in this thread.
>lose
>call people a hat tipper
>run away
>engage another poster
>repeat
Like a broken scriptbot
>There is NO record of either of the Ratisbonnes having mental health issues, however.
In your own infographic, he was hounded by fanatic christians desperate to convert him to such an extent that he would purposefully plan his timetable in such a way as to avoid or otherwise minimise contact with them. That would constitute mental duress.
see:
see
How many people have you successfully converted by referring to other people's psychotic episodes? Even spamming Aquinas would be more effective, no?
>The account doesn't mention mental illness. Therefore, it cannot be mental illness.
We need a /rel/ board.
>anecdote
Who are you quoting?
We lost Greek mythology, Roman mythology, Norse mythology, Celtic mythology, Slavic mythology, Egyptian mythology, Mesopotamian mythology, Zoroastrianism, Mesoamerican mythology, Incan mythology, and North American mythology for this shit.
Christianity is heavily influenced by Greek thought.
Christianity has a definitive link to schizophernia.
Makes perfect sense. israelites invented Christianity.
Nope. Wrong. What you call "hallucinations" are actually messages sent directly from god, jesus and probably mary too. Unless it supports a different religion, then it is a hallucination/fabrication/the work of the devil.
As oppose to black holes and quantum physics?
>but evidence exists to prove their existence
doesn't make it any less ''crazier'' you pretentious sexually degenerate midwit.
That's because it IS paranoid schizophrenia!!!!!!!